NASA Develops Tech To Hear Words Not Yet Spoken 466
alex_guy_CA writes "Yahoo News has a story about technology that comes close to reading thoughts not yet spoken, by analyzing nerve commands to the throat. 'A person using the subvocal system thinks of phrases and talks to himself so quietly it cannot be heard, but the tongue and vocal cords do receive speech signals from the brain,' said developer Chuck Jorgensen, of NASA's Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California. Jorgensen's team found that sensors under the chin and one each side of the Adam's apple pick up the brain's commands to the speech organs, allowing the subauditory, or 'silent speech' to be captured. The story indicates the method could be useful on space missions or other difficult working conditions."
Lie to panes into the wood chain sennas (Score:2, Insightful)
A little confused (Score:2, Insightful)
Or is it just intercepting those nerve signals which you use to inaudibly mumble to yourself with?
If the first is true, then wow, imagine just thinking to your computer and it doing it.
If the second is true then I don't really see what's so great about it
Words not yet spoken? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:A little confused (Score:4, Insightful)
Lie Detector (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Better start practicing (Score:3, Insightful)
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do...
Re:Benefit for Stephen Hawking? (Score:3, Insightful)
What if you do not have an adam's apple? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Lie Detector (Score:3, Insightful)
On most people, "Did you rape [insert name here]?" will get a much different response than "What was your dog's name?" However, if you could read their sub-vocal patterns, you would be better able to tell who is practicing a lie before saying it.
Seems more helpful than scary to me.
Re:We are all handicapped. (Score:2, Insightful)
That wouldn't necessarily be a good thing. Did you ever see the ending to Brazil?
No real difference (Score:2, Insightful)
I know for sure that it's always the case when you read (except for some spead-reading technics that involve just looking at the text without formulating the words) and I'm pretty sure it's true for all verbal thougths.
Re:sub-vocal communication (Score:5, Insightful)
Thoughtcrime, indeed.
Re:Better start practicing (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe I'm getting old, but I think it's more likely that under the current administration, I just can't enjoy the innocent thrill of thinking, "Wow, what coll technology!"
Instead my first thought is, "How soon until that theocrat Ashcroft starts using this to interrogate dissidents?"
This is perfect for rooting out hidden Muslims -- we're at war, you know --, closeted homosexuals -- Bush's newest appointee has just ruled that homosexual Federal employees can be fired --, and I wonder how soon it will be used to expose athiests and crypto-Catholics at Saint John the Intolerant's regular Department of Justice prayer breakfasts.
I'm sorry, but I just can't find much glee in this announcement, given the current officially encouraged climate of fear and hostility toward civil liberties.
Mod parent up -- and start practicing his song: it may soon be the only Fifth Amedment protection you'll have left.
Re:Could be dangerous (Score:2, Insightful)
You had to think : "two, three, one, four, two, three, three, three, four, two" or so to send "idiot" to your coworkers. (They use a grid with the letters of alphabet to reduce the number of symbols the system has to recognize.)
But once they implement full word recognition
Re:sub-vocal communication (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Lie Detector (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine if one day, in the distant future, EVERYONE was required to have one of these, and ALL of their concious thoughts were analyzed in a Carnivore-like system. Thinking, "I'm going to bomb X embassy," even if you have no intention of doing it, could lead to investigations.
Right now, our thoughts, our minds, are one of the few safe-havens we have. No one can force us to disclose our thoughts, barring the use of some chmicals that sometimes have a truth-inducing effect (fairly rare, though, because all it really makes you do is talk a lot, but not necessarily about what your interrogators want to hear), and these are very active. They have to grab you, inject you, interrogate you, and all this takes quite a bit of time. With subvocalizers, it would be much easier.
It IS scary, even just as a lie detector, because what if I thought, "Man, that cop is hot!" while they're interrogating me. Pretty embarassing. And it could lead to a whole slew of fifth amendment issues, in the US.
Re:Lie to panes into the wood chain sennas (Score:3, Insightful)
Undercover CIA Agent: Umm your epidermis is showing, allah doesn't like that!
Potential Terrorist: Oh shit? Really? How can I hide it?!?!?!
Undercover CIA Agent: Here strap this to your chin.
Potential Terrorist: *Quickly straps on device*
Undercover CIA Agent: *goes away and speaks into a megaphone* "OK Now just speak, but don't make any sound! Like you were lip synching to music or something!"
Seen this before (Score:5, Insightful)
So don't get too excited, all you ADD, quasi-ADD and just plain procrastinatory slashdotters -- whoever ends up using this tech won't be you.
"Keys" to the technology (Score:3, Insightful)
IOW, "The key to this system is the entire system."
I don't believe it, this can't work very well (Score:2, Insightful)
Try saying a few things with your mouth completely open, a constant amount of air leaving your lungs, and not moving your tongue. I wouldn't want to put military hardware in control of such indistinct speech.
Re:Lie Detector (Score:2, Insightful)
> conscious thought to be available to people.
Not so scary if it's accurate and the person who `wants to lie` is being asked questions about the rape of your girlfried, the murder of your child, or the bombing of Madrid.
> No one can force us to disclose our thoughts, barring the use of some chmicals
> that sometimes have a truth-inducing effect
There's also brain scanning machines which can tell if you're lying which are also well under development.
Re:sub-vocal communication (Score:2, Insightful)
(Anyone remember "Firefox?")
Political Debates (Score:2, Insightful)
Who do you want to be today? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Could be dangerous (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. How could one aquire language if thought wasn't there already? Consider the rare feral children adults who have grown up without acquiring language [wikipedia.org] - do you think they're "dark inside"? Or even more fascinating, Helen Keller, who acquired language late enough to have memories that pre-dated that acquisition.
Consult any Zen master for further instruction - that which the Japanese call "mushin" ("no-mind") might be thought of as "thinking without words". (Of course, there is a difference between transcending linguistic thought, and never acquiring it in the first place.)
But in thinking of mushin as thinking without words, you are thinking with words, and thus getting away from the actual phenomenon. Thus Zen Master Seung Sahn's observation "open mouth, already a mistake" [cizny.org].
Techno-telepathy (Score:3, Insightful)
I for one welcome our new techno-telepathic overlords.
Seriously though, military applications abound for this. Silent communication without having to maintain line-of-sight to read code hand gestures would be just one. This could be done in short order since the set of commands it has to recognize is short.
And the Secret Service would be a natural implementation for this as it advances to the stage where they can turn the recorded signals directly into speech. Right now, it's just a few commands and numbers.
And if they can feed them back along the same pathways and let the brain interpret the signals, or simulation through the skin to the auditory nerves to prevent eavesdropping on the receiver, all the better.
To keep the channels open, have them keep a single tone in their minds to enable communications (that you can detect) and you have voluntary mind-talk a la The Tomorrow People.
Re:Ha ha! A few notes. . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Sounds like somebody needs a tinfoil hat..
Re:sub-vocal communication (Score:2, Insightful)
pick up the subvocalization electronically -- this
is not something you can do unobtrusively.
Re:Oh god, the cheating (Score:3, Insightful)
Shifting to this story's context, I think the headset (or whatever gadget form this takes) will be a bit obvious for now. And I think worrying about cheating in the face of improved communication tools is fairly silly... we're so far from an invisible, ubiquitous, encrypted, silent channel for communication that you're better off worrying about all the current ways that work for cheating: grading each others' work under a mutual-improvement agreement, crib sheets (including *in* calculators or on sticks of chewing gum), pencil tap codes (excellent for multiple choice tests), ad-hoc sign language, reviewing old exams from prior students, learning a few canned answers, bringing in helpful info in dummy bluebooks, etc etc etc.
All of these are fixed by fixing the test itself. Use essays, show-the-work questions, and other ways of documenting on-test the student's ability to THINK. Once they're done, even subvocal cheating becomes harder.
Frankly, by the time we get subvocal communication at the 'free with an order of fries' price, I hope we'll have improved education a few ways. Cuz the educational system's still stone-knives and bearskins, compared to it's potential. But that's just my opinion.