Vatican Rejects Intelligent Design? 2345
typobox43 writes "A Vatican representative has expressed a defense of the theory of evolution, stating that it is "perfectly compatible" with the Genesis story of creation. "The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator"." Of course, it'd probably be best if fundmentalists actually talked to, say, the rabbis who wrote the whole thing down. The Orthodox rabbis I've spoken find it amazingly amusing that people take the creation story as literal truth, rather then a story about YHWH's power.
Thanks (Score:5, Funny)
As seen on TV (Score:5, Funny)
Am I the only person (Score:3, Funny)
TOOI (reposted!) (Score:5, Funny)
Mr. Science: "Today, class, we are going to test the Theory Of Our Own Ignorance, sometimes also known as Intelligent Design, or ID. OK, who wants to volunteer?"
Johnny: "I will, Mr. Science!"
Mr. Science: "Fine, Johnny. Now, I want you to look at this bird. Do you know what kind of bird this is Johnny?"
Johnny: "Yes, sir. It is a finch."
Mr. Science: "Very good, Johnny! Now, can you tell me how the wings of this bird came to be?"
Johnny: "I suspect that they grew, Mr. Science."
Mr. Science: "No, no, Johnny. I mean, do you know how the wings of this finch evolved?
Johnny: "Gosh, no. No, I don't."
Mr. Science: "Very good, Johnny! You have confirmed my test."
Johnny: "What test is that, Mr. Science?"
Mr. Science: "I was testing to see if you knew how the wings of this bird evolved. The Theory Of Our Own Ignorance predicted that you would not know, and since you did not, this validates our theory - that we do not know how this bird developed wings!"
Class: "Awesome!"
Sorry, (Score:5, Funny)
The fundimentalists stopped listening to Jews in A.D 33
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:2, Funny)
I know, use the PET PSYCHIC!!! (Score:5, Funny)
nevermind
Re:A few points (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:5, Funny)
well, compared with the people/beings they usually communicate with, surely it would be easy to talk to someone who did actually exist once?
Re:Evolution isn't a theory about the start of lif (Score:3, Funny)
Proof: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5001/5001_01.
(make this post either +5 flamebait or -1 informative please.)
Re:I don't see the big deal behind intelligent des (Score:5, Funny)
Theories can't be merged because evolution uses slashot forum system and ID uses UBB forum system. Posts are incompatbile with each other.
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
My God... (Score:2, Funny)
"If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times; stop spouting your bullshit and RTFM!!!"
-- Cardinal Paul Poupard, denouncing Intelligent Design
Re:Attack the messenger (please) (Score:5, Funny)
So what, they should be used to it. Bring me some lions!
Re:I don't see the big deal behind intelligent des (Score:3, Funny)
i believe in elves!
Re:A little offtopic (Score:5, Funny)
Link: http://www.skepticfiles.org/atheist/asimovdo.htm [skepticfiles.org]
It's Easy (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Attack the messenger (please) (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I know, use the PET PSYCHIC!!! (Score:5, Funny)
I just had an image of Elmer Fudd pointing his gun at an Orthodox Jew with a Bronx accent who then jumps down a hole... man, I am just not getting enough sleep these days.
Duck Season! Rabbi Season! Duck Season!
Re:Attack the messenger (please) (Score:5, Funny)
Ah yes, the Intelligent Designer who didn't realize that Adam would need a mate.
It's so plausible!
Now tell me the one about the talking snake.
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:2, Funny)
Which, if true, must have been very depressing to Moses, since his death is recorded in the second of the the five books.
Re:Attack the messenger (please) (Score:5, Funny)
Re:A few points (Score:2, Funny)
does this mean you get spam from the catholic church? Or do they have a different registration process?
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:2, Funny)
Really? If you were a Catholic or Fundamentalist, I would think that "this shit is not working" is a considerably less worrisome outcome than "hey, it worked! Now I'm going to burn in Hell forever for practicing witchcraft."
Re:Exactly! (Score:3, Funny)
YES! I agree, well said.
"In other words, the fundies are taking a text they did NOT write, and they claim to be the only ones who know the correct interpretation (i.e. claiming to be something equivalent to a Pope). Under what basis? With what authority?"
YES! I agree, well said.
"As a catholic..."
Um, look at the time...
ARGH... too many theories! (Score:3, Funny)
I'm so confused....
Re:Science and religion (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Thanks (Score:5, Funny)
No problem. That whole intelligent design idea never worked quite right. In the end it was just too brittle. Then one day I was near a river and saw haw the water would adapt its flow to accomodate the shape of the rocks and sediment, and it just hit me. How simple! If I let everything adapt then I don't have to figure it all out in advance! It will take care of itself. Let me tell you, that was one happy moment. I started to shout "eureka" and run around naked, but then I thought "no, I'll let someone else have that."
How It Happened (Score:5, Funny)
My brother began to dictate in his best oratorical style, the one
which has the tribes hanging on his words.
"In the beginning," he said, "exactly fifteen point two billion
years ago, there was a big bang and the Universe--"
But I had stopped writing. "Fifteen billion years ago?" I said
incredulously.
"Absolutely," he said. "I'm inspired."
"I don't question your inspiration," I said. (I had better not.
He's three years younger than I am, but I don't try questioning his
inspiration. Neither does anyone else or there's hell to pay.) "But are
you going to tell the story of Creation over a period of fifteen billion
years?"
"I have to," said my brother. "That's how long it took. I have it
all here," he tapped his forehead, "and it's on the very highest authority."
By now I had put down my stylus. "Do you know the price of
papyrus?" I said.
"What?" (He may be inspired but I frequently noticed that the
inspiration didn't include such sordid matters as the price of papyrus.)
I said, "Suppose you describe one million years of events to each
roll of papyrus. That means you'll have to fill fifteen thousand rolls.
You'll have to talk long enough to fill them and you know that you begin to
stammer after a while. I'll have to write enough to fill them and my fingers
will fall off. And even if we can afford all that papyrus and you have the
voice and I have the strength, who's going to copy it? We've got to have a
guarantee of a hundred copies before we can publish and without that where
will we get the royalties from?"
My brother thought a while. He said, "You think I ought to cut it
down?"
"Way down," I said, "if you expect to reach the public."
"How about a hundred years?" he said.
"How about six days?" I said.
He said, horrified, "You can't squeeze Creation into six days."
I said, "This is all the papyrus I have. What do YOU think?"
"Oh well," he said, and began to dictate again, "In the beginning --
Does it have to be six days, Aaron?"
I said, firmly, "Six days, Moses."
Re:Attack the messenger (please) (Score:2, Funny)
Taking that Law, we can now turn to the most famous equation in the world, E=MC^2. This states that Energy is equals to Matter, times the square of a Constant. Energy and Matter are interchangable: Energy can turn into Matter, Matter can turn into Energy. When combined with the Principle of Conservation of Energy, you get this statement:
"Energy AND Matter can neither be created nor destroyed."
Now that we have established that, we can turn to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states:
"All work processes tend towards a greater entropy (disorder/lower energy density) over time."
The universe is getting more disordered and more simplified, as dictated by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. However, the theory of Evolution has the basic principle that everything is getting more organized and more complex.
My arguments summarized:
1. The Big Bang cannot be true as it contradicts the First Law of Thermodynamics.
2. Evolution cannot be true as it contradicts the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
My opinion on the universe:
1. The universe started as a complex and orderly living entity, which, over time, began to expand. As it aged, it began to expand, and the life began to DEVOLVE until it reached our current state, humans. You can even witness this devolving process. Think. 10 or so years ago, we didn't have so many hurricanes, earthquakes, or other devastating natural disasters. People are becoming stupider by the day.
2. As for where the entire mass of atoms came from, either there is a God(which is possible), or the universe has always existed, and there in some incomprehensible way, time started a billion years back, and the universe came into existence with time. And remember this. There might be something larger than a universe...
References:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/6e.h tml [physicalgeography.net] f .html [nasa.gov] d ynamics [wikipedia.org] d ynamics.html [christiananswers.net]
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/thermo1
http://www.taftan.com/thermodynamics/FIRST.HTM [taftan.com]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermo
http://www.entropysite.com/students_approach.html [entropysite.com]
http://www.secondlaw.com/ [secondlaw.com]
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/370.asp [answersingenesis.org]
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermo
This is what I understand the laws to mean...if I'm wrong, by all means, correct me...
Re:Exactly! (Score:4, Funny)
Listen, Catholics aren't Christians [chick.com] ...or Americans. Enjoy the pit, Benedict! MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
Someone has been reading. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Why Christians should abhor ID (Score:5, Funny)
There was no octopus, spider, bee, or ant on Noah's ark... Again, this is only implied. But the bible is meant to be taken purely at face value, right?
This presents and interesting concept.
Yahweh (to the other gods): Hey guys, I need to reformat the Earth. Any objections?
Other gods: No, just make sure you back up our stuff.
Yahweh: Okay, no problem. I'll just have this guy named Noah take care of it.
(Forty days later)
Yahweh (to the god who created unicorns): Um.... I have some bad news....
On another note, I have often expressed the idea that there is ample evidence of multiple gods.... Look at the universe and tell me, honestly, that this doesn't look like the work of a committee.
Re:Exactly! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Exactly! (Score:5, Funny)
Pretty soon, we'll call them "Uneducated."
It's been a while... (Score:2, Funny)
But, I for one welcome our Intelligent Designing overlords!
Re:Designed by WHO? (Score:1, Funny)
The Babelfish is proof of the non-existance of God.
God: I refuse to prove I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.
Man: but the babelfish is a dead giveaway isnt it? it could not have evolved by chance. it proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you dont.
God: oh dear, i hadnt thought of that.
*God disappears in a puff of logic.*
Re:Thanks (Score:3, Funny)
Just to be clear... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:3, Funny)
I'll see your Jesus and raise you a Spock.
CB.
Slashdot has been religioned (Score:4, Funny)
1217 and counting...
Re:Science and religion (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Science and religion (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Talk to those that wrote it down? (Score:2, Funny)
[yep. I'm a non-believer]
Re:I know, use the PET PSYCHIC!!! (Score:2, Funny)