Fast-Moving Neutron Star From Hubble 86
CEHT writes: "Recently, the Hubble discovered a fast moving neutron star which is 10 trillion times denser than steel, 100 times faster than a supersonic jet. Here is the article from CNN.com." If we had a General Products hull, we could send a probe to investigate.
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
It is 200,000 km/h = 55556m/s.
Which is even slower.
comments (Score:1)
I dont' blame anyone, I also don't know what to say (exept that headaches definitely suck), and I even don't have a sig
a slight correction (Score:2)
not completely true
it should read that a neutron star is composed almost entirely of neutrons
just thought I'd be anal!
Re:Heh heh. (Score:1)
Moderators: please mod down ALL Larry Niven / Ringworld references, and show everyone what humorless, discussion-stifling bastards you all are.
P.S. Do not try to post useful discussion here, or start discussions. You will be ignored, moderated down, and eventually bitchslapped.
Thank you.
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Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
It flipping well is not and never has been. And apart from anything else its micrometer not micron. You can't make a plural out of an adjective.
Re:You call this fast? (Score:2)
Re:General Products? (Score:2)
-t
Re:Yes, but... (Score:1)
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
but to reiterate again he's a damned idiot
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Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
It is 277m/s. Ask anyone who fly often.
Everytime I'm on a 747 I'm seeing speeds like 800 to 1000 km/h on the report screen. Go figure.
Re:Heh heh. (Score:1)
The last Fafhrd and Grey Mouser book was a waste of paper, on the other hand. Probably the most disappointing book I ever read.
TWW (over here in Blighty)
Works out to .00014c (Score:3)
Re:Heh heh. (Score:1)
I've read the Foundation Series, and the Le Guin books; I need to read the Robot books, and the other stuff still...
Re:Leiber--I could never get into the "Swords" stuff; I read that a long time ago, in the big book club edition.
And while we're Offtopic, have you read the Amber books? It's probably not Sci-Fi, but it could be; it's definitely pulp. I love those, and just about everything else I've read by Zelazny.
Thanks for the other authors; I love the older stuff, but never know which ones are good. (Do you remember "The Stars, Like Dust"? That was fun...)
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Re:Fastest moving star? (Score:1)
times faster.... (Score:1)
Too close? (Score:1)
Yes, but (Score:1)
Re:How fast is it? (Score:1)
Re:some info (Score:2)
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Re:Superstar! (Score:1)
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
A 747 does not travel at 200,000 miles per second, dumbass. Neither does it travel at 1,000 miles per second, if that's what you were trying to say.
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
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Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Neutron Star, Or Spaceship? (Score:1)
Same thing, but on a larger intergalatic scale? Oh come on--you have to wonder.
Re:General Products? (Score:3)
Of course, I wouldn't use a General Products hull at all. I would use that radiation-shielded American-made craft from the future in Michael Chrichton's "Sphere".
Hell, that thing survived a trip bouncing off a black hole, went through time, sat at the bottom of the ocean for three-hundred years AND managed to pick up a gold alien ball that got the better of Samuel Jackson.
What cosmic velocities are measured relative to... (Score:2)
The images of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) from the COBE satelite (amoung others) show that the CMB is doppler shifted in opposite directions (a dipole shift) on either side of the Earth. By defining a stationary observer as an observer for which there is no dipole shift, it is possibleto define a frame which all observers, at any point in spacetime, will define as stationary. Therefore all observers will measure the an object as having same speed relative to this frame.
Re:are you sure (Score:1)
some info (Score:4)
So the speed of RX J1856.5-3754 (about 85-100 km/s) is more in the lower range. What make this star interesting is not its velocity, but the fact that it is rather unique, because it does not show any activity (e.g. pulsations), unlike most other known neutron stars.
Also, as there is no gaseous shell from the supernova left, thus it must be quite old (at least 100000 yrs), but nevertheless the neutron star is still rather hot (as evidenced by its X-ray emission). This is puzzling because neutron stars have no internal energy source (unlike "normal" stars that are powered by thermonuclear reactions), and therefore should cool down continuously from the moment of birth.
There is an ESO Press Release [eso.org] about this object which offers much more info than the CNN article, yet is still written for non-scientists.
Scrith would be better (Score:2)
Now, if we could just get some Rishathra going! :)
Re:some info (Score:1)
from what I remember from my stellar astrophysics class, doesn't that imply mass transfer?
Is it possible that this NS has an unidentified partner?
I also remember that there is a significant number of neutrons stars that aren't pulsars, most significantly those that are NOT in binaries, as RX J1856.5-3754 seems not to be in.
Re:General Products? (Score:1)
GRAVITY!
In the story Neutron Star, this exact weakness in exposed in explicit detail. Why do I remember this one short story? Thank my physics teacher who had us calculate the difference in g between the protagonists' head and feet.
Anyway, having a GP hull would do us no good for exploring a Neutron Star.
Re:some info (Score:1)
It could still be hot from the last time it smashed into a pre-space flight civilization's planet =-]
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
v*t=s
277m/s * 10 s = 2770 m = 2,7 km
I don't think Seattle is only 2,7 km away from New York
Re:General Products? (Score:1)
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Re:General Products? (Score:1)
Re:some info (Score:1)
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Look, its a...? (Score:1)
Scientist 1: "Look, its a bird"
Scientist 2: "No, its a plane"
Scientist 1: "No, its SUPERNOVA!"
Scientist 2: "And they wonder why we haven't found the higg's boson yet..."
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Last I checked 200,000 m/s was faster than the speed of light
General Products? (Score:1)
Re:General Products? (Score:1)
Re:General Products? (Score:1)
Ringworld by Larry Niven
Larry Niven (Score:1)
Sorry, I just had to do that. Larry is the coolest guy around... (Except CmrTaco, of course)
Superstar! (Score:1)
Speedy Web (Score:1)
Not *another* apocalypse! (Score:2)
Re:General Products? (Score:1)
Re:Not *another* apocalypse! (Score:3)
It's currently 200 light years away. The closest this thing will get is 170 light years. And that's in 300,000 years. In summary, no.
Yes, but... (Score:3)
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Americans are bred for stupidity.
How fast is it? (Score:1)
This message brought to you by the too much free time society.
Adler
Yowza! (Score:1)
Fastest moving star? (Score:1)
Re:Neutron Star, Or Spaceship? (Score:1)
Relative frame of reference (Score:1)
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
km = kilometer (1000)
m = meter (1)
mm = millimeter (1/1000)
um = micrometer (1/1000000)
so:
m/s = meters/second
um/s = micrometers/second
I don't know why it's a u (usually written in script, more like u... too many other m's I guess.
Cheela on The Dragon's Egg (Score:1)
From the publisher:
The neutron star ventures close enough to Earth that we send a manned probe out to orbit it and study it. I know life on a neutron star sounds fantastic, but the author claims the science still holds up [space.com].
Definitely gets a thumbs up from me...
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Re:Heh heh. (Score:2)
You'll probably have read a lot of what I'm about to say: I do hope you don't think I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs...
Niven's other "Known Space" stuff: World of Ptaavs, Neutron Star, Protector, Tales of Known Space, A Gift From Earth & The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton? (Personally, I don't like the newer stuff, Ringworld Engineers/Throne and all the Man-Kzin War rip^H^H^Hspin-offs)
Gotta read some Asimov: Foundation, Foundation and Empire, Second Foundation, The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun, The Robots of Dawn.
Philip K Dick: A Scanner Darkly, all his short stories, Ubik, Dr Bloodmoney, The Man In The High Castle [stops listing Phil Dick stuff by main force]
Over here in Blighty, there's a series of books been published by Millennium called "SF Masterworks". They do exactly what it says on the tin: buy all of them.
Ursula Le Guin: The Dispossessed, The Left Hand of Darkness
E E 'Doc' Smith: start on Galactic Patrol (yes, I know it says it's number 3 in the series, but trust me), then do Grey [sic] Lensman, Second Stage Lensmen, Children of the Lens, then go back for Triplanetary and First Lensman, then if you can be arsed read Masters of The Vortex, but prepare to be disappointed
Slightly offtopic, but Fritz Leiber: all the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stuff: Swords... and Deviltry, against Death, in the Mist, Against Wizardry, of Lankhmar, and Ice Magic, The Knight and Knave of.
Is that enough to keep you going?
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
It is a world of METRICS. Leave your own little world of 18th century and join us!
Better yet, reply with your real handle so we can send it to the Smithsonians.
Re:Cheela on The Dragon's Egg (Score:1)
3prong
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
It's a "u" because it's actually a lower-case "Mu" which happens to look like a "u" to most people. One can see the "M" in a properly written "Mu"
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No, Known Universe (Score:2)
Actually the Piersons Puppeteers, and with it GP, spans more than just the Ringworld series (or Neutron Star for those who mentioned it). The Puppeteers, along with the Kzin, and other elements of that universe belong to Larry Nivens "Known Universe" books - a set of books with completely different stories set within the same universe. These include a good number of Mr. Nivens work.
Re:Clarification (Score:1)
Re:some info (Score:1)
There just isn't enough matter in interstellar space to "light-up" a neutron star that brightly.
Remember good old Cygnus X-1? It's X-ray outpouring couldn't be explained until it was discovered that it was in binary.
I think that in the coming months we will see that this NS has some sort of companion, or that the X-ray source does not actually belong to this particular NS.
Re:Clarification (Score:1)
I beg to differ, as in the book 'Ringworld Engineers' there were thousands of ships and buildings, trapped in stasism and melted into the crustal walls of planet Canyon (where Loius Wu was living as a wirehead, 'member?). Besides, no puppeteer would be insane enough to travel without it!
Also in the Ringworld books proper, they have some very strong gravity generators to buffer the tidal forces problem, and if it (or the heatsink) were about to fail, the stasis field would kick on again.
Btw, for anyone living in the LA area, mr. Niven and mr. Pournelle regularly attend the LASFS on thursdays in Burbank. I can actually go ask him! but it seems clear that we have crossed the line into way too frickin geekey. like those fellahs from southpark last week, arguing over how many origianl trek episodes there were.
:)Fudboy
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Yes, i believe you are correct that our system is moving through the orbit around the center of the Milky Way faster than that. We circle the milky way once in about 250 million years is what I've been told. But I don't think that there would be such a fuss unless it was disjointed.
How to destroy it... (Score:1)
are you sure (Score:1)
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Re:General Products? (Score:5)
The GP Hulls are constructed of one solid piece of some fantastic transparent and indestructable material. The inside surface is coated with a 'stasis field' conducting film making the ship indestructable and extremely safe. If a threat were detected, such as immenent collision or attack, the satsis field would flip on and further interaction with the space-time continuum would be cut off for anything within the field. The computer would set to deactivate the field in random intervals and poll for conditions. if it was safe (say the sun you crashed into finally blew up and cast you free), then you were back in real time and could continue your voyage.
As a side note, even with all these amazing strentghs, the puppeteers, as a race, were far to paranoid to actually use a spaceship. that would be madness!
:)Fudboy
eek! (Score:2)
Damned dense star (Score:3)
Stupid star...
Too dense to take its time and look around a little.
Re:Yowza! (Score:1)
Re:How fast is it? (Score:1)
Re:are you sure (Score:1)
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Besides, he corrected himself. 200,000 km/h for the star's velocity. (Well, speed. For velocity, you'd have to mention that it is travelling at tangent to a circle around us with radius 170 LY.)
200,000 km/h
1/200th of that is: 277m/s. 997km/h, or about Mach 0.6.
Consider that I regularly drive my car at 140km/h (or for ye who cannot speak Metric, 90mph). That's about 39m/s. Let's make it 40, because I'm too lazy to reach for a calculator, and I've had the beast up to 160km/h. (Side note: not bad for a 1991 Subaru, no?) The Jet is going 277m/s. Let's give the jet the advantage of the Jetstream, and make it 280. That's 7x the speed. Now, if you don't believe the jet can go that speed, then you can go race the 747 from San Diego, CA to New York, NY, and tell me who wins.
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
Besides... (Score:2)
...how many
You'd also need boosterspice (Score:2)
For those who haven't read Niven's "Known Space" series:
- The outsiders: wandering traders in information - a lifeform that lives at liquid helium temperatures. They don't use FTL drives themselves, but will sell you the plans. For a decade or so of your gross planetary product. They'll take installment payments. (As you can tell from their spacedrive they're no in any hurry.)
- Boosterspice: A longevity drug by and for humans, made by a gene-engineered plant derived from ragweed. Good for several extra centuries of life.
Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
And, for your information, the United States Constitution allows only one body to set weights and measures, the Congress. And the only system of weights and measures ever adopted by Congress was the metric system, back in the 1860's, later reinforced by the U.S. being an original signatory to the Treaty of the Meter in the 1880's. So, the rest of the world has finally caught up to where we were in the nineteenth century.
Provided you weren't shared between nose & tail (Score:1)
Except that gravity gets through the hull. This is how it was discovered, in one Niven short story, that the Puppeteers' world had no moon (they didn't understand tides very well). Cost them a millions Stars' worth of bribery, could have been more.
Resting comfortably on the surface of a neutron star might be fine with your stasis field on, but if the computer flipped it off for a nanosecond to check outside conditions, you'd be so much raspberry jam on the downhill walls in much less than an eyeblink, even presuming that the equipment survived long enough to re-enable the stasis.
Figure it out: light goes at (more or less) 300,000km/s, and escape velocity for a neutron star must be pushing this, so if you were exposed to this kind of gravity field point-blank for a nanosecond you'd be doing many thousands of meters per second by the time the field was blocked again - so far past dead that only God could ``reassemble.''
Tidal calculation (Score:1)
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Re:You call this fast? (Score:1)
You call this fast? (Score:3)
C'mon. Nothing.
Sound travels at slower than twice the speed of an ordinary 747 aircraft. 200 times the speed of a 747 aircraft (about 200,000m/s) is not a very big deal on the cosmic scale...
I think even our solar system is moving along that speed circling the centre of the Milkyway. Just my guess tho.