Japanese Inventor's Motor Uses 80% Less Power 1095
novakane007 writes "A Japanese inventor named Kohei Minato has created a new kind of motor. It uses magnetism to perpetuate the motor motion. As a result the motors uses 80% less energy than a conventional motor, while still maintaing the same horsepower. "Minato assures us that he hasn't transcended the laws of physics. The force supplying the unexplained extra power out is generated by the magnetic strength of the permanent magnets embedded in the rotor. 'I'm simply harnessing one of the four fundamental forces of nature,' he says."
On top of the energy savings the motor runs cool to the touch and is significantly quieter than a tradtitionally powered fan. Sound to good to be true? Well he's already started selling the fan to a chain of convience stores in Japan. Hopefully soon the design will make it in to your home PC, allowing them to run much quieter."
*MAGNETIC* fans in my PC? (Score:4, Funny)
Porcelain engine running on water (Score:5, Funny)
Practical applications... (Score:2, Funny)
Mm hm (Score:1, Funny)
I NEED MY LITHIUM!!!! (Score:2, Funny)
Only 20% of the power of a conventional motor? The next glaringly obvious step is to figure out a way to make CPUs out of these motors. Rather than GHz, they would be rated on RPMs. Dell will market them as the "Magnetron". These next generation computers will never randomly fall from desks as the gyroscopic effect of the motorized CPU will keep it firmand will as its own fan! The Intel 9600 RPM Gyrotron TFB (Titanium Fan Blades) and the budget Intel 5400 RPM Cyclotron CPS (Cheap Plastic Shit)
BAhahaah!@!@@ I'm a frickin' genius! I'll be a trillionaire and all you slackers will still be reading
threat to national security (Score:5, Funny)
Porcelain engine running on water (Score:5, Funny)
By the way, the porcelain engine with water? I've got one in my bathroom. It turns on when you flip a metal lever.
I'm looking at the pictures.... (Score:4, Funny)
It'll need a big case, in any event.
Magnetic Fan (Score:2, Funny)
Re:*MAGNETIC* fans in my PC? (Score:5, Funny)
Exactly how did you think that an electric motor functions? The electrons don't line up all nice and pretty and start pushing the armature around and around. Their dizzying speed doesn't induce a partial vacuum that drags the armature around in its wake. No siree, Bob. They're enslaved to make a magnetic field that alternates attraction and repulsion against a set of fixed magnets.
Magnets! They're everywhere! Argh!
Re:Impressive (Score:5, Funny)
Which is entirely possible - what they don't say is how slow it goes
What would be impressive is getting that golfcart from 0 to 100 in 6 seconds.
Re:But... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Definitely a violation (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Just to be clear.. (Score:3, Funny)
What will come next, dogs mating with cats?!?!
Re:I NEED MY LITHIUM!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
<voice style="scott-evil">
Ripoff! Magnetrons are what make microwaves work! What'll they do next--put a "laser" on the moon and call it the "Alan Parsons Project"?
</voice>
Re:Possibly not... (Score:3, Funny)
I recently invented just such an engine that taps into new unexplained laws of physics. I think that you are just the sort of investor I need to have this project take off. Please send your bank account number.
Henry
P.S. There may be some scoffers, but what is to say that I'm wrong? After all you are reading this on the internet. It must be true.
Dogs and cats (Score:4, Funny)
Venkman: "Or you could accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of Biblical proportions."
Mayor: "What do you mean, Biblical?
Ray: "What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor. Real wrath-of-God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky. Rivers and seas boiling."
Egon: "Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes."
Winston: "The dead rising from the grave."
Venkman: "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria."
Toyota Prius (Score:5, Funny)
If I calculated correctly, not a Toyota Prius outfitted with one of these motors would excrete 1.3 litres of gasoline every 20 miles. (it is beyond a matter of getting "great gas mileage": the car would put out more gasoline than it takes in).
That depends... (Score:2, Funny)
Where does the energy come from to levitate the magnets? The magnets? Nope. They'll keep on going until you disturb the order present in the magnets by way of a more intense magnetic field, heating up the material past it's curie point, or giving it a sudden, violent impact. Minato's device is little different from the levitating magnets in what is going on.
This is perpetual motion in another guise.. (Score:5, Funny)
I explained that energy in a system worked like a bank account (bank guard -remember?) You put energy in and you can take it back out, but you can't get quite as much back out as you put in because there was a service charge in the form of friction. He begrudgingly understood. I complemented him on his nice drawings.
"In this house we obey the law of thermodymanics" - Homer Simpson
Easy. (Score:5, Funny)
You can get them at Radio Shack.
They are on the same shelf as the Flux Capacitors.
Re:Right next to the disk drive... (Score:5, Funny)
You're new here, aren't you?
How I power my fan in Japan (Score:3, Funny)
Magnets are so old school.
Re:Just to be clear.. (Score:2, Funny)
I'm dating a japanese woman, does this count? (Score:2, Funny)
First, there is a mini-windmill that is attached to the hood of your car.
Then a gear steps the RPM up, which powers a fan in the back of your car to push it!
I swear, once you get up to 30 mph, you don't need anymore gas! It's all about aerodynamics, I swear!
Hey man (Score:1, Funny)
I don't know what you're doing with a huge magnetic generator, but I suggest you run fcsk.
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:4, Funny)
With an input of 540 watts and an output of ~1.57 KW (when hooking the motor to a generator) all you need to do is split the output of the generator between the motor and some other load, and your generator is now powering the motor that drives it and up to ~1KW load. That's 1KW of free energy!
I think it has a very high likelihood of being BS, but if it's not, then hell... I can't wait to see it! Live-off-the-grid time for me!
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:2, Funny)
Yuk yuk, very apropos double entendre.
I call Shenanigans (Score:4, Funny)
This sentence pretty much tells you this is another perpetual motion hoax:
With the help of magnetic propulsion, it is feasible to attach a generator to the motor and produce more electric power than was put into the device. Minato says that average efficiency on his motors is about 330 percent.
Wooo-Hooo we can replace coal, oil and nuclear by just string these things together like Christmas tree bulbs!
The other clue that this is a scam is the entourage of bankers and investors to the demos, not physicists and engineers.
Joining us are a middle-aged banker and his entourage from Osaka and accounting and finance consultant Yukio Funai. The banker is doing a quick review for an investment, while the rest of us just want to see if Minato's magnetic motors really work. A prototype car air conditioner cooler sitting on a bench looks like it would fit into a Toyota Corolla and quickly catches our attention
Re:Amazing idea (Score:3, Funny)
What? Name one. Oh, wait. [alexchiu.com]
Nevermind.
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:2, Funny)
Well, it does come from japan.com. I wonder when it will make it to us.com, and if europe.com has any interest in it.
BTB, it's Slashdotted ATM so I can't even read it.
You forgot the savings account (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Porcelain engine running on water (Score:2, Funny)
You're full of shit. Wait, sorry, no, your 'motor' is... time to flush the engine, I guess?
Lisa (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Right next to the disk drive... (Score:5, Funny)
Computer chips contain very little space pixie smoke, and must be heated to staggering temperatures to get it released. I did, however manage to make a UV-erasable PROM glow (UV erasable chips have a little window in the top so you can see the actual chip through the case, and thus expose it to UV) once by accidentally connecting the power supply to one of the data pins. Just like a little lightbulb, all those tiny circuits worked nicely as a filament.
Re:Possibly not... (Score:3, Funny)
Llamas as in the South American camel?
I've been in South America for 5 years, and if there are any invisible llamas here, I certainly haven't seen them.
Re:In this article, we do not violate the laws (Score:4, Funny)
Erm.... the word you're looking for is fallacy. I suppose your invented hybrid word might mean "mistake with a penis", as in "Bill Clinton commited lots of phallacies".
But then, you are an AC so maybe it was on porpoise.
Re:A "PSU" is a power supply. (Score:2, Funny)
wow, in my 8th grade science class i learned that the new girl would blush when asked if she liked to give head and that caroline let frank feel her up in assembly. damned if i remember any talk about voltage and current
"feel her up in assembly" (Score:4, Funny)
Man, you had to do that in assembly? I would think a compiled language would be easier, but still not as easy as just using your hands and the more traditional analog interface.
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:5, Funny)
obsessive. This morning I caught her trying to dissect her own
raincoat.
Homer: [scoffs] I know. And this perpetual motion machine she made
today is a joke! It just keeps going faster and faster.
Marge: And Bart isn't doing very well either. He needs boundaries and
structure. There's something about flying a kite at night that's
so unwholesome. [looks out window]
Bart: [creepy voice] Hello, Mother dear.
Marge: [closing the curtains] That's it: we have to get them back to
school.
Homer: I'm with you, Marge. Lisa! Get in here.
[Lisa walks in, chuckling nervously]
In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:5, Funny)
What'll happen is this. You'll have a 9-volt battery that you take with you when you leave for work in the morning. You use this battery to run a little half-watt motor (540 mW, according to the article). Now, clearly this isn't enough to move your car - but wait! This motor drives a generator, which makes 1.755W of output! (from the article). This still isn't enough, but we might be able to work something out...
The 1.755 W drives a 1.7 W motor. This motor, in turn, drives a generator. This generator can generate 5.525 W of electricity. We'll use this energy to drive a 5.5 W motor. That motor will turn a generator, which thanks to the mysterious power of magnets will generate 17.875 W! Amazing!
This still isn't enough to move your car very fast - but wait! We're not done! If we use our 17.875 W to drive a 17.5 W motor, it can drive a generator which produces 58.09 W!!! That's a lot of power! It's almost 1/10th of a horsepower! Next, we'll use that electricity to power a fancy 55 W electric motor, which (because the magnets have eternal power forever) can turn a generator producing 178.75 watts! Clean! Cheap! Quiet! With this power, we can operate an electric motor which in turn drives a generator generating an awesome 580 Watts of power! Using this electricity to drive another motor / generator pair, we can generate 1.888 kW of clean, wholesome electric power! It's amazing!
Now, let's say we've got a 1.8 kW motor in the trunk. This motor drives another generator which produces 5,850 W of power - that's 7.842 HP in your trunk. We'll use the electricity to drive another motor, this time a 7.8 HP motor - notice we're allowing for (I^2)R losses - which in turn drives a generator. This generator puts out a whopping 18.85 KW of power - that's as much as 10 hair dryers! But, rather than dry all 10 of our passengers' hair at once (can't do *our* hair, we're driving!), we'll use that electricity to drive a 25 HP electric motor. This is a big motor, but not as big as it would be if it didn't use the amazing power of magnets! It can drive a generator that makes 61.26 kW of electricity, which let me tell you is quite a bit! This electricity will be used to drive an 82 HP electric motor - as much as a small electric car. But you don't want a SMALL electric car, nosiree Bob! We use that dinky-assed commuter-car motor to drive a honkin' big generator, which pours out a torrent of electrons - almost 200,000 watts worth! Yikes! That's enough electricity to drive a 265 HP motor! Wow!
But why would we want a pitiful little 265 HP motor in our car? We're carrying 10 passengers, remember? Let's keep going! If we use that 198 kW to drive a motor/generator pair using Minato's incredible magnetic technology, we can generate 644 kW of clean, efficient electricity! That's enough to drive an 863 HP electric motor, which thanks to its use of magnets, can be as small as a gallon paint can - and just as quiet!
Isn't this incredible? Using a single 9 volt battery - preferably an Energizer or Duracell - and 14 super-quiet, incredibly efficient electric motors along with 13 revolutionary electric generators, we're driving an 863 HP super monster screamin' machine with 10 passengers! We're passing Corvettes and Ferrarris like they're glued to the asphalt, and we don't need any gasoline to do it!
Tune in next week, as I show you how it takes only 20 motor/generator pairs - using Minato's incredible magnetic technology - to generate 1.21 Jigawatts - twice! You can send TWO DeLoreans "Back to the Future" at the same time, and STILL have enough electricity to run that bangin' DVD player in your sun visor!
Now, I realize that this all seems a bit hard to believe, but that's just because you don't understand the incredible power of magnets.
Re:Dogs and cats (Score:4, Funny)
WALTER PECK They caused an explosion!
MAYOR: Is this true?
VENKMAN: Yes, it's true. This man has no dick.
Re:Judge for yourself (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Failing to identify... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Judge for yourself (Score:3, Funny)
You must have a very large American penis (Score:3, Funny)
You Americans with your large penises are very superior and will undoutedly jump on this huge opportunity to continue your dominance of world industry. To hear more about how you're extreme prowess will prevail, listen to the following messages:
Re:What do you think turns the blades now? (Score:2, Funny)
>
> Electrostatic motors?
Electroweak motors? (OK, not terribly efficient, but plenty of fast-moving parts.)
Prfft... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:3, Funny)
Have I mentioned before that the "free energy from magnets" people drive me frickin' nuts?
Why yes, I believe I have. Several times in fact. And the only thing harder than trying to explain to these people why it doesn't work is trying to explain it to someone who's invested their life savings in the scheme.
Hey, why didn't someone ever think of putting magnets in an electric motor before?
Then all you'd have to do is figure out some way to switch the coils in sync with the rotation and you'd revolutionize the world!
Muuuuahahahahaha!
KFG
Re:Porcelain engine running on water (Score:5, Funny)
Re:fucking dumbasses! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Prfft... (Score:3, Funny)
I owe those fuckers over 2 million USD for infringement already.
Re:Possibly not... (Score:3, Funny)
Now that's what I call a whack with the physics clue-stick. You know, the plan would've worked if Planck wasn't so lazy. When I was Planck's age, I could saw and split six cords of wood, milk fifty cows, and plow 100 acres behind a single lame ox in 10^-43 seconds. Now here's this Planck fellow, claims he cain't git nothin' done-- not ONE SINGLE THING-- in less than that. Lazy, I tell ya'.
Re:What do you think turns the blades now? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Space Cakes! (Score:5, Funny)
You'll need a piece of letter or A4-sized paper and a sharp new #2 pencil to complete this proof.
Take the paper, and fold it in half lengthwise, then unfold. Turn the paper upside down so that the crease is pointing up. Rotate the paper so that a short side is closest to you (perpendicular to your eyesight). Take each of the corners furthest from you and fold them back to the crease at a 45-degree angle, leaving a point at the end of the crease. Fold the previously folded area towards you. Take each of the corners furthest from you and fold them to the crease, one centimeter shy of the point. Fold the point away from you. Turn the paper upside down. Fold it in half along the original crease. Orient the paper so that the original crease is towards you. Fold towards you on an imaginary line connecting the corner on the folded side that is furthest away from you with a point approximately three centimeters away from the original crease on the unfolded side. Flip upside down and repeat. Pick up the paper and relax the last two folds to a 90-degree angle.
Throw gently.
Eat the pencil.
Oh, you wanted a mathematical proof? You should have presented a mathematical assumption.
Re:Dogs and cats (Score:3, Funny)
Very interesting (Score:1, Funny)
On top of the energy savings the motor runs cool to the touch and is significantly quieter
This seems like the only disadvantage, but I'm quite sure that it could be eventually made sound like a 10 liter V8 to be accepted here in the US, even despite the energy savings. This is great news.
Re:Quiet PCs? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Just to be clear.. (Score:2, Funny)
Quieter PC fans indeed! (Score:2, Funny)
This reminds of the castaway who met the girl on the island and when she offered him anything he wanted, said "do you have an internet connection?"
Inventor: I have invented an Over Unity device
Author: Does it mean my PC will have a quieter fan?
Re:Real Electric Motor News (Score:2, Funny)
African, or European?
Re:Just to be clear.. (Score:1, Funny)