Okay, so they include a 6x glas sphere. How nice, but you need a 500x microscope to read it. The sphere has a large base and it can be opened. Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
Who is to say that whoever finds it in the future has access to such a powerful microscope? For most of history we haven't.
Nice idea, but geez, think things through, this could be found by the same kind of people who made the original rossate stone. Do you really want them to wait hundreds of years to develop magnifcation good enough to read it?
You may be a bit hard pressed to find humans, who would be digging around Earth in the first place, that don't have the necessary capabilities to magnify an image a couple hundred times.
I would think that it would be some kind of incentive for someone / something to invent a way of reading it. There is already a 6X lens on there. Using that concept, they might reach the 100X mark in a short time period. The better they get, the more they will learn.
One would imagine they'd have included instructions for making said 100x or 750x lenses that were readable with the 6x lens. A form of boot-strapping, if you will.
Not necessary. If you can figure out how the 6x lens works you can build a 100x lens. The means of production is going to be highly dependent on what you have.
Assuming some post-apoc sceanrio where mankind has been nuked back to the stone age, I think you just MIGHT be hard pressed to find someone with a 500X microscope. Even today, what percentage of the population has ready access to that kind of equipment? A 500X scope will run you at least $150 or so and is not exactly the kind of thing everyone has a need (or knowledge) to use.
If the idea is to preserve data in a way totally independent of the circumstances surrounding its discovery, then requiring special e
If this is the same disc as I've read about before, then at the outside of the disc the text is viewable with a 6x magnification, and it spirals in getting smaller all the time, and presumably referencing more and more advanced technologies all the time. This would stop a primitive society from learning about things way beyond them, until they had developed the necessary technology to read it.
Worries: if this disc is made with a certain societal bias, if some primitive society in the future finds it, they c
Nickel-base alloys are used for corrosion resistance or for combined corrosion resistance and high temperature strength in a wide range of commercial applications. These various applications may demand resistance to aqueous corrosion mechanisms, such as general corrosion, localized attack, and SCC, or resistance to elevated temperature oxidation, sulfidation and carburization. Many nickel-base alloys have been developed to resist these and other forms of attack. The alloys often find application in areas outside the specific industry or process for which they were designed.
Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
That's how they make their money! It's brilliant! Give away the media for free, then in 2,000 years, sell the 500x microscope "readers" for a *huge* profit! Just make sure the teaser text and critical reviews are readable by the naked eye.
I think a lot of people have completely misunderstood the purpose of this disk. The goal here is not to preserve any specific data or make anything which is supposed to be immediately useful. It's supposed to be an archeological artifact for some civilization several thousand years from now, which may be more or less advanced than us, and with which we have no way of communicating directly. We can't tell them how to read the disk, or how to use any built-in microscope (provided that such a microscope would
The purpose of this is simply to provide a translation guide. It's not designed to pass on any relevant information.
Let's take a look at the contents. Over 1500 languages. Genesis 1-3 in each language and list of most common words with pronunciation guide.
What you now have is a listing to cross-reference identical phrases in a multitude of language. You can find what the word "the" in English translates to in other languages. The main value of this disk will be to provide the framework for other civilizations
The purpose of this is simply to provide a translation guide. It's not designed to pass on any relevant information.
Let's take a look at the contents. Over 1500 languages. Genesis 1-3 in each language and list of most common words with pronunciation guide.
What you now have is a listing to cross-reference identical phrases in a multitude of language. You can find what the word "the" in English translates to in other languages. The main value of this disk will be to provide the framework for other civilizations
Well, there's been a massive number of individuals who seem to have gotten stuck on the fact that Genesis 1-3 is being used as the translation key. Sometimes explaining the obvious is necessary.
2000 years data transmission isn't that difficult or expensive. Just roll out some high fire stoneware clay slabs, about 1" thick and get to work with letter stamps. A nice glaze will help but isn't really necessary. Granted, you'll likely not get the density they're achieving here but, if you go with a fine grain clay like porcelain, you should be able to lithograph/etch microfiche size stuff onto it.
I've already been planning on what I want to put in my grave jar: smaller jar with my cremated remains, sma
Okay, so they include a 6x glas sphere. How nice, but you need a 500x microscope to read it. The sphere has a large base and it can be opened. Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
You're expecting an awful lot for something that cost only $25,000 each copy to produce.:-) That's the real cost of each disc/globe configuration according to the article.
Don't you know your science fiction? Long dead civilizations with advanced technology are always supposed to require some sort of test of worthiness before you are allowed to access their stored knowledge. These usually require great courage, intelligence and integrity to succeed in so "Build yourself a 500x microscope" seems pretty lame by comparison. I think we are letting our future selves off far too easily.
"I have just one word for you, my boy...plastics."
- from "The Graduate"
You need a 500x microscope to read it (Score:5, Interesting)
Okay, so they include a 6x glas sphere. How nice, but you need a 500x microscope to read it. The sphere has a large base and it can be opened. Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
Who is to say that whoever finds it in the future has access to such a powerful microscope? For most of history we haven't.
Nice idea, but geez, think things through, this could be found by the same kind of people who made the original rossate stone. Do you really want them to wait hundreds of years to develop magnifcation good enough to read it?
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Re:You need a 500x microscope to read it (Score:5, Insightful)
I would think that it would be some kind of incentive for someone / something to invent a way of reading it. There is already a 6X lens on there. Using that concept, they might reach the 100X mark in a short time period. The better they get, the more they will learn.
One would imagine they'd have included instructions for making said 100x or 750x lenses that were readable with the 6x lens. A form of boot-strapping, if you will.
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Not necessary. If you can figure out how the 6x lens works you can build a 100x lens. The means of production is going to be highly dependent on what you have.
Load it with porn, then? (Score:2)
Nothing incentivises geeks of the future like antique porn!
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Assuming some post-apoc sceanrio where mankind has been nuked back to the stone age, I think you just MIGHT be hard pressed to find someone with a 500X microscope. Even today, what percentage of the population has ready access to that kind of equipment? A 500X scope will run you at least $150 or so and is not exactly the kind of thing everyone has a need (or knowledge) to use.
If the idea is to preserve data in a way totally independent of the circumstances surrounding its discovery, then requiring special e
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And HOW much technology was around when people started searching for artifacts in Egypt?
Oh, that's right... a helluva lot less than would be required to read this chip.
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If this is the same disc as I've read about before, then at the outside of the disc the text is viewable with a 6x magnification, and it spirals in getting smaller all the time, and presumably referencing more and more advanced technologies all the time. This would stop a primitive society from learning about things way beyond them, until they had developed the necessary technology to read it.
Worries: if this disc is made with a certain societal bias, if some primitive society in the future finds it, they c
The coating... (Score:2)
Disks are made out of nickel.
Which is rather resistant to corrosion.
http://www.key-to-metals.com/Article18.htm [key-to-metals.com]
From TFL:
Nickel-base alloys are used for corrosion resistance or for combined corrosion resistance and high temperature strength in a wide range of commercial applications. These various applications may demand resistance to aqueous corrosion mechanisms, such as general corrosion, localized attack, and SCC, or resistance to elevated temperature oxidation, sulfidation and carburization. Many nickel-base alloys have been developed to resist these and other forms of attack. The alloys often find application in areas outside the specific industry or process for which they were designed.
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I totally agree About Disk1,2,3,...,100.
I'd totally buy myself a set of them. These ones for starters:
1)Math
2)Physics
3)Chemistry
4)Biology
5)Electronics
6)Astronomy
Re:You need a 500x microscope to read it (Score:5, Funny)
Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
That's how they make their money! It's brilliant! Give away the media for free, then in 2,000 years, sell the 500x microscope "readers" for a *huge* profit! Just make sure the teaser text and critical reviews are readable by the naked eye.
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Hey! We don't want primitives to read our secrets.
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The purpose of this is simply to provide a translation guide. It's not designed to pass on any relevant information.
Let's take a look at the contents.
Over 1500 languages.
Genesis 1-3 in each language and list of most common words with pronunciation guide.
What you now have is a listing to cross-reference identical phrases in a multitude of language. You can find what the word "the" in English translates to in other languages. The main value of this disk will be to provide the framework for other civilizations
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Well, there's been a massive number of individuals who seem to have gotten stuck on the fact that Genesis 1-3 is being used as the translation key. Sometimes explaining the obvious is necessary.
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2000 years data transmission isn't that difficult or expensive. Just roll out some high fire stoneware clay slabs, about 1" thick and get to work with letter stamps. A nice glaze will help but isn't really necessary. Granted, you'll likely not get the density they're achieving here but, if you go with a fine grain clay like porcelain, you should be able to lithograph/etch microfiche size stuff onto it.
I've already been planning on what I want to put in my grave jar: smaller jar with my cremated remains, sma
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Okay, so they include a 6x glas sphere. How nice, but you need a 500x microscope to read it. The sphere has a large base and it can be opened. Why not include the tool to read the document with the document?
You're expecting an awful lot for something that cost only $25,000 each copy to produce. :-) That's the real cost of each disc/globe configuration according to the article.
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