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Impossible Foods Is Now Developing a Plant-Based Alternative To Cow's Milk (gizmodo.com) 181

From a report: There's a myriad of reasons to replace cow's milk with alternatives like nut milks, oat milk, or soy milk, but for those who enjoy the experience of consuming animal-sourced dairy products, the alternatives just aren't the same. So Impossible Foods, makers of the Impossible Burger and other plant-based meat alternatives, are working on another food replacement that looks, tastes, and behaves like cow's milk. During a virtual press conference this morning where Impossible Foods revealed it was doubling the size of its Silicon Valley-based research and development team over the next year while also launching what it calls the "Impossible Investigator project" to entice leading scientists to contribute to its cause, the company also gave the world its first look at its new plant-based cow's milk alternative that hasn't yet been dubbed with a catchy marketing name. (Although you can probably safely assume that Impossible Milk is an option being considered.) Like the company's flagship Impossible Burgers, Impossible Foods' new milk alternative is made with stable proteins sourced from plants. The idea is that it not only properly mixes with other liquids (like hot coffee) without forming precipitates that can alter the texture and drinking experience, but that it can also be whipped into a foam and used as an ingredient in other food products without having to modify a recipe as is often required with other substitutes.
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Impossible Foods Is Now Developing a Plant-Based Alternative To Cow's Milk

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  • Impossible Foods needs a better name.
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      How about 'Ridiculous Excuses For Food'?
    • by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary&yahoo,com> on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:57PM (#60628726) Journal

      Inconceivable Foods?

      Spurious Comestibles?

      I Can't Believe It's a Food?

    • Indeed, since it exists it should be "Possible Food" or for the more cynical "Possibly Food".
      • Its simply "Food" translated by their lawyers, who didnt want to use the word at all but the marketing department found a solution.
  • by olsmeister ( 1488789 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:56PM (#60628716)
    Cow's milk is already made exclusively from plants.
    • That's right. Cows are handy, mobile, grass-to-milk converters.
      • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:35PM (#60628890) Homepage

        Factory farming of cows to make milk has a huge environmental impact.

        • There is an interesting end game here

          Yes, CAFOs (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) have a huge impact on the environment, from tainted well water (excess nitrogen can result in heart defects, look up Blue Babies) to alga blooms that kill fish and pollute shellfish.

          Vegans would also claim that the cows are abused and reject milk products for that reason

          I would offer that an improved method of producing milk without cows (and the further step of producing meat without cows), would result in complete dep

          • ...and that is bad? Cows are artificial, and practically an invasive species with our help. Plus you'd have significantly less methane to deal with.
            • by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @06:32PM (#60629652)

              ...and that is bad? Cows are artificial, and practically an invasive species with our help. Plus you'd have significantly less methane to deal with.

              Invasive is one way of putting it, but the ecological niche they're invading was occupied by an incumbent. The bison. Essentially big, hairy, considerably less friendly... cows. If the species we farm had tried to displace the bison on their own, they would have lost. Despite our help displacing the bison, there has been no change whatsoever in the amount of atmospheric methane contributed by the ungulates of North America. There are only slightly more cows in North America today than there were bison before Europeans arrived, and by weight, there is less cow than there was bison.

              The bison marched across the continent, eating the grass and burping and farting and shitting everywhere they went. Their methane production was massive. There were so many of them, they were the driving force maintaining the Great Plains grassland ecosystem. Without them, the Great Plains would have been considerably more forested than it was. Bison destroy young trees. North America's tree cover has been recovering for the past century, and is now at a century high. Thanks to concentrated feeding operations, North American tree cover could exceed the cover it had prior to the arrival of Europeans. The various Plains Indian tribes are known to have conducted controlled burns, which did contribute some to keeping the trees in check, but by far the biggest influence was the bison themselves. Now that the cattle of North America are all fenced in, the trees are taking over.

              If we eliminate the cattle we have today, we will drastically reduce the amount of methane production to far below the natural rate that has been present since the retreat of the glaciers 12,000 years ago.

          • by caseih ( 160668 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @02:33PM (#60629148)

            Having worked with cattle some, I say, good. Cattle can drive a man to swear and drink! I can get angry just seeing one out in a field (doubly so when it's on my side of the fence)! Yes cattle can cause a guy to have issues.

            Seriously, would it be so bad to have nearly perfect beef and milk substitutes from plant-based proteins and compounds and not raise cattle? I think this is great. I like beef and milk but I don't care where it comes from as long as it tastes good.

            The only issue with eliminating cattle is that it's looking more and more like cattle, both grazing and manure spreading, are essential to regenerative approaches to agriculture and food production. If cattle are eliminated, then synthetic and mined fertilizers become even more depended on. Of course there are other factors. Nitrogen fixing bacteria will hopefully be developed to replace carbon-intensive synthetic nitrates, and eventually we'll have to close the loop on the phosphate cycle by 100% recycling nutrients out of human waste and returning it to the farms.

            • If cattle are eliminated, then synthetic and mined fertilizers become even more depended on.

              I seriously doubt that. Intensive farming requiring mined fertilizers is need to grow food for livestock. Crops include corn and soybeans. Modern large scale agriculture has not been sustainable using animal manure for fertilizer for over a hundred years. It strikes me as a bit perverse to raise cattle a shit producers.

            • by Cyberax ( 705495 )

              The only issue with eliminating cattle is that it's looking more and more like cattle, both grazing and manure spreading, are essential to regenerative approaches to agriculture and food production.

              They are NOT. Cattle is absolutely HARMFUL to agriculture and nature overall.

              The main issue is that cattle doesn't actually generate fixed nitrogen, they just concentrate it. So to get nitrogen for a certain amount of agricultural land, you have to let cattle graze a much bigger area of grassland. In reality most cattle is just fed corn or grass produced with synthetic fertilizers.

              This is also why "organic sustainable farming" right now is mostly a scam. It totally depends on synthetic fertilizers that

          • Never. There will always be people who want milk from cows. They would have to be outlawed for that to happen. You think the Amish are going to start drinking milk from labs?
        • Which is why letting the cows wander around on grass improving pasture and sequestering carbon is a more use way of operating.

    • Cow's milk is already made exclusively from plants.

      You're talking about an organic liquid that comes from one of the largest sources of red meat on the planet.

      I mean, you could try and convince a vegan of your argument. Just be ready to duck and take cover before their head explodes.

      • You're talking about an organic liquid that comes from one of the largest sources of red meat on the planet.

        Nope. Milk cows aren't usually eaten.

        • You're talking about an organic liquid that comes from one of the largest sources of red meat on the planet.

          Nope. Milk cows aren't usually eaten.

          Ah. That must explain why vegans happily consume cows milk. I see by my own error, the logic among that group, goes even deeper that I had previously imagined.

          • by kriston ( 7886 )

            It's gonna blow your mind when you realize what happens to 99.999% of male roaster chickens.

            • It's gonna blow your mind when you realize what happens to 99.999% of male roaster chickens.

              Can't imagine with a name like "roasters", but let me guess; the same thing that happens to broilers and fryers? They become food that vegans still won't eat?

          • fyi, milk products are NOT vegan

            • "Vegan" is defined less by any scientific criteria and more by whatever is currently considered Woke and Proper by the Vegan Disciples.
            • fyi, milk products are NOT vegan

              Yes, and sarcastic comments are NOT meant to be taken seriously. Much like vegan food rules.

              • And... that is why snark or sarcasm tags are used... for other gentle readers to get the drift ;)

                But yeah, they guy you were replying to was a moron, to think that meat producers would allow one scrap of potential profit to get away from them is just fanciful

                Dairy cows (elderly) are also a potential source for BSE to get into the human food chain since they frequently are presented as "downer" cows to meat processing plants

        • by spun ( 1352 )

          Things are changing though. https://www.thecattlesite.com/... [thecattlesite.com]

        • Nope. Milk cows aren't usually eaten.

          Yes they are. Nearly 100% of dairy cattle are eventually eaten.

          Do you really believe there are retirement homes for retired cows? With green pastures and daily massages as a reward for their lifetime of milk production?

          When you see a packet of ground beef in the grocery store, it is occasionally from a retired milker.

        • by b3e3 ( 6069888 )
          They are absolutely eaten, but not as fancy steaks-- they're older and tougher, so they're graded lower, and there are fewer slaughter-ready at any given time. They end up in processed stuff like canned soups and hot dogs, pet food, etc.
          • Yep. I should have qualified that: "Not usually eaten by humans".

            They're old and stringy and there's not much meat on them because their bodies just spent years doing nothing but make milk.

            I'm sure they're not going to throw them away though, not with dog food so expensive.

        • > Nope. Milk cows aren't usually eaten.

          The average dairy cow is only part of the herd for 5 years before it's culled. Do you suppose farmers just let it loose to roam the countryside, or do you suppose they try to extract as much value as they can by butchering it?

          =Smidge=

        • by omibus ( 116064 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @02:09PM (#60629076) Homepage Journal

          well, you don't eat a steak from a milk cow anyway (I've done it, pretty tough), but that isn't to say they go to waste. Milks cows don't live long lives no matter what, about 7 years before old age kicks in. Once that hits, often they are turned into hamburger for fast food burger joints.

          Source: me, grew up on a dairy, most of my family are still in the dairy industry.

  • Interesting new competition. Dutchmen Jaap Korteweg and Niko Koffeman (Vegan Cowboys) are effectively trying to do the same with the aim for cheese and butter.
    • No one is going to make a production ready microbe for milk proteins and give it away for 2.5 Million, it's a lot of money and yet not nearly enough.

      It's kind of a sign of weakness, they have the lab and the specialists ... and they can't figure it out.

  • Oatmilk (Score:5, Interesting)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:09PM (#60628774) Homepage Journal

    A good quality oatmilk works fine for baking, iced coffee, cereal, etc. It has a flavor and consistency approximating skim milk. It doesn't provoke nut allergies. And can be produced gluten free. (some cross contamination is typical with oats as they can be processed on the same equipment as wheat and barley). It doesn't make very good cheese or vegan butter, but with the right culture it does make a passable yogurt. Perhaps the best aspect of oatmilk is that it can be incredibly cheap to produce. Pennies on the dollar compared to almond milk.

    P.S. I drink real milk whenever I can, but I cook for someone who is allergic. I have zero issues with lactose even in my old age. While I have a great deal of understanding of how the dairy industry works in the US, and how it could be improved), I still do not have any ethnical issues with consuming animal products. Others are free to make a different choice than I have.

    • Not for coffee (Score:4, Informative)

      by Misagon ( 1135 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @02:25PM (#60629120)

      The point of having milk in coffee is because cow's milk is a buffer solution [wikipedia.org] which neutralises the acids in coffee.
      In other words, it makes coffee taste better.

      Oatmilk does not have that property. Instead it could add an acidic sweet tang, making the coffee taste even worse than without..

      Oatmilk (and other oat-based dairy substitutes) contain gluten from the oat, and often also emulsifiers. The dominant brand where I live has palm oil in its products, and is owned part by the Chinese government and Blackstone -- of which neither should get my money.

    • I love milk, and am fortunate that I don't have any problems drinking it. But my wife and daughter don't tolerate it... so we generally have substitutes around.

      All that is to say - I've tried most of the common alternatives, and oat milk is the only one I find good enough to use as a beverage.

  • Impossible Milk (Score:4, Informative)

    by RoccamOccam ( 953524 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:13PM (#60628790)
    I would think that even just using "milk" in the name will raise big problems with the FDA in ways that "burger" didn't. They'll probably call it something like "mylk".

    PART 131 -- MILK AND CREAM

    Subpart B--Requirements for Specific Standardized Milk and Cream

    Sec. 131.110 Milk.

    (a) Description. Milk is the lacteal secretion, practically free from colostrum, obtained by the complete milking of one or more healthy cows. Milk that is in final package form for beverage use shall have been pasteurized or ultrapasteurized, and shall contain not less than 8 1/4 percent milk solids not fat and not less than 3 1/4 percent milkfat. Milk may have been adjusted by separating part of the milkfat therefrom, or by adding thereto cream, concentrated milk, dry whole milk, skim milk, concentrated skim milk, or nonfat dry milk. Milk may be homogenized.

    • That definition doesn't even account for Goat Milk and Sheep Milk.

      Thankfully, that particular code does not try to regulate how the public can use the word. Right now, you can walk into any supermarket and find Goat Milk, Sheep Milk, Coconut Milk, etc.

      The dairy industry would love to convince the FDA to regulate the word "milk." But so far, they have not been successful. If the FDA were to adopt such a regulation, it would face a challenge on first amendment grounds, which would need to be resolved in co

      • Of course not, that's why they can't call goat milk just plain milk and confuse consumers.

        These laws and definitions were put in place to make sure consumers weren't being cheated by unethical manufacturers (for example adding water to milk to improve profit). These federal requirements establish standards for what words mean so everyone knows what they are getting.

    • by GoRK ( 10018 )

      The dairy lobby has been losing their asses handily on all this milk labeling bullshit they have been trying to gin up again recently. One of their fairly recent gaffes was when they brought an argument against a small dairy for their labeling of "skim milk" that had not been fortified with Vitamin A. There is no cream in skim milk, and the Vitamin A in milk is all in the cream. Though I have no idea how they were able to do the mental gymnastics to make the argument that the literal definition of milk did

    • The liquid from coconuts has been called "milk" for centuries.

    • I would think that even just using "milk" in the name will raise big problems with the FDA in ways that "burger" didn't. They'll probably call it something like "mylk".

      Malk! Now with vitamin R. [duckduckgo.com]

    • I would think that even just using "milk" in the name will raise big problems with the FDA [...]

      I'm not sure why you'd think that Impossible using the term would suddenly cause problems, given the ready availability of soy milk, almond milk, and coconut milk (and rice milk, oat milk, hemp milk, sunflower seed milk, etc. etc. etc....) in grocery stores across the US. The summary even mentioned them in the first line. Plant-based milks have been on store shelves in the US and marketed as "milk" for at least the last several decades. Impossible coming to market with their own take on the niche is a welco

      • Good point. However, I note that all of your examples are prefixed with the name of the food item from which the "milk" is derived.
        • If Impossible decided to refer to their product as just "Milk", I suspect it would indeed cause confusion and could get them in hot water, but their marketing up to this point has always avoided problems such as those, so I don't think we have any reason to suspect they would alter course here.

          It's also worth noting that the use of a descriptor is a matter of social convention. Head to a different part of the globe and you'll need to specify "cow's" if you don't want to end up with yak's or camel's milk whe

      • I have not come across a problem where a plant-based "milk" is passed off as milk from a cow. As far as I know, plant-based milk substitutes are still much more expensive than cow's milk, so the likelihood of any kind of fraud due to labeling is pretty remote.

        • I have not come across a problem where a plant-based "milk" is passed off as milk from a cow.

          Likewise, hence why this didn't come across as something that would cause any new concerns.

          As far as I know, plant-based milk substitutes are still much more expensive than cow's milk

          Prices have come down in recent years, but yeah, they're still a bit higher. At my local grocery store, right now, a half gallon of almond milk will run you $3, which looks to be roughly equal to the organic cow's milk choices, but about $1 more expensive than the store brand cow's milk.

  • We already have a viable alternative to cow's milk [youtube.com].

    "I don't understand. Everybody likes rats. Why wouldn't they want to drink the rats' milk?"
    • by Quietust ( 205670 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:32PM (#60628876) Homepage

      What about dog's milk [youtube.com]?

      "Nothing wrong with dog's milk. Full of goodness, full of vitamins, full of marrowbone jelly. Lasts longer than any other type of milk, dog's milk, (since) no bugger'll drink it. Plus, of course, the advantage of dog's milk is that when it goes off it takes exactly the same as when it's fresh."

  • It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.
  • or your own two hands, you probably shouldn't eat it. At least not as the majority of your diet.

    I see this stuff in the grocery stores and it just looks like the bottom of the uncanny valley.
  • by jelwell ( 2152 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:18PM (#60628808)

    Why would you mimic cow's milk when it's just a poor substitute for our mother's milk?

    • Why would you mimic cow's milk when it's just a poor substitute for our mother's milk?

      I am in my sixties. Mother's milk is not an option.

  • by Jodka ( 520060 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:21PM (#60628820)

    My #1 favorite food is hamburgers, but I can not eat them because I have alpha-gal allergy [wikipedia.org]. If you have dietary restrictions which prevent you from eating beef, then the Impossible Burger is worthwhile. I've been trying meat substitutes for decades and they all taste like cardboard except the impossible burger. Though it does have a soy aftertaste and is far more expensive than real beef, so eat the real thing if you can.

    Looking forward to the milk substitute for the same reasons.

     

  • Because the stuff made with soy and almond does not taste like cow milk.

  • Impossible beef, really doesn't taste like the meat it suppose to taste like.
    It does taste kinda like a meat, but not beef.

    I don't dislike the taste of Impossible Burgers and their competitors. But I like them for what they are, a better veggie burger, which I enjoy from time to time. But by no means will it fill my want for a hamburger.

    It seems that their claims are from Vegans who had not eaten meat in 20 years and forgot how it tasted like.
    or perhaps Vegans tate real meat like that, and non-vegans don't.

  • If they want to make plant milk they also need to make one that can make cheese, ice cream and dulce de leche just like real milk
    • by Skinkie ( 815924 )
      That is exactly what Vegan Cowboys [thosevegancowboys.com] are researching.
    • How many consumers buy milk in the grocery store and then use it to make their own cheese? I suspect that this is an infinitesimal market.

      You can dump almost any sweetened liquid into an ice cream machine and get a decent dessert. You can make sorbet from fruit juice or sherbert from a mixture of juice and coconut milk.

  • Dragons Milk is taken and that stuff is pricey vs other beers.

  • Indeed (Score:2, Funny)

    by nospam007 ( 722110 ) *

    " those who enjoy the experience of consuming animal-sourced dairy products,"

    Yes, secretions of such an animal gland must be delicious, for a calf.

  • It sure seems like Silk does a pretty good job of getting soy milk close to milk - I've not had any issues mixing it with drinks, hot or cold.

    Still, I'll give whatever they come up with a shot and I wish them luck in getting something fairly creamy tasting.

  • by jbmartin6 ( 1232050 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:59PM (#60629044)
    Human milk is probably better tasting and healthier for us than cow's milk. Even the fake kinds. Plus, cow's milk makes me toot
    • Cow's milk is made for calves...
    • Plus, cow's milk makes me toot

      I am not a doctor, but I have read about this. I believe it is a mild form of lactose intolerance. Basically, the lactose in the milk is not digested, and passes through to the large intestine, where it feeds gut bacteria that produce methane, hence the toots. The ability for adult humans to digest milk is an unusual trait among mammals, and may only be a few thousand years old. I believe lactose intolerance is common in East Asian and African people.

      While we are on the subject of toot-producing foods, bean

  • Will be better for you, presuming you are not actually allergic.

    Actually allergic meaning something a whole lot more than... I do not like the taste, therefore I must be allergic.

    • Will be better for you, presuming you are not actually allergic.

      Actually allergic meaning something a whole lot more than... I do not like the taste, therefore I must be allergic.

      I think people have to understand the difference between a food intolerance, and an allergy. An engineer that I worked with is gluten intolerant. If he eats wheat products, he gets uncomfortable bloating and other digestive effects, so naturally, he avoids foods that might contain wheat proteins. An actual allergy can be much more dangerous, where a tiny trace of the allergen causes effects like anaphylactic shock, as if the person had ingested a deadly poison.

  • my favorite way to wash down a fakemeat burger is with a big tall glass of Malk.... now with Vitamin R!

  • I think the most amazing alternative is Macadamia nut milk. Especially if you have a plate of chocolate chip cookies in front of you.
  • i.e. mostly made of soy, with added salt, fat and a massive hipster tax.
  • by polyp2000 ( 444682 ) on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @03:44PM (#60629310) Homepage Journal

    Its absurd .
    We have several Plant based milks already.

    Soya Milk
    Almond Milk
    Oat Milk
    Coconut Milk

    For example.

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