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What Lies Beneath Jupiter's Pretty Clouds (nytimes.com) 56

For something that was to have been done and thrown away three years ago, NASA's Juno spacecraft has a busy schedule ahead exploring Jupiter and its big moons. From a report: The spacecraft entered orbit around Jupiter on July 4, 2016, and has survived bombardment from intense radiation at the largest of the solar system's planets. It is now finishing its primary mission, but NASA has granted it a four-year extension and 42 more orbits. Last week, it zipped past Ganymede, Jupiter's largest moon. "Basically, we designed and built an armored tank," said Scott J. Bolton of the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, who is the mission's principal investigator. "And it's worked." Jupiter is essentially a big ball of mostly hydrogen, but it has turned out to be a pretty complicated ball. The mission's discoveries include lightning higher up than thought possible, rings of stable storms at the north and south poles, and winds extending so deep into the interior that they might push around the planet's magnetic fields.

"I think this has been a revelation," said David J. Stevenson, a professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology and a co-investigator on the mission. Juno's highly elliptical path, pitched up at almost a 90-degree angle to the orbits of Jupiter's moons, passes over the planet's north and south poles. On each orbit, Juno swoops in, reaching a top speed of 130,000 miles per hour as it passes within a few thousand miles of Jupiter's clouds.

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  • by Ostracus ( 1354233 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:03PM (#61493268) Journal

    The mission's discoveries include lightning higher up than thought possible, rings of stable storms at the north and south poles, and winds extending so deep into the interior that they might push around the planet's magnetic fields.

    Some of the dynamics of a proto-sun without the sun.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Jupiter would need to be much, much larger than it is for it to be even close to the point where the fusion fires would ignite. A proto-star, it is not.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Jupiter would need to be much, much larger than it is for it to be even close to the point where the fusion fires would ignite.

        Yeah I'll bet if we dropped your mom in it Jupiter would ignite.

      • by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:56PM (#61493656)

        Jupiter would need to be much, much larger than it is for it to be even close to the point where the fusion fires would ignite. A proto-star, it is not.

        More specifically, it would have to be much more massive to be a star (13X to become a brown dwarf and fuse deuterium, 80X to become an actual star). However, the physical size of all brown dwarfs is roughly the same as Jupiter, since adding more mass just increases the density.

        • by ghoul ( 157158 )
          Drop a little neutron star in and you got a star. Now we just need to find the aliens who use mini netron stars as space ship engines and steal one of their ships..
    • by RockDoctor ( 15477 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:58PM (#61493436) Journal
      Well, to a degree. (BTW, have a Meaningless Bonus Point for the first worthwhile First Post I've seen in I-forget-how-long.)

      Jupiter is around 1/70th of the size (mass) of the smallest possible nuclear-burning body, so it's a long way to extrapolate from Jupiter to an actual proto-star. But on the other hand, it is the closest such body there is close enough for detailed study, so it's six versus two-threes.

      Real low-mass stars have spectral lines indicating the presence of unusual compounds such as titanium dioxide in their atmospheres, indicating that some interesting chemistry and physics (turbulence, mixing) happens between Jupiter-mass and ignition-mass. So it's not a straight extrapolation.

  • From 2017... [phys.org]

    Now, find those monoliths and HAL 9000 and then tell me about it.. ;-p

    • The second monolith was on Iapetus, which is a moon of Saturn. Kubrick's legendary attention to detail didn't extend to getting the right planet.
    • I thought we already knew this?

      Easy, killer; Msmash wasn't even alive in 2017 (obviously still isn't but that's another story). What I didn't know was the following:

      ...winds extending so deep into the interior that they might push around the planet's magnetic fields.

      If anything, it's just the opposite [wikipedia.org].

  • Jupiter's mighty magnetic field is of interest because it should be possible to use it to harvest antimatter. I wonder if these findings help confirm or deny that possibility?
    • I think you need to be a bit more detailed in your linkage of these two concepts:
      • - Jupiter's mighty magnetic field
      • - harvest antimatter.

      Jupiter's magnetic field may be very big, and contain a lot of energy. But that is not the same at all as being particularly powerful. At 417 microTesla (at the equator) it's about 10 time as strong as that of Earth, but a tenth of the strength of a fridge magnet. I don't detect a huge amount of gamma radiation from the annihilation of antielectrons produced by my fridge m

      • by hawk ( 1151 ) <hawk@eyry.org> on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @02:35PM (#61493596) Journal

        >I don't detect a huge amount of gamma radiation from the annihilation of antielectrons produced by my fridge magnets.

        you clearly don't understand what *actually* happens when you open the door and light comes on . . .

        • Are you sure the light goes off when you close the door?

        • I removed the bulb to stop the bacteria from writing slogans against me. I understand all to well that they are in there, plotting to kill me. The price of security is eternal vigilance.

          And only opening the fridge door while holding a UV lamp.

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @01:21PM (#61493306) Journal

    What Lies Beneath Jupiter's Pretty Clouds

    It appears to be a paywall.

  • Stuff. Lots and lots of stuff
  • Since they deliberately put such a crappy camera on Juno we donâ(TM)t have any good idea of cloud structure on Jupiter.

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      Radiation resistance isn't easy, the "crappy camera" was the best compromise between radiation hardening, image quality, and processing/storage capabilities of the spacecraft. Unfortunately because of the way Congress budgets they had to go with the one originally spec'd rather than replace it closer to launch time with an improved version. That's what comes from letting lawyers and accountants manage an engineering program.

      • The same thing is happening with the Psyche Probe which is using a not-even-HD old camera from the 2000s that even the manufacturer marked as "obsolete" years ago (Kodak KAI-2020).

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