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James Webb Space Telescope Will 'Absolutely' Not Launch In March (arstechnica.com) 56

The James Webb Space Telescope, NASA's follow-on instrument to the wildly successful Hubble Space Telescope, will not meet its current schedule of launching in March 2021, according to the chief of NASA's science programs. Ars Technica reports: "We will not launch in March," said Thomas Zurbuchen, the space agency's associate administrator for science. "Absolutely we will not launch in March. That is not in the cards right now. That's not because they did anything wrong. It's not anyone's fault or mismanagement." Zurbuchen made these comments at a virtual meeting of the National Academies' Space Studies Board. He said the telescope was already cutting it close on its schedule before the COVID-19 pandemic struck the agency and that the virus had led to additional lost work time.

"This team has stayed on its toes and pushed this telescope forward at the maximum speed possible," he said. "But we've lost time. Instead of two shifts fully staffed, we could not do that for all the reasons that we talk about. Not everybody was available. There were positive cases here and there. And so, perhaps, we had only one shift." NASA and the telescope's prime contractor, Northrop Grumman, are evaluating the schedule going forward. This will include an estimate of when operations can completely return to normal -- Zurbuchen said telescope preparation and testing activities are nearing full staffing again -- and set a new date for a launch. This schedule review should conclude in July. "I'm very optimistic about this thing getting off the launch pad in 2021," Zurbuchen said. "Of course, there is still a lot of mountain to climb."

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James Webb Space Telescope Will 'Absolutely' Not Launch In March

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  • *Sigh* (Score:5, Funny)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @03:12AM (#60169978)

    This telescope has been delayed so long that I'm beginning to think they should just rename it the James Webb Earth Paperweight. -_-

    • They need to launch this thing before some bonobos get to it and try to knock the rocket over and turn whatever remains of the launch complex into a fort.
    • by Creepy ( 93888 )

      Northrup-Grumman is tied in bureaucracy. Good people, but if you expect anything on tine, it won't happen (based on other companies I've worked for). I've worked for and contracted with Grumman - know they are bureaucratically tied and ship date unreliable, even with Covid-19.

    • Re:*Sigh* (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @08:00AM (#60170400)

      There is no more stark a demonstration of the difference between the government way and the SpaceX way of getting a project done.

    • The James Webb Jobs Program provides a lot of white collar jobs. And delivers federal dollars to states.

  • by Laxator2 ( 973549 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @03:47AM (#60170020)

    The project took so long to develop, and the targets it will look at have been around for a very long time; they will be around for longer yet.
    Delaying the launch to reduce the risk of failure makes a lot of sense.
    You spend almost two decades building the telescope and then you get one shot at placing it in the right place.
    If the launch goes wrong, two decades and billions of dollars go down the drain. Or the launch goes right, but then you discover a problem when you start observing, like it happened with Hubble.
    As this telescope will be placed at the L2 point instead of Earth orbit there will be no way to service it, so everything must work correctly from the start.
    Nothing is more expensive than failure.

    • If I only had mod points right now...

      I like "nothing is more expensive than failure."

    • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @09:54AM (#60170780) Journal

      Yeah, just keep spending taxpayer dollars forever with no results. Or, launch one that has an 80% chance of working, for 10% or the price, and if it fails, launch 5 more! The SpaceX way.

      This is old-school NASA BS, with no interest in actually delivering, because if they deliver the pork stops flowing. Meanwhile the careers of many an astronomer wither and die as the promises of JWST go unfulfilled abd research can't be done.

      , like it happened with Hubble.

      Hubble's failure was a pure NASA failure as project leader. NASA failed to ensure proper communication and testing between contractor. Contractor A didn't understand how to properly install what Contractor B delivered, and so they got a warped mirror. But, hey, taxpayer money was successfully spread out among all the different campaign contributors, so the project was a huge success from the point of view of the congresscritters involved!

      • by Anonymous Coward

        There are eighteen 4ft/1.3m mirrors painstakingly carved from blocks of beryllium. This is not the kind of telescope you would make five copies of just in case.

        Also some of the delay is a consequence of the Hubble problems you mention. If ensuring proper communication and testing between contractors is the absolute highest priority, then other aspects, like development speed, are necessarily lower priorities. It shouldn't be this bad, but it should be seen in context. The target wavelengths and the orbital

        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          There are eighteen 4ft/1.3m mirrors painstakingly carved from blocks of beryllium. This is not the kind of telescope you would make five copies of just in case.

          Indeed, doing it the most expensive way possible is not the sort of thing you do 5 times just in case. That's sort of the point. There is 0 incentive for cost saving anywhere in the project, which to a non-engineer may seem like the highest quality, but an engineer knows redundancy is better.

      • I fully agree that such projects present ample opportunities for pork barrel politics, (and as much as I hate to use it, here it is) BUT:
        - If you don't accept the pork barrel politics, you get no funding. So if you want any science results at all, this is what you have to put up with.
        - If you build a telescope with 80% chance of working at 10% of the price, you'll get the money to build only one of them anyway. You won't get funding for 5. They launched 2 identical Mars rovers just because they lan

      • "Contractor A didn't understand how to properly install what Contractor B delivered" That's not what happened with Hubble. https://www.newscientist.com/a... [newscientist.com].
        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          Yes, it is. One group built the test instrument that was designed to ensure the mirror was perfect. They also designed a rod of exotic alloy to be the same length at all relevent temperatures to ensure the instrument was mounted at exactly the correct distance from the mirror. This was delivered to another group, who didn't quite understand the mounting directions.

          Now, so far, that's the usual BS with multiple contractors in a large project. What should have happened, worst case, is the technicians mo

      • It wasn't a warped mirror, it was built for Earth observation. They just build a telescope identical to the other Keyhole reconnaissance satellites, and did not take into count that the curvature was slightly different for imaging points on Earth then for focusing on stars (infinity).
        • by Anonymous Coward
          Your explanation is total bollocks [wikipedia.org]. You can read wikipedia, or you can read the New Scientist link two hours [slashdot.org] before you posted.
          • You think they would have admitted this? And why do you think that Wikipedia knows the absolute truth? This can as well be a cover-up story. The design of the KH-11 Keyhole satellites was a secret.
    • The JWST had an original cost estimate of $5 billion [wikipedia.org]. The cost had ballooned to $10 billion in Oct 2019, meaning it's probably more than that now (8 months later). So if they'd just launched the thing on schedule in the first place, even if it turned out to be defective and failed because they rushed to finish it on time, they could've built a second replacement one for another $5 billion. And the cost of the failed one + its replacement would've been less than the cost of delaying the first one over and
      • by habig ( 12787 )

        It's also worth noting that although the summary says "wildly successful Hubble", HST was over time and over budget by lots and lots too: people were having this same discussion thread late in HST development. Well not on Slashdot, of course. In fact, they they were so slow that they scooped on the main science goal of the project (measuring Cephied variable stars in virgo cluster galaxies to nail down the distance scale) by the ground-based CFHT. And despite being over time and over budget they still f

  • xkcd (Score:4, Funny)

    by spiritplumber ( 1944222 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @03:54AM (#60170040) Homepage
  • by sudonim2 ( 2073156 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @06:55AM (#60170290)
    Don't worry. Literally no one thought it actually would keep to schedule this time either.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Well, when you consider it was supposed to launch 13 years ago and still hasn't, I don't think this should come as a surprise at all...

    NASA is completely and utterly incompetent from top to bottom.

  • JWST (Score:5, Funny)

    by Voice of satan ( 1553177 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @08:00AM (#60170394)

    It is the Just Wait Space Telescope.

  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @08:37AM (#60170514)

    Name one major government building project, DOD system or NASA project in the past 50 years that hasn't been over budget and late.

    The government sucks at everything except getting bigger and wasting your money.

    SpaceX vs SLS is the epitome.

    • Apollo. It wasn't over budget because they had a blank check and they beat the deadline "the end of this decade" with 5 months to spare.

      • But that wasn't in the past 50 years.

        Okay, the last Apollo flight was from Dec 7–19, 1972, so 47.5 years.

        Gee, you know you are getting old when you remember where you were during the first moon landing. Hell, I remember seeing Japanese Zeros flying over Honolulu. (But, if you corner me, I'd have to tell you it was the filming of Tora Tora Tora, not the real thing. It still makes a better story without the explanation.)
    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      The government sucks at everything except getting bigger and wasting your money.

      The government is my wife?

    • You think the job of government procurement is to procure a product or service for use by the government.

      And you are dead wrong.

      The purpose is to procure a metric ass-load of money for the constituency of the criminal class aka Congress.

      If it comes in on-time and on-budget, Congress and the parasites they feed consider it a failure.

  • At this pace, the JWST is going to be grossly obsolete even before it launches.
  • I'm beginning to think the people building this are the same ones building our Flying Cars.

  • by Vandil X ( 636030 ) on Thursday June 11, 2020 @09:55AM (#60170784)
    The James Webb Telescope is like the SLS. Lots of pork barrel spending for hardware that may never actually fly.

    But the actual purpose of those devices are to create jobs for companies in locations that line the re-election campaigns of their representative congressmen, who then send more Congressional money to those companies.
    • The James Webb Telescope is like the SLS. Lots of pork barrel spending for hardware that may never actually fly.

      And SSC [wikipedia.org], and SST [wikipedia.org] and another SST [wikipedia.org], and YMNWR [wikipedia.org], and ECCS [wikipedia.org], and AmTrak [wikipedia.org], and, and, and...

  • ... in storage any longer we are going to rename it the Cob Webb telescope.

  • People were upset the Falcon rocket to the ISS didnâ(TM)t explode so this bad news helps.

  • I guess I lost a bunch of people with rational. But, with COVIDIOTS running around destroying things, just because they are too stupid to understand reality, I hope they don't start hurting really expensive things like this space telescope.

    Can you image the stupidity it would take to blame 5G cell towers for spreading COVID-19?
    And then, to top it all off, destroy a 4G tower?

    Makes me wish I could create my own country and prevent such people from getting, (or keeping), citizenship.

    Any rich people out
  • The telescope was designed to be able to see back to the start of the Universe, but due to the delays it will now only be able to look back to 12 years after the Univers started.

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