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New Type of Dark Energy Could Solve Universe Expansion Mystery (nature.com) 63

Cosmologists have found signs that a second type of dark energy -- the ubiquitous but enigmatic substance that is pushing the current Universe's expansion to accelerate -- might have existed in the first 300,000 years after the Big Bang. From a report: Two separate studies -- both posted on the arXiv preprint server in the past week -- have detected a tentative first trace of this 'early dark energy' in data collected between 2013 and 2016 by the Atacama Cosmology Telescope (ACT) in Chile. If the findings are confirmed, they could help to solve a long-standing conundrum surrounding data about the early Universe, which seem to be incompatible with the rate of cosmic expansion measured today. But the data are preliminary and don't show definitively whether this form of dark energy really existed.

"There are a number of reasons to be careful to take this as a discovery of new physics," says Silvia Galli, a cosmologist at the Paris Institute of Astrophysics. The authors of both preprints -- one posted by the ACT team, and the other by an independent group -- admit that the data are not yet strong enough to detect early dark energy with high confidence. But they say that further observations from the ACT and another observatory, the South Pole Telescope in Antarctica, could provide a more stringent test soon. "If this really is true -- if the early Universe really did feature early dark energy -- then we should see a strong signal," says Colin Hill, a co-author of the ACT team's paper who is a cosmologist at Columbia University in New York City.

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  • If at first you don't succeed just add more dark matter to the equation like epicycles to the Ptolemaic motion of the planets.
    • Dark energy and dark matter are two different things. Dark matter is some form of matter that weakly interacts with other particles, save, so far as we can tell, through gravity. Dark energy, whatever it is, is what appears to be causing the increased rate of expansion of the Universe. It may be part of space-time geometry, or it may be in fact be a new kind of fundamental interaction. But the alternative is what exactly? To throw out theories like GR which have survived pretty much ever test ever thrown at

      • I'm not saying it's aliens. . . but it's aliens.
        • I'm thinking maybe it's from the spirit world.

          Well, maybe not, but it would explain a lot.

      • To throw out theories like GR which have survived pretty much ever test ever thrown at them?

        Pretty sure GR doesn't support the notion of simultaneity, but simultaneity has been demonstrated at the quantum level. So GR, at best, doesn't always apply....

        • by jbengt ( 874751 )

          Pretty sure GR doesn't support the notion of simultaneity, but simultaneity has been demonstrated at the quantum level.

          Citation needed. No really, if that's true, I'd like to understand (though I doubt I'd get a good understanding).

          • It's true. We know quantum mechanics and general relativity are incompatible on many numbers, including simultaneity which holds for QM but not for GR. You can google "why is general relativity incompatible with quantum mechanics" and get a wealth of hits, with explanations ranging from the highly technical physics pro to grade school. Pick your level of difficulty. :-)

    • Not to mention this isn't a peer reviewed paper. Did Slashdot post it here so commenters can crowd source peer review it?
      • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

        > so commenters can crowd source peer review it?

        Why not? It's how we decide complex issues like vaccines. Now we can extend it to astrophysics. I'm still waiting on where my favorite Hollywood celebrity sits before I make a decision on this "dark energy" though.

        • Hollywood's opinion might depend on if dark energy is gluten-free and free of animal products.
          • I want to find out what the effect is on Nikki Minaj's cousin's friend's testicles before I buy into this.
          • For a gentleman are several rules he should consider in a civilized conversation:
            a) avoid politics
            b) don't make jokes about people with gluten-allergies
            c) don't make jokes about people who speak bad english - after all they speak a second language

            Not so sure why a) is so important to the Britts ... but I hope you get the hint with b)

            • Wow you really missed the point; the joke is not about people who have gluten allergies. The joke is about pretentious Hollywood that insists on gluten free food when they do not have gluten allergies.
            • c) don't make jokes about people who speak bad english - after all they speak a second language

              And especially when they're Americans speaking it as their first language

      • Yes because we are all qualified to understand the topic, the field, and the data instantly especially if the researchers used pie charts in their papers.
      • Peer review is way over-hyped. Remember the honesty experiment? Passed peer, based on fabricated data. There are many more (mostly in sociology, but also in hard science - papers on fusion come to mind).
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Peer review isn't supposed to detect fraud. It's supposed to filter (some of the) stupid.

          Replication detects fraud, error and luck.

    • by JoshuaZ ( 1134087 ) on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:13PM (#61804877) Homepage
      Sometimes adding something to a theory because it makes the math work out turns out to be correct though. Positing the existence of a planet to explain the orbit of Uranus turned out to be correct rather than throwing out Newtonian gravity. Neutrinos turned out to be the right idea with subatomic particles rather than throw out conservation of momentum and conservation of energy. That second one happened even though people at the time thought that they might *never* be detected and pushed back as a result. But it took only a few decades to detect them, and now we can even map neutrinos from supernovas. That something helps make a model give good predictions is not a reason to throw it out by itself.
    • add more dark matter to the equation

      There is no dark matter or dark energy in any equations. That is what the physicists mean by "dark". That they have equations for *regular* matter that we see and touch and feel, but the equations are off of what we observe by a factor of X. What is causing that X? We don't know. Instead of calling it "we don't know", we just call it "dark"

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      It's dark circles all the way down! (Maybe some eye-cream would help.)

  • by Bengie ( 1121981 ) on Friday September 17, 2021 @01:15PM (#61804891)
    I was watching one of my fav youtube PHD physics people and they mentioned that our measurements of Dark Energy might be wrong because we might be located in an anomalous area in the observable universe, which would result in heavily biased measurements.
    • But that rests on a complex scenario to be proven to exist first. To me it sounds like the arguments creationists make on how they resolve their 6,000 year age of the Earth compared to stars being millions of light years away: "Well, light could travel faster in one direction and not the other."
      • But that rests on a complex scenario to be proven to exist first.

        You just described theoretical physics.

        • No I did not. Theoretical physics includes The Standard Model and General Relativity for which there is a large amount of evidence.
    • In every other measurement we make, the Universe is remarkably homogenous. In fact, Inflationary Cosmology came into existence because of the observed homogeneity of the observable universe, which requires significantly more parameters to be "just so" with standard Big Bang cosmology. So to declare that we happen to be in an abnormal region of the Universe essentially goes against a half century of observation, and strikes me as a bit of special pleading to get around what appears to be the reality; that th

      • Far more than half a century. We've spent the better part of a millennium slowly knocking Earth out of any special position vis-a-vis the universe. At this point, that's a pretty hard hypothesis to start with, requiring extraordinary data to support.

      • The Universe is homogeneous at scales larger than 250 million light years, that doesn't mean that there can't be local variations otherwise solar-systems, galaxies and galaxy-clusters wouldn't exist. Not that I agree with the poster about us being in a "special region," there is little reason and no evidence to believe we are or that they even exist, however anomalous regions don't automatically run counter to homogeneity at large scales.
  • Cosmologists have found signs that a second type of dark energy -- the ubiquitous but enigmatic substance that is pushing the current Universe's expansion to accelerate -- might have existed in the first 300,000 years after the Big Bang. From a report:

    I'm sure the astrophysicists can argue long and eloquently for the existence of dark matter and dark energy but somehow this stuff still always has a 'phlogiston' vibe about it.

    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      It is kinda the inverse of phlogiston. In the case of phlogiston, it was a philosophically rooted idea that they then searched to find measurement to support. In the case of dark energy and dark matter, they have measurements they are trying to find a reason for.
  • By that, when I say universe, I mean space where direct observation is possible in terms of light, that is the classic observable universe.

    If you have a very, VERY large space, you can have multiple 'big bang-like events happening a large number of times, overlapping, so far apart that no light that happens in one is observable in the others before entropy makes all traces of them unobservable - making each a separate observable universe in the same big space.

    In most ways, this would act like the universes

    • This is the concept underlying eternal inflation, that different regions of a much larger space exit inflation at different times, but because of the expansion of space, those "bubbles" are too distant from each other for any kind of communication (by which cosmologists mean any exchange or interaction of fundamental interactions). But as you say, the overall much larger space would still exist by a common set of physical principles. The first big test of all this will be finding primordial gravity waves wh

  • that each joule weighs over 10000 joules
  • by Oligonicella ( 659917 ) on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:43PM (#61805775)
    and String Theory will work!!!
    • Your joke has been outdated for a quarter-century! All the different String theories (with varying number of dimensions) were proven to be just limiting cases of a single theory with 11 dimensions (10 space 1 time), the so called M-theory.
  • by kbahey ( 102895 ) on Friday September 17, 2021 @09:01PM (#61806089) Homepage

    Subir Sarkar [ox.ac.uk] is a professor of theoretical physics at Oxford. He has done important work is providing evidence that the expansion of the universe is not accelerating.

    Instead, he is saying that there is a dipole effect because earth, and the galaxy cluster that we are in, are all moving in space, and that gives the effect of accelerating expansion.

    He provides compelling evidence (for a non-specialist at least) for what he says. He also casts doubts on the evidence for acceleration by analyzing their data (supernovae as standard candles, and their red shift), since a dipole effect is observed on that.

    Watch his lecture at Oxford [youtube.com], or his shorter talk with Sabine Hossenfelder [youtube.com] (no slides though).

    If his findings hold up to scrutiny, this will lead to the Nobel Prize for that acceleration being no longer true.

    This is exciting, since it removes one mystery about dark energy. More importantly, it shows the rigors of the scientific method.

  • What we know:
    there are many unknowns in our astronomical models: the age of the universe, dark energy, dark matter, as well as the 'missing' matter... which is regular baryonic matter that we observe in quantities smaller than we expect.

    What we are slowly finding out:

    Black Holes:
    Conditions in the early universe had unexpected wrinkles and consequences. Micro black holes and impossibly large (based on current models) black holes both unexpectedly formed, and galaxies may have formed earlier than expected as

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