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Study Finds Different Types of Alcohol Can Determine Different Moods (bbc.com) 156

A new study published in the journal BMJ Open says different types of alcoholic drinks change and shape your mood in different ways. For example, spirits may make you feel angry, sexy or tearful, while red wine or beer may make you feel relaxed. The researchers questioned nearly 30,000 people aged 18-34 from 21 different countries for the study. BBC reports: The anonymous online survey, which recruited respondents via newspaper and magazine adverts and social media, found:

-Red wine appeared to make people more lethargic than white wine
-Respondents were most likely to report feeling relaxed when drinking red wine or beer
-More than 40% said drinking spirits made them feel sexy
-Over half said drinking spirits also gave them energy and confidence
-But around a third said they felt aggressive when drinking spirits
-Drinking spirits was more likely than all other drink types to be associated with feelings of aggression, illness, restlessness and tearfulness
-Men were significantly more likely than women to associate feelings of aggression with all types of alcohol, particularly heavier drinkers

Prof Bellis from Public Health Wales NHS Trust said the setting in which the alcohol was consumed was an important factor that the study tried to take into consideration by asking about drinking at home and outside of the home. He said the way different drinks are marketed and promoted might encourage people to select certain drinks to suit different moods, but that this could backfire if it triggered negative emotions. He also said the study revealed a difference between men and women's emotional relationship with different alcoholic drinks.

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Study Finds Different Types of Alcohol Can Determine Different Moods

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  • Vodka (Score:5, Funny)

    by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:32PM (#55608465) Homepage Journal
    Vodka always makes me want to hack things.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Always makes me want to dance [youtube.com]

    • Vodka always makes me want to hack things.

      So...the ideal drink for lumberjacks?

      • Vodka always makes me want to hack things.

        So...the ideal drink for lumberjacks?

        Well, it also makes you feel sexy, so yeah. "I cut down trees, I wear high heels..."

      • Vodka always makes me want to hack things.

        So...the ideal drink for lumberjacks?

        For headsmen - in the "executioner" sense.

    • hm, drink less miller then :) i personally find a great difference between whiskey, japanese gekkeikan and red winde indeed, the first i feel is very aggressive
  • Not again (Score:5, Funny)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:47PM (#55608519)

    He also said the study revealed a difference between men and women's emotional relationship with different alcoholic drinks.

    He doesn't work for Google does he?

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:50PM (#55608735)

      He doesn't work for Google does he?

      Not anymore...

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by jlar ( 584848 )

      Not anymore...

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      He also said the study revealed a difference between men and women's emotional relationship with different alcoholic drinks.

      He doesn't work for Google does he?

      I suspect not, he's using solid research backed by a proper peer review process instead of out of context quotes, poorly supported conclusions and going on alt-right YouTube and whinging.

  • ... stuff we already knows.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      But this genius figured out how to get people to pay him to "study" it.

      • by LesFerg ( 452838 )

        That really is the only significance of the story. We have known this for decades. Everybody has that relative that you shouldn't let drink gin.

        • Re: Study shows... (Score:5, Interesting)

          by thesupraman ( 179040 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:56AM (#55608947)

          1) Yes, quite, this is a measure of what people THINK makes them act in certain ways, with no double blind, no control, no measurement, in fact no science. Yawn.

          2) I dont have a relative like that... I am pretty sure... (looks in mirror).. oh....

          3) Profit?

          • > 1) Yes, quite, this is a measure of what people THINK makes them act in certain ways, with no double blind, no control, no measurement, in fact no science. Yawn.

            The reason why people think like this, is because they did it 200 times and it always ends up the same.

            I'm yet to hear somebody saying that they feel aggressive drinking beer, and slow and mellowed out on whiskey. Funny how nobody thinks that.
            • And I have met 200 french people, and I hate all of them.
              (insert various ethnic group/...)

              Just because you consistently think something doesn't mean it's real.
              There is lots of research showing that if you give people non-alcoholic drinks, and tell them it's alcoholic, they will to some degree act like they're drunk.
              Expectations shape experience.
          • in fact no science. Yawn.

            People who deny there is science in studies like this fundamentally don't know how to analyse data.

        • That really is the only significance of the story. We have known this for decades. Everybody has that relative that you shouldn't let drink gin.

          Gin will make you sin.

    • 1. No we don't. Science is good.

      2. Sounds to me like the study is garbage.

      If I'm reading the summary correctly, they've completely failed to account for the fact that most Brits already believe that different drinks have different effects, and so it's self-fulfilling: they're going to report that different drinks have different effects, whether or not it actually has any bearing beyond their own expectations and associations.

  • It me. (Score:5, Funny)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:47PM (#55608523) Journal

    -More than 40% said drinking spirits made them feel sexy

    That's why my wife keeps locking up the bourbon.

  • by tylersoze ( 789256 ) on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:02PM (#55608587)

    I think this has already been shown this is purely a psychological effect, i.e. the type of alcohol affects your mood in precisely the way you expect it to. A scientific study of the actual "real" effects would have done a proper double blind test and given the participants alcohol (or not) without being told what it was exactly instead of filling out a survey form.

    • If you can't tell vodka from wine from beer, you really had enough. Go to sleep.

    • That's why they use a clickbait headline that lies, and leave out the words "people believe."

      Asking what people think happens is not a way to find out what happens. Polls are not studying what is best or real. Polls study people's opinions and beliefs.

      • That's why they use a clickbait headline that lies, and leave out the words "people believe."

        Until we get real AI that can believe clickbait headlines, I tend to assume EVERYTHING is prefixed with "people believe..."

        As for the article, obligatory Achewood: http://achewood.com/index.php?... [achewood.com]

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Yes, this is hardly a study.. More of results of questionnaire. Most people lose track of just how much alcohol they are consuming, especially in harder stuff.. So it could just as easily be an effect of quantity.

       

    • by Deep Esophagus ( 686515 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:24AM (#55608843)

      Yes, exactly this. I tend to be a whimsical person -- I am always the class clown, in any setting (for perspective, let it be noted that I am in my mid-50s but I still act like I'm 12). About a hundred years ago I was at a party for some friends who were to be married the next day, and they had margaritas flowing endlessly. I asked later what I was like, since I didn't remember a bit of it. My friends assured me "You were just like you, only much more so."

      In other words, I expect alcohol to give me a happy buzz so that's what it does for me. Red wine, scotch, vodka, girlie cocktails, margaritas, whatever -- I go about with this big grin on my face and say things that (in my inebriated mind) are hilarious.

      Only slightly related anecdote: The closest I ever came to death by alcohol poisoning was at a dorm party (big surprise, right?) circa 1982. I knew from the start that I'd never remember the weird things going on, so I came up with the brilliant plan of taking notes of anything interesting that crossed my mind. Only... I didn't have anything to write with, or write on. I have a vague recollection of searching the dorm floor, until I found a discarded pencil and grabbed some paper towels from the bathroom. Then whenever anything caught my attention, I wrote it down on my ad hoc diary. I wasn't able to read my notes for several days, because I spent the night throwing up in my bed (kids, take note -- this CAN kill you) and nursing the mother of all hangovers. When I finally got around to looking at my wadded-up paper towel full of notes... it was complete gibberish. Between the poor medium to begin with and my already-sloppy handwriting and the booze giving me an even worse scrawl, the words ran all over the page in random directions, incomplete sentences, and smudges. All I could make out was some mention of an SCTV skit that was a parody of M*A*S*H and to this day I have no idea if that was real at all or I just imagined it.

      Nowadays I generally limit myself to a glass or two or six of red wine before bed, to help me sleep. Unless my wife is driving. Or it's a full moon. Or a new moon. Or a partial moon. Or a day ending in "y".

      • I think the "write down these brilliant ideas I'm having while drunk or stoned" occurs to a lot of people. And it always ends disappointingly.

        Pretty much all alcohol works the same on me. I just get super happy with obvious physical impairment. I've actually never been able to get forget-what-I'm-doing-and-pass-out smashed, though. I think my body has some sort of built-in limiter, after which I just can't stand drinking any more. So, I've never actually had a hangover, just a slight fuzziness in the m

        • I think the "write down these brilliant ideas I'm having while drunk or stoned" occurs to a lot of people. And it always ends disappointingly.

          The one time I tried it, I couldn't read my handwriting afterwards.

    • I think this has already been shown this is purely a psychological effect, i.e. the type of alcohol affects your mood in precisely the way you expect it to.

      I doubt it. The things that give the alcohols their various characteristics also make them different chemically. One red wine (or white wine, for that matter) is much like another in effect even if it tastes different, unless it tastes horrible because it's got too many toxic aldehydes in it. But Jaegermeister is absolutely not like vodka, and for that matter, beer is not like wine. Wine doesn't have hops in it, and hops definitely have measurable effects on the body.

      I would expect people's expectations to

    • by houghi ( 78078 )

      Causation is not Correlation.Alcohol enhances emotions.
      The way people feel will determine what you drink. That is enhanced.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      I think this has already been shown this is purely a psychological effect, i.e. the type of alcohol affects your mood in precisely the way you expect it to. A scientific study of the actual "real" effects would have done a proper double blind test and given the participants alcohol (or not) without being told what it was exactly instead of filling out a survey form.

      This,

      Which is why I'm taking it with a grain of salt, shot of tequila and slice of lime.

      Seriously though, the causes behind this could be explained in a number of different ways from reactions to taste to stereotypes of the beverages involved.

      • In moderate amounts beer and red wine can calm down, as beer contains hops and red wine tannin.

        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          In moderate amounts beer and red wine can calm down, as beer contains hops and red wine tannin.

          I've also seen people go completely mental from a LLB (Lemon Lime and Bitters, the bitters contains 44% alcohol, but is so diluted that the actual drink only contains trace amounts (as in less than 0.2% ABV).

          There's a lot more governing one's reaction to alcohol than just the type of beverage.

    • How many people can not recognize/distinguish by taste white wine from red wine from beer from spirits?

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      I think this has already been shown this is purely a psychological effect, i.e. the type of alcohol affects your mood in precisely the way you expect it to. A scientific study of the actual "real" effects would have done a proper double blind test and given the participants alcohol (or not) without being told what it was exactly instead of filling out a survey form.

      Pretty hard to not let them know what kind of alcohol it is if they're to drink it. But I imagine if you gave it as a suppository or something there would be no difference at all. I doubt it's any more physical than listening to blues music and feeling blue. Alcohol by itself has a physical effect though, which is essentially to lower inhibitions to everything. The rest might as much be a choice of beverage as anything, if you're opening a bottle of wine on a date and guzzling beer with the guys it's the co

    • It has not been shown to be the case, because it is definitely not the case. As a side note, there is no way to do a double blind test. It would have to be a double tastebudless test.
    • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Reality is there are profound difference between alcoholic drinks. For a start the amount of accompanying sugars (unfermented) and of course trace minerals and organic compounds. What they would really need to clarify is what foods they actually consumed with those alchoholic beverages so as to ascertain the impact of those foods in conjunction with alcohol consumption. I good example https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] that cream will have a significant health impact versus the harm of just straight vodka an

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Numerous studies have shown that people conform to social norms and expectations when drinking. Unless they did this study where people didn't know what type of alcohol they were drinking then it shows nothing except the expected social expectation for each type of alcohol.

  • I only get drunk or not. I'm happy and a little sleepy.

    The only think that made me feel a little different was Absinthe. It's an odd "wakeful drunkenness" without as much shimmer as I get from other alcohols.

    But I have a client who is mean as hell on whisky but a happy kitten on tequila.

    Logically, it should make *no* difference between those two.

  • Well, more of a jerk. Beer and wine do not.
  • by sjames ( 1099 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:01AM (#55608767) Homepage Journal

    Alcoholic beverages can be roughly divided into clockwise and countercockwise. Balance them correctly and the room doesn't spin.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Alcoholic beverages can be roughly divided into clockwise and countercockwise. Balance them correctly and the room doesn't spin.

      This is why I insist on drinking exactly on the equator, that way my brain won't know which way to fall over.

  • by dunkindave ( 1801608 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:02AM (#55608773)
    There is a flaw in the premise. Does this show the type of alcohol affects the mood, or the mood/personality affects the choice of alcohol?
  • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:07AM (#55608791) Homepage

    I would call these "alcoholic beverages" and not "different types of alcohol".

    If I remember my high school chemistry, an "alcohol" is any molecule that ends in "OH" and the only type that doesn't kill a person is "ethanol" and is the active ingredient found in beer, wine, scotch, etc.

    Regardless of the mood beverages derived from ethanol makes a person, the result of a person ingesting any of the other forms of alcohol is death. So, don't drink methanol to see what the difference in the high is to something like brandy.

    • the only type that doesn't kill a person is "ethanol"

      I get your point about methanol but there are all sorts of sugar alcohols that are safe to consume. I don't know whether you'd class propylene glycol as an alcohol, but it's certainly edible.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Malitol, Sorbitol, Xylitol, Fuckitol, etc...

    • If I remember my high school chemistry, an "alcohol" is any molecule that ends in "OH" and the only type that doesn't kill a person is "ethanol" and is the active ingredient found in beer, wine, scotch, etc.

      Ethanol kills plenty of people.

    • by pjt33 ( 739471 )

      A lot of artificial sweeteners are alcohols. However, they have a laxative effect, so they can certainly affect your mood...

    • If I remember my high school chemistry, an "alcohol" is any molecule that ends in "OH"

      I agree, a lot of my experiences with alcohol also end with an "Oh".

  • by acrimonious howard ( 4395607 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:10AM (#55608801)

    -Drinking spirits was more likely than all other drink types to be associated with feelings of aggression, illness, restlessness and tearfulness

    Previous science told us it's not the type of alcohol that gives you a worse hangover or has worse affects, but the amount - and almost solely the amount (exactly how close to 100% I don't see that it was ever concluded). But any feeling of difference due to type is only perceived. Eg
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888958/
    Here's an article more repeating what I've heard a million times (including a bartender class):
    https://io9.gizmodo.com/do-different-kinds-of-alcohol-get-you-different-kinds-o-482710477

    So, if TFA is simply repeating people's answer to a survey, then it doesn't disprove the previous line of thinking, and is actually misleading imo.

    People build up tolerance to alcohol over time and can end up drinking more to feel the same "positive" effects that they enjoy.

    Again, another thing I thought was against previous studies. You feel the same effects, but "tolerance" is achieved simply because you are used to feeling these affects, and can attempt to act more normal since you expect them and make an effort to do so.

    • by houghi ( 78078 )

      There is a reason for the sizes of drinks you should get. Each glass has about the same amount of alcohol. So a (real, not light) beer will have about the same as a glas of wiskey and a glass of wine or port.
      The thing is that if you drink stronger drinks; you are most likely to order sooner, this drinking more.
      That is often also the intention that you start to order short drinks.
      And for the English: A pint counts as two.
      For the Bavarians: A Mass iss Fia (4).

    • by dryeo ( 100693 )

      You really think that drinking pure alcohol has the same affect as drinking it with water (which counteracts the dehydration) or drinking it with caffeine (which keeps you more awake) or drinking it with pure sugar (which makes the liver work harder) or drinking it with a touch of methyl hydrate or methanol not to mention tannin (relaxes you)?

  • by thegreatbob ( 693104 ) on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:14AM (#55608811) Journal
    I have a suspicion that they're noticing these differences primarily due to the rate at which the alcohol is initially absorbed; alcohol absorption rate varies with concentration, among other factors. Liquor is quicker, after all, and in more ways than one.
    • That may very well be a factor. It is well known that carbon dioxide speeds up alcohol absorbtion.
      • CO2 speeds up release via the lung. No idea if it increases absorption in the digesting tract.

        • I don't have any references at the moment, but I recall reading that they suspected the increased pressure within the stomach to be a factor, and I personally suspect that the walls of the stomach being stretched to present more surface area to be relevant.
    • I disagree completely. I think the primary factor is the amount of carbohydrate in the beverage- many Native Americans are prone to diabetes from a high carbohydrate diet as well as alcoholism- the metabolic pathways are related.
  • Now they should do a proper double blind study of mary jane to prove what we already know about its effects.

  • ...were found to be alcohol consumers!
  • Kids at a birthday party have been shown to be in a different mood if served sweet soft drinks than if they had been served tepid tap water.

    • And they've been shown to be way easier to handle after being served sweet alcoholic drinks, after merely 15 minutes.

  • Spirits (usually either Kraken Rum, some sort of whiskey, or vodka): mellow and sleepy

    Wine (Blackberry Merlot most of the time): mellow and sleepy

    Beer (Alaskan Amber as first choice): mellow and sleepy

    Add a bowl of weed to any of them: totally zonked out for the next hour; unless it is a dab and I accidentally inhaled as if it was a joint or bowl, then I am dead for a year for tax reasons.

  • Some drinks make people think they're 10000% more hilarious than they really are while others make them think they can fight all the sober people. So in other words, don't drink.
  • If you drink none at all it makes you want to set off a bomb at a concert or drive a van at people crossing a bridge.

  • ethanol vs ethanol?
  • Someone has to spill beer on the server, after all.

  • Ethanol makes me drunk and hangover. t-amyl alcohol is 20x more potent than ethanol and doesn't cause hangovers. Methanol just makes me blind
  • I always said that a brandy / cognac drunk was a mean drunk.

    Looks like I've been right all along.

  • I could of made short work on their research and findings.

  • While pondering how one might actually conduct a double-blind study on something like this, I can't think of much that doesn't somehow involve anesthesia (eliminate distinguishing sensations) or adulterants (not really sure how to homogenize the taste/feel of beer and liquor/etc, especially if one wants to test with carbonation), and I suspect either of these would skew the results.

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