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NASA Ditching 'Insensitive' Nicknames for Cosmic Objects (cnet.com) 184

NASA is "reconsidering how we talk about space," reports CNET: NASA gave two examples of cosmic objects it'll no longer use nicknames for. Planetary nebula NGC 2392 has been called the "Eskimo Nebula." "'Eskimo' is widely viewed as a colonial term with a racist history, imposed on the indigenous people of Arctic regions," NASA explained. NASA already added a note to a 2008 image release showing NGC 2392 that explains the decision to retire the nickname.

The agency will also use only the official designations of NGC 4567 and NGC 4568 to refer to a pair of spiral galaxies that were known as the "Siamese Twins Galaxy."

This reexamination of cosmic names is ongoing.

CNN explains NASA's rationale: "Nicknames are often more approachable and public-friendly than official names for cosmic objects, such as Barnard 33, whose nickname 'the Horsehead Nebula' invokes its appearance," NASA said in a release this week. "But often seemingly innocuous nicknames can be harmful and detract from the science...."

The space agency says it "will use only the official, International Astronomical Union designations in cases where nicknames are inappropriate."

Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, DC, said, "Science is for everyone, and every facet of our work needs to reflect that value."

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NASA Ditching 'Insensitive' Nicknames for Cosmic Objects

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  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:39PM (#60380979)
    to the Kenny McCormick nebula.
  • by cirby ( 2599 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:41PM (#60380981)

    Give it a few weeks, and someone will send in a letter complaining about the Horsehead Nebula because they fell off a pony when they were six.

  • NGC (Score:5, Funny)

    by ruddk ( 5153113 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:41PM (#60380983)

    The acronym NGC will be offensive at some point.

    • True. Everyone and everything is exceptional.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Why would the acronym for "Nigga, Go Crusin'!" be offensive?

  • now what? (Score:5, Funny)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:42PM (#60380985)
    [this comment has been intentionally left blank to insure no one has been offended, which in itself is offensive].
  • by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:49PM (#60380989)

    Black Holes will henceforth be known as Socioeconomically Disadvantaged Zones and White Holes as Cracker Egresses.

    • I recently went to a restaurant (outdoor dining of course) where they told me they have renamed their "Black Manhattan" cocktail to a "Dark Manhattan" out of sensitivity to recent times, so this is only one step removed from reality.

  • ... wonâ(TM)t somebody PLEASE think about Uranus!?!?
  • Honest question (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sjames ( 1099 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:53PM (#60380997) Homepage Journal

    Why is the term Siamese twins offensive? The term comes from famous conjoined twins who were from Siam. How does that differ from the Marburg virus, West Nile fever, Dengue fever, etc.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
      Some of my best friends are eskimos and siamese twins, and I can tell you... They start to cry when you call them that.
    • How does that differ from the Marburg virus, West Nile fever, Dengue fever, etc.

      It doesn't. Which is precisely why the WHO published guidelines a few years ago on no longer naming viruses after places where they were discovered and precisely why the only people who called COVID-19 the WuFlu rather than its official name are racist fuckwits.

  • Do any Inuit care? Every Hollywood movie villain is British and I just don't care. Call it the Limey Honky Nebula and see how few British people write in.
    • Some do, some don't.

      The big difficulty is that there are many people native to the circumpolar region who are not actually Inuit, and there's no good single replacement meaning "native to the circumpolar region."
    • It's a question of power - the difference between punching up, and punching down.

      Punching up, speaking truth to power, etc., is generally considered fair game, so long as you don't punch below the belt (and maybe even then, depending on how far up you're punching).

      On the other hand, almost everyone can agree that kicking someone while they're down is a dick move.

      The British conquered the fucking world - they came to define "normal" across much of the world through genocide and other ruthless applications of

      • A lot of people accept that idea, but it's wrong. Being rude is being rude, it doesn't matter if you have power or not.
        • So long as you're only considering rudeness I agree.

          However, there's still a difference between you being rude to your boss, who can rant at you or fire your ass in retribution, and your boss being rude to you when you just have to swallow it because you really need the job.

          The latter is not just rude, it's also an abuse of power.

  • Sigh. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by HiThere ( 15173 ) <charleshixsn@@@earthlink...net> on Saturday August 08, 2020 @05:57PM (#60381003)

    Those names of celestial objects were never intended to be offensive. And there is, in my mind, a large question as to who was actually offended by them.

    P.S.: It is my understanding that Eskimo is the proper name for a particular group living in the area of Hudson's Bay. Also the many Innuit find it offensive, because it's not their name. But when speaking English very few people call the Germans Deutsch. And if they do they're likely to pronounce it Dutch...which refers to a different group of people who also don't call themselves that.

    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      And thus the confusion over the term Pennsylvania Dutch (who were actually German).

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by will_die ( 586523 )
      The term "Inuit" is even more offesive, since it means that you refering to those groups as the "the people" or as the "real people". That would mean that blacks from Africa are not people.
      • by Frank Burly ( 4247955 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @08:08PM (#60381237)
        A lot of groups have names that refer to that group as some variation of "the people," and taken literally, everyone on Earth outside that group would not be people. Why single out blacks from Africa as people who would be excluded?
        • To nitpick a bit - "the people" is a very different concept than "people". "the people" pretty much has an implied context - "the people who live on the glacier", "the people who came over the sea", etc.

          Just because I say you are not one of the people (who ______), does not mean that I am saying you are not a person. Just that you aren't ________.

          That still tends to be quite rude if you're a member of the dominant culture, since in the modern world pretty much anyone who's not a member of the dominant cul

    • The ones in Pt Barrow, AK, don't find it offensive. At least the ones I met up there.
      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        I had this conversation with some people I met on a trip late last year. The term 'eskimo' wasn't offensive to them but they were disappointed it had erased their individual group's identity (which I sadly do not remember). After a handful of generations, the word just become common nomenclature. It never had to have negative connotations to be cultural appropriation.

        People are often proud of their heritage and/or place of birth. Go down to Texas and start calling everyone Californians because you jus
    • Those names of celestial objects were never intended to be offensive.

      Offense is taken not given. The intent however pure it may be does not change the ability for something to offend. Now as to whether we should capitulate to every complaint dreamt up by the perpetually offended, that's a different question.

  • by SlashDev ( 627697 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @06:10PM (#60381029) Homepage
    There are two infinite certainties, the universe, and human stupidities, and I'm not so sure about the universe. We will end up with names of sports teams and sky objects that do not reflect any minorities, and then someone will wonder: "WHY are there no minorities mentioned in sports team and sky objects", teams will be labeled as racist, and NASA will be sued and send a minority to Mars just for being a minority and cover their asses. These decisions, and the people who think that mentioning a minority is racists are of astronomical stupidity, pun intended.
    • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @06:28PM (#60381069) Journal
      P.J. O'Rourke called these people the Perennially Indignant. Professional whiners. Don't try and look for logic or reason, there isn't any, and there's no pleasing these people. Literally. They have to come up with stuff to be pissed off about, because otherwise they'd lose their raison d'être, and if that means doing a 180 degree turn on their previous position, so be it.
      • by knarf ( 34928 )

        If there are any Dutch here (real ones, not ersatz-Germans) you might recognise the term 'miesmuizers' as another alternative for the Perennially Indignant, coined by Annie M.G. Schmidt for her children's musical "Het fluitje van één cent". Their fate was to be pulled in to a barge used to collect vegetable peelings ("de schillenschuit") where they were held with an invisible rope. She wrote this in 1960, amazing how prescient she was...

      • Are there Perennially Indignant Professional Whiners in a position of influence at NASA, or is this just somebody saying: we named this when nobody cared what $ethnicgroup thought about anything, maybe we shouldn't use the name $ethnicgroup to describe something that has nothing to do with them?
    • So the team should be the "Washington Native Americans?"
  • by jm007 ( 746228 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @06:13PM (#60381037)
    smart folks in one field sound as stupid as everybody else when they assume their brains will transfer to some unrelated topic

    no free passes from me just because you know why Han couldn't really have made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs
    • no free passes from me just because you know why Han couldn't really have made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs

      What are you talking about. A Parsec is a unit of distance. Did you not watch the Solo movie? Han decided to not go through a curvy corkscrew convoluted path (there was a star destroyer in the way) and instead made a straight line through the Akkadese Maelstrom. Admittedly I didn't check the scale on the map but I assume that distance he covered was only 12 parsecs from Kessel out of the Maelstrom.

      Starwars is like politics, when someone makes a SNAFU while speaking or writing a script they just adjust the u

  • Eskimo was not a slur and the word came from the Indians. It seems the only big reason its perceived as offensive is because its an old term. Inuit doesn't even accurately apply to all the people its being used on to replace Eskimo.
    • by knarf ( 34928 )

      In this respect it is the same as the word "Roma" which is used instead of "Gypsy". Not all gypsies are Roma but we're still supposed to call them such.

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        I just watched a Netflix show in Romania, where they were using both terms to refer to themselves. Just to be clear, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that I think this whole finding offense thing went way out of hand when we started becoming "politically correct". If you find something offensive that wasn't intended to be, then it's your problem and fuck off.

        • It's ok to call someone by their preferred name, it's polite. But if a white person is telling you what an unknown black person prefers to be called, they are out of line (or more precisely, ignorant).
  • They're all named after Roman deities. Surely it's bound to offend some religious denomination or other.

    • That happened already, which is why we refer to the planet as Venus, rather than Lucifer.
    • by ghoul ( 157158 )

      The planets are named after Hindu deities in the Indian languages and after Chinese Heavenly spirits in Chinese.
      Assuming the English names are the names everyone uses is the worst kind of cultural arrogance.
      Go stand in a corner and check your privilege (Just kidding)

  • Who'll be the first to get a PhD in Taking Offense? What university will be the first to offer it?
    • all of them - the studies are usually called fancy titles like "colonial and african studies" or "women's studies" or the like, but they all fall in to a general category known as "grievance studies".

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        Reminds me of when I took a junior level class back in the early 80s, titled "Introduction to The Sociology of Deviant Behavior". I thought it was going to be an easy A until during the first lecture by the female professor that she was offended by the term "lady".

    • Probably someone from this thread. People here are incredibly offended about this name change.

      They don't care about the racial groups involved, and they don't care about astronomical nomenclature, but the idea that someone changed something precisely to avoid these kinds of discussions in future has made them go red with outrage.

  • Now they come for Uranus.
  • Why not rename Uranus?

    It really is a problem. While I believe it is not really a problem among scientists, talk about it to a bunch of teenagers and all you are going to get are jokes about "your anus". If you want "distraction from science", you have it. So much that scientists prefer to use an alternative pronunciation, which is also correct, but if it wasn't for the joke, "your anus" would likely have been preferred.

    I am only half joking here, even though Uranus is the official name and the Eskimo Nebula

    • There's an alternate pronunciation that largely solves the "yer anus" problem. Just pronounce it "urine-us". Wait... is that better?

    • There is only one correct pronunciation and that is the latin one, which has nothing much to do with "your anus".

      • The problem with going with what the ancients said would mean that the math letter PI would be pronounced 'pee'.
        It doesn't mean your result is wrong just your reason.
        Do modern Greeks pronounce it 'pie' or 'pee'?
        P.S. We need more talking about people's anuses.
        Without the stigma maybe people with real medical needs could be helped.

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )

      If you pronounce it properly, as in how the Romans pronounced the name of the deity in ancient times, it is not a problem.

      Oo - RAH - nuss

      If you mispronounce the second syllable more like 'ray' than 'rah', it starts to resemble something akin to a joke than 10 year olds find funny. It gets even worse in some dialects of english which may tend to put a voiced palatal approximant consanant in front of most words that otherwise begin with a close back rounded vowel.

      But properly pronounced, it doesn't r

  • NASA helps indigenous people disappear completely from public consciousness. Sports teams are helping too. They seem to want that.
  • Ugh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08, 2020 @08:10PM (#60381243)

    No matter what your politics, I think we can agree the liberals are insane on this one. Everything is racist apparently, and it's not the conservatives who keep bringing it up.

  • America may be the first nation to die of mass bedwetting.

  • This is the logical outcome of the political/social positions held by the majority of techies, or at least the majority who post here.

    What did you think was going to happen?

    When you get on a train going a certain direction, eventually you are going to arrive somewhere. It's no good saying now that you didn't want to go there.

  • PC gone crazy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Saturday August 08, 2020 @10:44PM (#60381531)

    I am a minority myself but it seems to me we have gone overboard with the political correctness.

    Whats next?
    African American Holes?
    The Sun is a Asian American Sequence star and expansion of the universe causes a Native American shift?

    Sometimes words are just words not slurs.

  • ...stellar objects named like GalaxyMcGalaxyface ?!?
  • Not too long ago, most of us humans weren’t sure where or when our next meal would happen, or if we would have shelter for the winter. Life expectancies were in the mid-30’s, and infant mortality was in double digits.

    Those are kind of problems we evolved to solve. The human brain needs problems to solve.

    Now, what happens when you take away the need to find food, find shelter, and what happens when you remove all reasonable threat of homelessness, invasion, and plagues that make Corona look like

  • Is "Siamese twin" really that bad? We don't even call it Siam anymore. We never should have anyway, that was stupid Europeans being stupid again. Thailand has always been known as Mueang Thai by the people that count, the ones who live there!

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