There's plenty more only a google search away. Our tech for working with viruses is pretty primitive stuff all things considered. It leaves clear markers anyone with a bit of knowledge in the field can see.
You are arguing against a straw man. The claim is NOT that the virus was engineered.
The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab with sloppy procedures and this naturally occurring virus escaped the lab. The CDC had warned about sloppy procedures at this lab before the COVID outbreak.
"The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab"
Assuming that's true, it's not controversial that the lab was studying a virus they'd found 'in the wild', the same 'naturally occurring' virus that was eventually detected at the Wuhan market.
"The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab"
Assuming that's true, it's not controversial that the lab was studying a virus they'd found 'in the wild', the same 'naturally occurring' virus that was eventually detected at the Wuhan market.
It becomes an issue when the lab is identified, prior to the outbreak, as having poor safety procedures and containment is at risk. Plus the lab being in close physical proximity to ground zero makes it even more of an issue.
but COVID-19 finds it *very* hard to transmit by touch, which is how it would have gotten out of a lab (they'd have been dickering with it in petri dishes).
Even the most elementary lab precautions would have worked against COVID, let alone what we see in even the most poorly run labs, let alone a level 4 biohazard lab like this one.
It is infinitely more likely that the virus transmitted during the thousands (millions?) of unnecessary interactions with wild animals humans have due to deforestation an
Even the most elementary lab precautions would have worked against COVID, let alone what we see in even the most poorly run labs, let alone a level 4 biohazard lab like this one.
It is a Level 4 Biohazard Lab where the staff told visiting American Diplomats their lab was unsafe and they needed help.
It is infinitely more likely that the virus transmitted during the thousands (millions?) of unnecessary interactions with wild animals humans have due to deforestation and the wet markets.
Yes, never mind the unsafe lab near the wet market, a lab that works with concentrations of the virus higher than that found in nature.
'No Evidence' says Xi (Score:2, Insightful)
No evidence at all, says Xi, vigorously brushing his hands together while standing on a particularly lumpy rug.
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Pushing a counter-narrative doesn't change the reality!
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
Pushing a counter-narrative doesn't change the reality!
What reality? What is the proof of that reality? Hitchen's Razor people.
You can start with these: (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 [nature.com]
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/coronavirus-origins-misinformation-yan-report-fact-check-cvd [nationalgeographic.com]
There's plenty more only a google search away. Our tech for working with viruses is pretty primitive stuff all things considered. It leaves clear markers anyone with a bit of knowledge in the field can see.
Meanwhile we've been warned for
You are arguing against a straw man (Score:2, Informative)
The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab with sloppy procedures and this naturally occurring virus escaped the lab. The CDC had warned about sloppy procedures at this lab before the COVID outbreak.
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"The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab"
Assuming that's true, it's not controversial that the lab was studying a virus they'd found 'in the wild', the same 'naturally occurring' virus that was eventually detected at the Wuhan market.
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"The claim is that a naturally occurring virus was being studied at a lab"
Assuming that's true, it's not controversial that the lab was studying a virus they'd found 'in the wild', the same 'naturally occurring' virus that was eventually detected at the Wuhan market.
It becomes an issue when the lab is identified, prior to the outbreak, as having poor safety procedures and containment is at risk. Plus the lab being in close physical proximity to ground zero makes it even more of an issue.
I've pointed this out several times (Score:2)
Even the most elementary lab precautions would have worked against COVID, let alone what we see in even the most poorly run labs, let alone a level 4 biohazard lab like this one.
It is infinitely more likely that the virus transmitted during the thousands (millions?) of unnecessary interactions with wild animals humans have due to deforestation an
Re:I've pointed this out several times (Score:3)
Even the most elementary lab precautions would have worked against COVID, let alone what we see in even the most poorly run labs, let alone a level 4 biohazard lab like this one.
It is a Level 4 Biohazard Lab where the staff told visiting American Diplomats their lab was unsafe and they needed help.
It is infinitely more likely that the virus transmitted during the thousands (millions?) of unnecessary interactions with wild animals humans have due to deforestation and the wet markets.
Yes, never mind the unsafe lab near the wet market, a lab that works with concentrations of the virus higher than that found in nature.