The Impossibility of Colonizing the Galaxy 979
OriginalArlen writes "The science fiction writer Charlie Stross has written an excellent and comprehensive explanation of why, thousands of SF books, movies, and games notwithstanding, human colonization of other star systems is impossible. Although interstellar colonization seems common-sensical to many, Charlie makes a clear-headed and unarguable case, so far as I can see, that it ain't gonna happen without a 'magic wand' or two. Nevertheless it would be interesting to see reasoned responses from the community who believe that colonization is not merely possible, but inevitable — and even, as Hawking has said, vital for the survival of the species. So, who's right — Hawking or Stross?"
Assertions (Score:5, Informative)
They are not saying opposite things, one is saying that we can't colonize other solar systems, the other that we must. They are probably both true.
Executive summary (Score:5, Informative)
Using "the high frontier" and appeals to settler gumption and heroic individualism isn't the right paradigm; if it's going to happen we need to abandon certain cherished illusions (dwelt on at length) and start doing some hard thinking about what we really want.
Re:Can we get the tech to continuously accelerate? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Clarke's first law (Score:4, Informative)
I think the current view is that the efficiency of these things is questionable at best.
Suspended animation
It will requires several miracles in molecular biology before we can hibernate the way other mammals can. And no known organism larger than a microbe can survive for the durations interstellar travel will require.
Generation ships
Requires the ability to do space construction on a large scale, which requires a thriving space industrial presence, which requires several miracles down here first.
Impossible? (Score:5, Informative)
Very bad summary, subbie.
Re:Clarke's first law (Score:5, Informative)
It already exists. Cooling water to 250 K (-23 C) at 3000 bars will do the job. Unfortunately, the pressure rather than the ice crystals will kill a human being at that type of pressure.
Impossible isn't what he said (Score:3, Informative)
FWIW, he neglected (not missed, merely skimmed over) "MacroLife", which would allow glactic colonization without magic beyond nuclear fusion...but *wouldn't* be particularly economic. Perhaps.
Since the MacroLife concept isn't widely spoken of, let me elucidate:
1) You build a space-based factory.
2) You build a colony nearby to manage it.
3) People get comfortable living in the colony, and enlarge it, and make it self-sufficient.
4) There's a political dispute.
5) People living in the colony attach an engine, and depart slowly for "elsewhere".
6) You don't want a tremendously high speed, because you collect materials along the way.
This will require large numbers of technical advances. Closed cycle life support systems are only one of many, but the only one that approaches "magic wand" status is controlled fusion. (I don't think that fission would suffice. Refueling would be too difficult.)
Note:
1) This is slow.
2) This isn't something that one intentionally creates.
3) Most of the colonies will probably decide to stay put. That's fine, while in situ they provide a net economic gain.
4) Espect to have, perhaps, 5 colonies departing / century on an average, with a fairly large population of colonies.
5) The motives will be political or religious rather than economic. Those who leave must be prepared to suffer a considerable economic hardship.
6) The colonies need to contain a viable population. This probably means 5,000 people and a staic population...though various work-arounds are possible.
Conterindicators: Advanced robotics would probably mean that the space colony wouldn't be overseeing the running of the space factory, but it might be a way for an initially wealthy group to excape overpopulation, and the associated governmental restraints. Or there might be other motives. Or there might not. This whole thing could be a "could have happened, but didn't".
mundane SF proponent? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Both right? (Score:3, Informative)
He's not exactly what we would call a stranger to the concept of the Singularity... [accelerando.org]
If I've skimmed TFA correctly, what he's saying is that it's Post-Humans that are going to go afield; Not what we today call "humans."
Re:Both right? (Score:4, Informative)
No, that was a myth created by ignorant journalists. From http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4219/Chapter3.html [nasa.gov]:
The same source also notes:
Re:Leave science to the scientists (Score:4, Informative)
Even here on Earth, most infectious microbes infect one or maybe a handful of species. The really promiscuous ones infect a bunch of closely related species. Now consider that from a cellular biology point of view (that is, the microbe's) most of the organisms on the planet are nearly identical.
You expect to step out on an alien planet and have the local microbes go "ooh, human! We've been waiting for this!"??
Re:Both right? (Score:5, Informative)
sigh No, they did not prove that c is a variable. c is still a constant as far as we can tell--the fact that light doesn't always travel at c in specific circumstances is useful information that in no way disproves Einstein's theories. Like a Star Trek writer, you're substituting enthusiasm for knowledge. Enthusiasm does not change reality.
The ones behing killing people were upholding a religious consensus--even the ancient Greeks knew the world was round.
And the people who do these things are the hard-headed types who accept reality and deal with it honestly. Sheer enthusiasm makes you that guy jumping off your roof with a 5-winged human-powered flying machine.
Re:Both right? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Can we get the tech to continuously accelerate? (Score:5, Informative)
(To work this out, compute how much momentum would be transferred to a 1kg object undergoing a 1g acceleration for a year, which I make to be about 309264480 kgm/s, and then solve the Lorentz equations [wikipedia.org] to compute the velocity relative to the initial "rest" frame from the momentum. Trivial really.)
Re:Leave science to the scientists (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Can we get the tech to continuously accelerate? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:1800's logic though that travelling100MPH=death (Score:0, Informative)
Re:Both right? (Score:2, Informative)
Actually since the speed of light has been measured for the first time t has declined by about 4%. The speed of light is determined by the medium it traverses. Space is not empty, but has certain electromagnetic properties. As space has expanded from the time of the big bang, its properties have changed dramatically. By a factor of at least 300 million or more. Light used to travel MUCH faster through the denser space of long ago.
Therefore any equation that has a "constant" in it that relates to "c" will be different accordingly.
Re:1800's logic though that travelling100MPH=death (Score:2, Informative)
It's cool and trippy but useful as a Star Trek communicator it is not. It has applications for encryption though.
-Physics student.
Re:Both right? (Score:3, Informative)