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US Eyes Robot Moon Missions as it Prepares For Astronauts' Return (reuters.com) 88

The United States wants to send robotic explorers to the moon as soon as next year as a preparatory step toward sending astronauts back there for the first time since 1972, a NASA official said on Monday. From a report: The National Aeronautics and Space Administration is planning a series of lunar missions beginning next year aimed at developing the capacity for a return to the moon, said Cheryl Warner, a spokeswoman for NASA's Human Exploration Directorate. NASA will work with private companies, which have not yet been chosen, on the missions, Warner said in a phone interview. U.S. President Donald Trump in December signed a directive that he said would enable astronauts to return to the moon and eventually lead a mission to Mars. Last month he ordered the government to review regulations on commercial space flights.
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US Eyes Robot Moon Missions as it Prepares For Astronauts' Return

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  • Like holding SpaceX to a higher standard than NASA to hold them back?

    NASA deserves to be embarrassed. They wasted all the years between Apollo and now.

    • Just to screw with Jeff Bezos perhaps?

    • NASA had to learn the hard way so far as safety goes, and they're not motivated by profit like a private corporation is, so I'm perfectly okay with them keeping everyone on a short leash until they prove they can be at least as safe as NASA operations.
      • Then all Elon needs to do is cram 14 people on a rocket and blow it up.

      • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

        NASA had to learn the hard way so far as safety goes, and they're not motivated by profit like a private corporation is, so I'm perfectly okay with them keeping everyone on a short leash until they prove they can be at least as safe as NASA operations.

        *cough*Challenger*cough*

        • Sure. NASA learned from that and other accidents/disasters before it, and don't want to see that happen in the private sector. I'm perfectly okay with that; why aren't you?
      • There's NASA, and then there's congress. Congress is pushing SLS, which is at this point an albatross around NASA's neck, because of its profit production for various companies in the states of various congress people.

        In fairness to NASA and congress, we didn't know SpaceX would do so well when SLS was proposed and approved. But it's time to kill it.

        • > because of its profit production for various companies in the states of various congress people.

          Absolutely. That was and is a significant problem.

          > But it's time to kill it.

          What if it could be completed for half as much money? Would it be a good idea to kill it if instead of $16 billion, it only cost $8 billion?

          I ask because that's where we are now - halfway done. $8 billion has already been spent and it's gone. We can't get that back. It'll cost $8 to complete it.

          • It'll cost $8 to complete it.

            Plus another $8 billion for unexpected cost overruns.

          • by Agripa ( 139780 )

            What if it could be completed for half as much money? Would it be a good idea to kill it if instead of $16 billion, it only cost $8 billion?

            I ask because that's where we are now - halfway done. $8 billion has already been spent and it's gone. We can't get that back. It'll cost $8 to complete it.

            Kill it unless it is recognized as a welfare program and the results are never used.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        • by Agripa ( 139780 )

          There's NASA, and then there's congress. Congress is pushing SLS, which is at this point an albatross around NASA's neck, because of its profit production for various companies in the states of various congress people.

          The SLS has the virtue of being able to carry all of Congress into solar orbit in one shot. Let's keep it and hope.

    • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Monday June 18, 2018 @01:10PM (#56803854)

      NASA deserves to be embarrassed. They wasted all the years between Apollo and now.

      NASA takes their marching orders and gets their budget from Congress and the President. The fault lies with the owner of the purse strings if it lies with anyone. The Space Shuttle was a reasonable idea that failed because it had to satisfy too many groups and it sucked all the oxygen out of the room for decades. Then each President tries to give NASA a new priority but never pursues the funding to make it happen during their administration. Basically they make it impossible for NASA to do their job properly.

      NASA has their faults to be sure but they are quite competent at many things. Cutting edge research, scientific exploration, technology development and transfer, and more. Though the Space Shuttle was a boondoggle it also was an amazing piece of technology that shows how capable NASA is. The problem for the last 30 years is that NASA has basically been stuck being a bus service to space instead of being tasked with pushing the boundaries of exploration and technology.

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  • Seriously, private space, esp SpaceX, but also BO, SNC, and BA, are all pushing to get to the moon ASAP. SX may actually be there with 100+ tonnes of cargo before 2022. If that happens, hopefully, it will put CONgress to shame for their throwing away our money on SLS.
    As to these private landers, the best thing that can happen is for NASA to put several on the moon and then have them repeat the feat on Mars.

    Finally, if Trump/GOP really want to help new space, they would quit arguing over ISS and simply
  • ... should be to mine asteroids.

    Talk about "security issues," like placing tariffs on imported cars because what if there's hostilities and we have all these foreign vehicles, how about our national dependency on those same foreigners for metals and minerals?

    Had we not lost our goddam minds, we would have hospitable habitats for launching miners and for refining the ores before shipping to Earth or even manufacturing on the Moon and then using Amazon Prime, taking advantage of its free shipping.

    • ... should be to mine asteroids.

      Mining asteroids is one of those stupid ideas that sounds great until you actually think through the economics of it and the practical realities of actually doing it. It requires technology substantially more advanced than any we have or are in danger of developing any time soon. It requires an economically sustainable space based economy and infrastructure. And even if we solve that problem by pretending such technology is within our grasp, the economics of asteroid mining still don't make any sense.

      • TL;DR because I've already experienced such unimaginative thinking.

        For reference, see shale oil mining.

      • nope, read your kinetic energy link

        A tungsten rod weighing 11 ton has the impact energy of only 9 tons of TNT...in other words, it's better to just use explosives on earth than waste time with any stupid wimpy-energy kinetic impactor from space. and the stuff can't be accurately targeted with its pathetic yield.

        Weight from space in quantities humans could mine and refine is NOT like a nuke. Sure, a 1 kilometer wide asteroid is...but we're not talking about that.

  • Let's be real (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Bruce Perens ( 3872 )

    A mission that the government hasn't yet selected the vendors for isn't going to launch next year.

    Of the vendors, only SpaceX has the technical capability to launch a payload to the moon on a few month's schedule, using the Falcon Heavy. However, there is no landing vehicle in existence at this time. Note that this has to be a cryogenic rocket, because it has to spend days in space before landing, unlike all of the existing SpaceX boosters. SpaceX boosters use a kerosene-based fuel and would freeze in the t

    • Couldn't they try their hypergol engines for landing?

      • They still have to build a new landing vehicle, because there is insufficient delta-v in the Dragon 2.
        • yes, I was just recalling something that might be more marketing spew than anything else, but there was talk of bigger system that would be appropriate for Mars landing.

          • When Elon introduced Dragon 2, he said something about it being able to land on any body in this solar system. He didn't mention it needing a separate landing vehicle. But Dragon 2, as it's being built, doesn't have close to the necessary amount of delta-V. The Red Dragon that was formerly contemplated would have added fuel capacity, since it didn't need to carry people, but it also used aerobraking.

            At this point, any proposal from SpaceX would be based on BFR.

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