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Moon Transportation

Russia Begins Work On a Lunar Lander (examiner.com) 93

MarkWhittington writes: Whether and when Russia will try to send cosmonauts to the moon is an open question. The Putin government has heavily slashed spending on the Russian space program, a measure brought on by declining oil and gas revenues. But, as Popular Mechanics reports, Russian engineers have gone ahead and have started to design a lunar lander for the eventual Russian lunar surface effort. When money is going to be forthcoming for such a vehicle is unknown, though Russia could partner with another country with lunar ambitions, such as China or the European Union.
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Russia Begins Work On a Lunar Lander

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  • by N3wsByt3 ( 758224 ) on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @07:31PM (#51435303) Journal

    I, for one, hail our Russian Mooning Overlords!

  • by rmdingler ( 1955220 ) on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @07:37PM (#51435341) Journal
    It's important to Russia to matter. Putin's goal is to continue to advance the self worth of a nation on its heels from the dissolution of a superpower.

    This is good, because it opens up opportunities for cooperation with the proud Russian people that might not have existed at 80 Euro oil.

    The sooner we cease petty tribal conflicts here on earth, the sooner we can get on with hating life forms on other worlds.

    • The sooner we cease petty tribal conflicts here on earth, the sooner we can get on with hating life forms on other worlds.

      There are no life forms from other worlds that we will ever have to directly deal with. We know there is nothing within our solar system that is any danger to us. Interstellar space is too large and too hostile to life to make transport possible for any kind of life to get here or for us to get there, ever. So, your wish will never come to be.... Maybe we can stop hating, but I seriously doubt we are up to that.

      • The sooner we cease petty tribal conflicts here on earth, the sooner we can get on with hating life forms on other worlds.

        There are no life forms from other worlds that we will ever have to directly deal with. We know there is nothing within our solar system that is any danger to us. Interstellar space is too large and too hostile to life to make transport possible for any kind of life to get here or for us to get there, ever. So, your wish will never come to be.... Maybe we can stop hating, but I seriously doubt we are up to that.

        Come on. We could stop hating instantly.

        We would simply have to give in to our innate sense of fairness and develop the ability to utilize our empathy skillset.

        • The sooner we cease petty tribal conflicts here on earth, the sooner we can get on with hating life forms on other worlds.

          There are no life forms from other worlds that we will ever have to directly deal with. We know there is nothing within our solar system that is any danger to us. Interstellar space is too large and too hostile to life to make transport possible for any kind of life to get here or for us to get there, ever. So, your wish will never come to be.... Maybe we can stop hating, but I seriously doubt we are up to that.

          Come on. We could stop hating instantly.

          I don't think the nature of mankind has that capacity and history is chuck full of examples of hate being expressed by mankind. Where I believe that individuals may overcome their propensity to hate and stand as an inspiration to others in this regard, I also recognize that each person is born with the propensity to be selfish, uncaring which is the precursor to hate. It's here to stay.

      • Fortunately you are wrong. Interstellar travel could be possible with current technology, just the investment would be massive and the people picked to travel would likely be on a suicide mission. Don't discount the discovery of future technology. We know barely the basics of physics. Though interstellar travel is certainly difficult it is not impossible.

        • Oh it's impossible...

          I suppose Einstein might be wrong and we might discover a way to go faster than light, but until we have even a hint that there are cracks in the theory of relativity any ideas that we might be able to traverse the void of interstellar space and survive even one way is no more than wishful thinking. Even a one way trip will take to long and the environment of space will render the space craft junk and it's contents lifeless before they could possibly get to anyplace that can support li

      • While you're probably correct, making declarative statements about things you can't possibly know about because of your minuscule sphere of experience is a fool's game.

        • This isn't all that hard to understand. The environment of Space is deadly, it kills all life. You have to carry along a little bit of earth to make living in space possible and doing this long term, without resupply from earth is not possible. We may be able to move around in the Solar system and scavenge resources here and there, but interstellar space is generally huge and empty, devoid of all material. Think of it as a huge, bottomless void between solar systems, much like a moat isolated a castle, s

  • That's interesting, because Russia itself announced they were postponing their lunar ambitions [blogspot.com] for a long time due to the economic crisis they are facing due to low oil prices, costs of fighting in Syria and Ukraine and the fact they abolished/reformed ROSCOSMOS into a state corporation [blogspot.com] with an emphasis on profit making. Besides, in aerospace circles, going back to the 1990s, being profiled in PM was considered the 'kiss of death.'
  • by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @08:12PM (#51435595) Journal
    On it. And while Russia uses disposable, America's will be reusable. Sadly mark Whittington is all about BS and never about facts.
  • by Michael Woodhams ( 112247 ) on Wednesday February 03, 2016 @08:19PM (#51435631) Journal

    Poll 1: Which nation/organization do you think will be next to land people on the moon?
    * China (CNSA)
    * USA (NASA)
    * Japan (JAXA)
    * Europe (ESA)
    * India (ISRO)
    * Russia (RFSA)
    * North Korea (KCST)
    * Privately funded (e.g. SpaceX, Blue Origin or Cowboy Neal without direct state support) (ETLA)

    Poll 2: Which nation/organization do you want be next to land people on the moon?
    (same options)

  • It's a box full of monkeys with the words "peekaboo perfect space explore!" written on the side.

  • Just to be precise: the European Space Agency (ESA) is not part of the European Union.

    The former is about science and the later about forcing neoliberalism through unwilling People's throats. Current EU rules would probably forbid the creation of a ESA-like thing today.

    But to be fair, EU also contribute to ESA budget.

  • by Robotbeat ( 461248 ) on Thursday February 04, 2016 @12:14AM (#51436683) Journal

    Honestly, Russia is in the enviable position of already having the critical parts needed for a crewed lunar mission.

    They have Soyuz for crewed launches, Proton for heavy uncrewed, plus Angara coming on line to replace the troublesome Proton. Soyuz was originally designed for lunar missions, and could be fairly simply modified for lunar return. Russia also regularly does propellant transfer and autonomous docking and have a large array of storable-propellant upper stages to use, so they could launch the lander partially filled using Proton into a distant lunar orbit and refuel and/or reposition using a Progress vehicle (perhaps tweaked to allow bigger propellant tanks).

    Soyuz could dock with a couple of full Briz-M stages in LEO, push out a lunar orbit and meet with the pre-place lander. ...I suspect Russia will not build a mega-rocket like SLS. They don't need to, since they're very good at docking and propellant transfer (something they do regularly on ISS). Which is good because they don't exactly have a lot of money right now.

  • "Yes?"
    "The race to put a man on the moon is over. You lost. Loser!"

  • >> Russia Begins Work On a Lunar Lander

    Landing is easy. Now try building something that can re-launch itself back OFF the moon and I'll be impressed.

  • ... despite the aspirations of some politicians.

  • No, the European Union is not a country.

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