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Weather Channel To Breitbart: Stop Citing Us To Spread Climate Skepticism (weather.com) 588

Breitbart.com published an article last week that erroneously claims global warming is coming to an end, claiming "global land temperatures have plummeted by 1 degree Celsius since the middle of the year -- the biggest and steepest fall on record." The Weather Channel finds this report especially upsetting as it's not only inaccurate but it features a video from weather.com at the top of the article. The Weather Channel reports: Breitbart had the legal right to use this clip as part of a content-sharing agreement with another company, but there should be no assumption that The Weather Company endorses the article associated with it. The Breitbart article -- a prime example of cherry picking, or pulling a single item out of context to build a misleading case -- includes this statement: "The last three years may eventually come to be seen as the final death rattle of the global warming scare." In fact, thousands of researchers and scientific societies are in agreement that greenhouse gases produced by human activity are warming the planet's climate and will keep doing so. Along with its presence on the high-profile Breitbart site, the article drew even more attention after a link to it was retweeted by the U.S. House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. The Breitbart article heavily references a piece that first appeared on U.K. Daily Mail's site. The Weather Channel went on to refute the Breitbart article's hypothesis: This number comes from one satellite-based estimate of temperatures above land areas in the lower atmosphere. Data from the other two groups that regularly publish satellite-based temperature estimates show smaller drops, more typical of the decline one would expect after a strong El Nino event. Temperatures over land give an incomplete picture of global-scale temperature. Most of the planet -- about 70 percent -- is covered by water, and the land surface warms and cools more quickly than the ocean. Land-plus-ocean data from the other two satellite groups, released after the Breitbart article, show that Earth's lower atmosphere actually set a record high in November 2016.
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Weather Channel To Breitbart: Stop Citing Us To Spread Climate Skepticism

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  • You know what? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @10:31PM (#53437405)

    It's getting close to the point that the schadenfreude of seeing morons get their due makes up for the fact that we all will be screwed.

    So by all means lets call climate change a hoax. When the inevitable calamities fall, I suspect the deplorables and Breitbart readers will be disproportionately affected and not only will I not shed a tear but I will kick dirt in their faces.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Narcocide ( 102829 )

      "An eye for an eye" will blind the whole world.

      • Re:You know what? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Grishnakh ( 216268 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @11:44AM (#53440085)

        This is a dumb comment. The AC is not threatening to physically harm anyone in any way, or proposing any kind of punishment for climate deniers to be performed by humans. He's only saying that he'll be happy to see them "hoist by their own petard". There's nothing wrong with feeling satisfaction after watching someone suffer due to their own stupidity and bad decisions, especially when their actions are in fact harmful to the rest of society.

        Honestly, at this point, there's nothing we can do to stop massive climate change because of the deplorables and their mouthpieces like Breitbart. We're not going to change their minds; people like this fundamentally do not believe in science. So the next best thing is to just wait for the apocalypse to happen, and then take satisfaction in watching these morons suffer due to it.

    • by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:06PM (#53437551) Homepage Journal

      It's getting close to the point that the schadenfreude of seeing morons get their due makes up for the fact that we all will be screwed.

      So by all means lets call climate change a hoax. When the inevitable calamities fall, I suspect the deplorables and Breitbart readers will be disproportionately affected and not only will I not shed a tear but I will kick dirt in their faces.

      Ok, so which is more important: everyone in the country slipping into poverty [cbsnews.com] and terrorist attacks from immigrants [cnn.com] next year, or...

      Global warming, only [our] part of which can fixed by us, is driven by political corruption, and won't affect us for a couple of decades?

      Of these issues, political corruption is the biggest impediment to rational climate change action. Getting rid of that has to come first, and only then can we expect to make progress on the other issues.

      Do you think anything would get done under a Clinton administration [huffingtonpost.com]?

      We knew Trump had shortcomings, and still elected him - warts and all. We did it because he promised to fix certain issues that we felt were more important in the near term. Global warming will kill us, but, mass poverty will kill us sooner.

      I'm completely happy taking steps to curb global warming, but a) I want to be safe doing it, and b) I want to eat first.

      Get some perspective. Not everything Trump is going to do will be bad, and you always have 2024 to look forward to.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:15PM (#53437597)

        So... you are completely happy with Trump's choices for his cabinet and advisors? No possible corruption there? Isn't giving people who are unqualified positions of power the textbook definition of corruption?

        Trump took a call based on lobbying work done by Dole on behalf of Taiwan, no corruption there? Imagine Hilary taking the same call?

        How can you be so attuned to political corruption if Hillary's name is attached to it, but blind to Trump's?

        And do you truly believe billionaires would reform the tax code so that poor people are lifted out of poverty? Not just regular filthy rich people but Goldman Sachs alums? Seriously, are you crazy?

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by LordLucless ( 582312 )

          Isn't giving people who are unqualified positions of power the textbook definition of corruption?

          Uh, no? Giving people positions of power in exchange for favours, or due to pre-existing relationships (e.g. nepotism) are textbook definitions of corruption. Their qualification or lack their of is irrelevant to whether the appointment is corrupt or not.

          • by guises ( 2423402 )
            What you're describing is quid pro quo corruption. According to the supreme court, that is the only kind of corruption punishable by law and that decision has probably made it into some textbooks by now. There are other kinds of corruption mentioned in other textbooks, though they no longer have legal weight. For example: appointing an unqualified person to a position of power because that person's actions are likely to benefit you, even though those actions may not be best for the country.
          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @05:50AM (#53438603) Homepage Journal

            True, but Trump does that as well. He gives jobs to friends, people who helped him out and the owner of his favourite media organization. [boingboing.net]

            The guy is incredibly corrupt. His only criteria for assigning jobs seems to be who as bought their way in with favours.

        • by gtall ( 79522 )

          I beg to differ on Taiwan. My own belief is that Trump simply stepped in a pile of shit without malice of forethought or any forethought at all. When the shit hit the fan, his people realized he looked like a bull in a China shop (I should be shot for that reference). His people rummaged about, finally pulling out the Dole connection to make it look like he intentionally went to find the pile, walked up to it, and purposely stepped in it.

          I don't believe his campaign intentionally did anything except as a sh

          • by nasch ( 598556 )

            My own belief is that Trump simply stepped in a pile of shit without malice of forethought or any forethought at all.

            The phrase is actually "malice aforethought".

          • No, you are wrong. It's been planned for months [washingtonpost.com]. Here are some quotes:

            Some of the GOP’s most ardent Taiwan proponents are playing active roles in Trump’s transition team.......Several leading members of Trump’s transition team are considered hawkish on China and friendly toward Taiwan, including incoming chief of staff Reince Priebus.

            It was planned weeks ahead by staffers and Taiwan specialists on both sides, according to people familiar with the plans.

            At the Republican National Convention in July, Trump’s allies inserted a little-noticed phrase into the party’s platform reaffirming support for six key assurances to Taiwan

            Trump did the right thing. China should not be allowed to conquer Taiwan. Why would you think allowing that's a good idea?

      • by grcumb ( 781340 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:34PM (#53437703) Homepage Journal

        Global warming will kill us, but, mass poverty will kill us sooner.

        A) No, poverty won't kill us. Income inequity and the gutting of health, education and social services will kill some people—far too many, to be sure— but mostly it will reduce the quality of life for a generation or so. Undesirable? Yes. Deadly? Not for most people.

        B) The reason for climate action today is not because it's going to affect us today. It's because every day of delay compounds the problem. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're the type of person who changes their oil regularly and sticks to the vehicle maintenance schedule, because ignoring things until they become critical is costly and stupid....

        C) If I have to carry B)'s analogy any further, there's really no point in even responding.

        Not everyone assumes Trump is unalloyed evil. But Breitbart, on the other hand, is deliberately indulging in the kind of corrupt, amoral behaviour you claim that Donald Trump needs to deal with as his first priority.

        [editor's note: Here is where the poster loses his shit at the willful blindness of this defender of the indefensible.]

        In layman's terms, they fucking lie and lie and lie about climate change, and you can't get that through your fucking head. Instead, you defend the very fucking liars you claim are ruining this globe by pooh-poohing the fact that they fucking lied and claiming that the thing they fucking lied about isn't that big a deal.

        Here's the problem with that situation: If you're so fed up with political corruption, why the fuck are you defending the very people who are perpetuating the problem? And don't give me any 'but Hillary' shit. I don't give a flying fuck about Hillary. I don't care if she's the devil. I am specifically concerned that you, sir, are defending liars in your paean to the need to end a culture of corruption. Because I don't fucking get it.

      • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @12:34AM (#53437923) Journal

        I fail to understand why you think Trump will do anything about climate change.

        During the campaign, he said that climate change was a hoax, perpetrated by the Chinese, to make American industry less competitive.

        He has appointed a climate-change denialist to oversee the power-transition at the EPA.

        Recently he has allowed that there may be some connection between climate change and CO2 emissions, and he has met with Al Gore. Encouraging, but weigh that against the above, and his mercurial tendencies when it comes to policy positions.

      • by Motherfucking Shit ( 636021 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @12:49AM (#53437953) Journal

        Of these issues, political corruption is the biggest impediment to rational climate change action. Getting rid of that has to come first, and only then can we expect to make progress on the other issues.

        Ah yes, getting rid of political corruption. Draining the swamp. I'm glad to see Trump is making great strides there, appointing Goldman Sachs alum left and right.

      • by mbone ( 558574 )

        We knew Trump had shortcomings, and still elected him - warts and all. We did it because he promised to fix certain issues that we felt were more important in the near term.

        The perspective that I have is that anyone who believes anything Trump promises has totally lost touch with anything resembling reality. The man burns everyone who trusts him.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by dbIII ( 701233 )

        We did it because he promised

        The slick salesguy promised? Were the operators standing by? Do you get a free set of steak knives with your order?

        political corruption is the biggest impediment

        You thought there wasn't enough of it or something and voted for obvious scum?

        I think compulsory voting would make room for a third party and avoid such obvious mistakes in the future.

      • I'm completely happy taking steps to curb global warming, but a) I want to be safe doing it,

        Safety is an illusion.

        and b) I want to eat first.

        If you want to continue to eat, you're going to do something about it.

        Get some perspective. Not everything Trump is going to do will be bad,

        Literally the only good thing I think might happen is that he might can the TPP. But I'm not even sure that's going to happen. He's hiring the people from the bottom of the swamp so fast that I can believe he will backpedal on literally anything.

      • by sudon't ( 580652 )

        Global warming is not so much driven by corruption, as we're prevented from acting by those who've drunk the "hoax" Kool-Aid. Republican politicians, many of whom admitted privately that they understand the problem, are beholden to their voters. That is the biggest impediment to the Republican Party, and thus the rest of us. But "our part" got fixed under the last administration. If Trump simply does nothing, we'll at least meet the Kyoto goals.
        You have a very short-sighted, not to mention selfish, view of

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @10:39PM (#53437427)

    then our democracy truly is dead. We aren't there yet. I still have hope, but any government that relies on propaganda to gain and hold power is the opposite of a democracy, and that is the road we are traveling toward.

    There are no excuses. Neither candidate or party was that impressive, but one was and clearly is so much worse. No elected representative should ever excuse a single blatant lie just to keep their political capital, let alone the nonsense that is beginning now. We are living in a time when post truth is the word of the year, and not without reason.

    Demand honesty from our politicians. Demand it from our news sources and anything that presents itself as legitimate news. If we have any hope of building a more perfect union, then we have to move past and ever be on guard for lies and deception, and never make excuses for them. We may never get a 100% honest candidate. Sadly I don't think one would make it in politics, but we can at least value that highly and penalize those severely who really do continually violate the public trust.

    • by Curunir_wolf ( 588405 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:13PM (#53437589) Homepage Journal

      then our democracy truly is dead. We aren't there yet. I still have hope, but any government that relies on propaganda to gain and hold power is the opposite of a democracy, and that is the road we are traveling toward.

      "Traveling toward"? Really? Take a look in the rear view mirror, buddy, that fork in the road is WAY back behind you. You've been on the road for a LONG time!

    • if you're not able to tell the difference? Sure, maybe 20 million could and didn't care. But I'd say there's at least 40 million who couldn't...
      • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @12:47AM (#53437949)

        if you're not able to tell the difference? Sure, maybe 20 million could and didn't care. But I'd say there's at least 40 million who couldn't...

        It's more or less the same thing as anything else computer related. Assume anything you read is a lie until proven otherwise. Check the pedigree of any web site you visit. Is the name really spelled correctly? Are you connecting via https as expected? Do not automatically assume just because it is on or linked from some site you visit that it is correct. Check the little i on your address bar to see what the web site is, look for misspellings, etc.

        If you think a story is from a popular web site, but can't tell for sure, then you can always clear your cache and then reload your browser and go directly to the correct site. (Personally, I'd recommend not starting your news search at Facebook and all the rest, but that is another matter.)

        Also, if you haven't already point your router to some legit DNS servers. Do not assume your ISP is providing your valid results. I personally use opendns servers, with google's as backup. It is debatable if I should leave google as the fallback, though it should I think only hit them if opendns fails to respond.

        In fact, a DNS server that does some basic filtering is the first line of defense against a lot of crap, though I doubt it would help much here. Still, it is something. Adding ublock probably doesn't hurt either. A compromised system is liable to show anything fake as real. I suppose you could also make it a point to say reimage with an updated linux distro and keep it updated at least once a year, and of course occasionally change passwords of personal systems. Yearly wouldn't hurt, though i'm doubting much is really compromised that way.

        Beyond all that, people need to double check any suspect or suspicious results. Google will generally tell you pretty quickly if it is a scam. Search for the topic plus scam or fake as a keyword and 24 hours or something like that. Of course you also have to be wary about fake sites saying real news is a scam, so always check the sources. One thing to be especially wary of is well established narratives. A lie is easier to believe if you can link it to a pattern of other similar things, but in today's world it is possible that pattern was made up of a string of false stories, with one lie building on the previous. Oddly enough wikipedia usually seems to be relatively neutral, eventually, though you may see wild edits on some things before an article is locked down. Check the revision history. If the article suddenly changed tone, well I think you can look at the author's other edits.

        Look for the reason behind the likely lies. Sometimes it is not entirely obvious. There was probably enough fake news generated this election to shift the election for no other reason that to harvest the click money. Of course much of it had darker reasons, and some of it was brought attention to for darker purposes. As you might have read in a story like Naruto, Learn to look underneath the underneath. If you see a story that politician x is responsible for running a child slaver ring, well, unless you see it on a legit site complete with the police in pursuit, then suspect it is bs. Also, think things through. Is politician X stupid? Is he or she basically competent and intelligent? If so, why exactly would they be doing something so guaranteed to destroy their whole career? Occasionally Anthony Weiner's do happen, but it is certainly the kind of thing you want to double check.

        Look for evidence of editing. Is a clip suspiciously short? Can you find the full length version? Was their context missing? Does the source have a reputation for editing things deceptively? Is the source credible at all? What other kinds of stories has the source been responsible in the past? It sholdn't be hard to check.

        Actually even if you can't find a way to disprove a current story right away, you can often find reason to doubt

      • They didn't care that lies were told because they decided that their top priority was to get their guy elected, higher priority than doing what's right for their fellow citizens or the country. This is the worst aspect of politics, which already has so many negatives. The partisans pick sides and defend them no matter what, no matter how wrong they are, no matter how much it hurts, they assume that the only thing that matters is winning. It's like when the US made allies with some of the most brutal dict

        • by locofungus ( 179280 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @08:45AM (#53439107)

          they assume that the only thing that matters is winning

          This is, unfortunately, an inherent trait in humans.

          There was, many years ago, a "competition" in Scientific American to win up to $1M

          The rules were:
          1. Random draw from all the entries received
          2. You could enter as many times as you liked - to make this easier you could write multiple entries on a single postcard. (write the number of entries you wanted to submit on your postcard)
          3. Final prize was $1M divided by the total number of entries.

          It was estimated that there was in the order of 10K readers of the column. (Actually I think it was less than this but I can't be bothered to try and track down the columns again now) There had also been a detailed discussion of the prisoners dilemma and other related problems in the previous weeks.

          It's immediately obvious that to win $1M you need to be the only entrant and send in a postcard with a single entry on it.

          If every subscriber sent in a single postcard with a single entry on it then someone would win of the order of $100.

          But some people sent in huge numbers - the postcard filled with '9's. Others went one better and put a 9 and then filled the postcard with '!'s (factorial). Others went even further.

          IIRC the author (Douglas Hofstadter) wasn't actually able to determine who the winner was. He lacked the ability to randomly select from the total number of entries. He couldn't even tell which of the numbers was actually the largest.

          However, whoever won, the number of entries was so large that the prize was zero for all intents and purposes.

          Some people got it - some wrote in to say that they hadn't submitted an entry because they had metaphorically "tossed a coin" and lost and so allowed someone else to win a bigger prize. But so many people were more interested in winning nothing than someone winning something.

    • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

      Demand it from our news sources and anything that presents itself as legitimate news. I

      Put in a bit of work - make a list of companies who advertise on (for example) Breitbart, then divide that list into companies whose products you buy (or might buy), and those whose products don't interest you.

      Write a letter (a letter, not an email, not a phone call) to the PR departments of those in the first category, and tell them that you will not buy their products while they advertise on Breitbart, and their compe

  • Idiocrocy, here we come. Electrolytes!
    • by hambone142 ( 2551854 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:04PM (#53437537)

      People want Brawndo!

      People want to read their news on Facebook as long as reading that dull news tells us what to think.

      News shouldn't take too long to read (maybe 10 seconds or so) because I need to get my latte at Starbucks and when I'm waiting in line, my attention span is short.
      It must have a headline starting with "your jaw will drop ...." and have some ditz with big boobs or a deck of credit cards fanned out.

      Walter Cronkite would have wanted it that way.

  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:01PM (#53437525) Homepage Journal

    Skepticism is doubt.

    Unqualified disbelief is just another kind of orthodoxy.

  • Obvious solution, is to play climate science videos when the http referer matches breitbart... Of course such a thing should only kick in after the first 100 views...

  • by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @11:21PM (#53437625) Homepage

    My, cherry picking data to support a pre-existing conclusion? Where did anyone get that idea? Oh, right the mainstream media uses this tactic all the time.

    If we were only as skeptic and hostile towards the MSM as we were towards alternative media and citizen journalists. The MSM is frightened as it has never been frightened before. People are reading the news without their hostile filter and it's a scary new world out there. What's the point of being a journalist if you can't bias reality in the guise of "providing context"? They went to J-school to change the world, not to be some kind of impartial fact recorder, like a baseball umpire calling balls and strikes.

    "Media which got everything wrong will now tell you all the things that will happen as a result of the thing they said wouldn't happen."

    -- Dave Rubin

  • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

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    • by Mashiki ( 184564 ) <mashiki&gmail,com> on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @01:19AM (#53438037) Homepage

      When neoconservatives spread outright fabrications and lies about obamacare, nobody took the time to correct them.

      You mean like it would be astronomically expensive? That rates would go up, that you'd never keep your doctor? That health plans would disappear? That yes Virginia, death panels really do exist? Oh...those lies. That turned out to be facts, but the media wouldn't report on them.

      • ... death panels ...

        Wow there really is no conspiracy so nutso you won't fall for it. Also, jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but the power sources used by the Lizard-men can.

        Can you provide me a link now which is utterly unrelated to the pint you're trying to prove? Pretty please?

    • by dbIII ( 701233 )
      Trump declared war on the media and some of them have accepted his challenge. An MIT journalism professor had a lot of interesting things to say about it in a radio interview but I've lost track of details (no summary or transcript on the net). I'm sure more on this topic will turn up.
  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Wednesday December 07, 2016 @02:22AM (#53438185)

    Years ago, I came here for insightful and informative exchange of arguments on a topic.Not that long ago, it was for witty and cynical but still topic commentary.

    Today, all I come for is to watch the entertaining, ballistic mud slinging of Trump supporters and opponents. Independent of topic. But climate change themes sure add another layer of vitriol to it.

    In movie terms, I came for the documentaries, stayed for the mocumentaries and now I'm here for the Michael Bay popcorn flick. I used to care about the story, but today, all I watch are the explosions, whether there is a script anymore or not isn't important, I'm just here to watch the pretty pictures and don't give a shit about the content anymore.

    • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

      Years ago, I came here for insightful and informative exchange of arguments on a topic.Not that long ago, it was for witty and cynical but still topic commentary.

      I can't remember ever seeing the amount of politiking that has been happening on /. lately, perhaps this is some new phase. Slashdot was discussing climate change long before Al Gore came onto the scene because it was science. There is only so much you can read before you say you accept that something is happening beyond the immediacy of your own senses.

      I think because the coal and oil industry have so much resources they can buy or make any study they want, it confuses those in denial about the science in

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