This is just the continuation of the "public health crisis" excuse to ban something people don't agree with. Smoking, Sugary drinks, guns, etc. The slippery slope continues.
C'mon, it's much more than that. The men in the US are not getting married, and having fewer children. Our birth rates are low and getting lower and sometimes I wonder if the real reason they don't crack down in illegal immigrants on either side is because they boost the numbers when it comes to birth rate.
At any rate, denying men access to porn will likely lead to more babies. At least, until the robot sex bots are under $5k.
Source? I'd like to see the study that not only shows correlation, but causation between access to porn and rape statistics. Don't just make up stuff to make yourself feel better.
The results above suggest that potential rapists perceive pornography as a substitute for rape. With the mass market introduction of the world wide web in the late- 1990’s, both pecuniary and non-pecuniary prices for pornography fell. The associated decline in rape illustrated in the analysis here is consistent with a theory, such as that in Posner (1994), in which pornography is a complement for masturbation or consensual sex, which are themselves substitutes for rape, making pornography a net substitute for rape.
There is research that suggests porn might have a causative relationship for reductions in rape, which would make a certain degree of sense, given that there will be fewer sexually frustrated men.
Shhh you'll step on the toes of the idea that rape is about power and not sex. The idea isn't entirely wrong, it just presents a false dichotomy. Rape is about sex and power, feeling powerful and in control (and the idea of it) definitely sexually charges someone. Others are sexually charged by feeling like they have absolutely no control.
Apart from that being the only report that makes the claim "porn access reduces rape," even the economist who wrote it had his doubts on the quality of the data. I'm not saying the claim is false; I'm just saying that report isn't scientific and can't be used as evidence.
Specifically, the results suggest that
a 10
percentage point increase in internet access is associated with a decline in reported rape
victimization of around 7.3%. While admitting that
data quality, omitted variables,
functional form assumptions, and other confounding
factors could potentially cause bias,
I support this claim with six separate pieces of evidence. When considered as a whole,
the empirical case is more compelling.
Additionally, this was pulled from only a few years of data within the US and the statics were mostly tablecloth math. All in all, it seems this one study is a biased outlier.
Apart from that being the only report that makes the claim "porn access reduces rape,"
I'm trying to stick with things that are reasonably open access.
Ferguson, Christopher J., and Richard D. Hartley. "The pleasure is momentary the expense damnable?: The influence of pornography on rape and sexual assault." Aggression and violent behavior 14.5 (2009): 323-329.
Victimization rates for rape in the United States demonstrate an inverse relationship between pornography consumption and rape rates. Data from other nations have suggested similar relationships. Although these data cannot be used to determine that pornography has a cathartic effect on rape behavior, combined with the weak evidence in support of negative causal hypotheses from the scientific literature, it is concluded that it is time to discard the hypothesis that pornography contributes to increased sexual assault behavior.
Fisher, William A., et al. "Pornography, sex crime, and paraphilia." Current psychiatry reports 15.6 (2013): 1-8.
Also, I'd agree that porn doesn't increase rape. There are many studies that have come to that conclusion, even the ones which were intentionally trying to put porn in a bad light.
Prefacing this with the fact that I don't disagree with the thrust of your argument, necessarily.
Correlation is not causation, but absence of correlation is absence of causation.
Not actually true. One example is if event A causes B, and event A is non-causally correlated to event C, and C causes ~B, then you can show no correlation between A and B even though A causes B.
Or look at this guy's argument: http://theincidentaleconomist.... [theinciden...nomist.com]. I didn't check out the rest of his site but the mathematical argument seems sound.
Is that the latent feminist inside talking? Men are all sex craving beasts which will mindlessly rape if we can't find a pretty picture to masturbate to?
And as any list of fetishes would show you, it's amazing what people will masturbate to that isn't porn.
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This is just the continuation of the "public health crisis" excuse to ban something people don't agree with. Smoking, Sugary drinks, guns, etc. The slippery slope continues.
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"At any rate, denying men access to porn will likely lead to more babies"
Or more likely, more rape
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I'd like to see the study that not only shows correlation, but causation between access to porn and rape statistics.
There is a correlation, but it's in the other direction.
http://idei.fr/sites/default/f... [idei.fr]
The results above suggest that potential rapists perceive pornography as a
substitute for rape. With the mass market introduction of the world wide web in the late-
1990’s, both pecuniary and non-pecuniary prices for pornography fell. The associated
decline in rape illustrated in the analysis here is consistent with a theory, such as that in
Posner (1994), in which pornography is a complement for masturbation or consensual
sex, which are themselves substitutes for rape, making pornography a net substitute for
rape.
There is research that suggests porn might have a causative relationship for reductions in rape, which would make a certain degree of sense, given that there will be fewer sexually frustrated men.
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Specifically, the results suggest that a 10 percentage point increase in internet access is associated with a decline in reported rape victimization of around 7.3%. While admitting that data quality, omitted variables, functional form assumptions, and other confounding factors could potentially cause bias, I support this claim with six separate pieces of evidence. When considered as a whole, the empirical case is more compelling.
Additionally, this was pulled from only a few years of data within the US and the statics were mostly tablecloth math. All in all, it seems this one study is a biased outlier.
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Apart from that being the only report that makes the claim "porn access reduces rape,"
I'm trying to stick with things that are reasonably open access.
Ferguson, Christopher J., and Richard D. Hartley. "The pleasure is momentary the expense damnable?: The influence of pornography on rape and sexual assault." Aggression and violent behavior 14.5 (2009): 323-329.
PDF at http://christopherjferguson.co... [christopherjferguson.com]
Victimization rates for rape in the United States demonstrate an inverse
relationship between pornography consumption and rape rates. Data from other nations have suggested
similar relationships. Although these data cannot be used to determine that pornography has a cathartic
effect on rape behavior, combined with the weak evidence in support of negative causal hypotheses from the
scientific literature, it is concluded that it is time to discard the hypothesis that pornography contributes to
increased sexual assault behavior.
Fisher, William A., et al. "Pornography, sex crime, and paraphilia." Current psychiatry reports 15.6 (2013): 1-8.
PDF at https://www.researchgate.net/p... [researchgate.net]
On page 362, they have a chart showing that
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Correlation is not causation, but absence of correlation is absence of causation.
A study like the one mentioned in http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html [slate.com] doesn't prove that porn prevents rape.
It does, however, prove that porn doesn't increase rape.
And while smoke may not prove fire, fire's a good bet.
The study may not be enough to prove porn reduces rape, but it does point in that direction.
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Also, I'd agree that porn doesn't increase rape. There are many studies that have come to that conclusion, even the ones which were intentionally trying to put porn in a bad light.
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Prefacing this with the fact that I don't disagree with the thrust of your argument, necessarily.
Correlation is not causation, but absence of correlation is absence of causation.
Not actually true. One example is if event A causes B, and event A is non-causally correlated to event C, and C causes ~B, then you can show no correlation between A and B even though A causes B.
Or look at this guy's argument: http://theincidentaleconomist.... [theinciden...nomist.com]. I didn't check out the rest of his site but the mathematical argument seems sound.
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Is that the latent feminist inside talking? Men are all sex craving beasts which will mindlessly rape if we can't find a pretty picture to masturbate to?
And as any list of fetishes would show you, it's amazing what people will masturbate to that isn't porn.
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No, your stupidity is.
Porn isn't a problem. Nice try blaming anything but the perpetrator... you're the SJW...
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