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Saturn's Rings Are Disappearing At a 'Worst-Case Scenario' Rate, NASA Says (usatoday.com) 228

A new study published in the journal Icarus found that Saturn is losing its signature rings at a "worst-case scenario" rate, and the bands could disappear completely within 100 million years. USA Today reports: The rings are being pulled into the planet "by gravity as a dusty rain of ice particles under the influence of Saturn's magnetic field," NASA said. The phenomenon is called "ring rain," and it drains enough water from rings to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool every 30 minutes, said James O'Donoghue of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "From this alone, the entire ring system will be gone in 300 million years," O'Donoghue said in a statement. "But add to this the Cassini-spacecraft measured ring-material detected falling into Saturn's equator, and the rings have less than 100 million years to live. We are lucky to be around to see Saturn's ring system, which appears to be in the middle of its lifetime."
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Saturn's Rings Are Disappearing At a 'Worst-Case Scenario' Rate, NASA Says

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  • Here's a fun game. Go out on the street and ask 30 random people what could be causing Saturn's rings to slowly dissapear. But first take a guess what the number one answer will be.

    • by Ambvai ( 1106941 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:05AM (#57828770)

      Global warming?

      • by dasunt ( 249686 )

        Re:And 30% of Americans blame this on ... Global warming?

        Probably you'd find a number like that. It is also very likely that very few, if any scientists, would blame the disappearance on global warming.

        Which probably should indicate we should listen more to scientists instead of random Americans when it comes to figuring out cause and effect and making predictions.

    • by meglon ( 1001833 )
      Here's a fun game. Go out on the street and ask 30 random people what planet has rings. My guess will be less than 5 say Saturn. However, for your fun game, the majority of 30 random people will still put out stupider than shit answers to most questions that people should learn the answer too in 9th grade.

      https://variety.com/2013/tv/ne... [variety.com]

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Humans sent "robots" with their space probe work.
      Space was fine until humans sent missions on fly pasts.
    • Trump?
      Global Warming?
      The Communists?
      Satan?
      Jews?
      Blacks?
      Whites?
      Cuba?
      Fluorine?
      Democrats?
      Republicans?

      I guarantee you all of these answers will appear somewhere

    • So did you just *invent* something so that you could say you hate the American people in public? Seriously? Don't you have enough gripes with them without making shit up?
    • I'm pretty sure a lot more will just say that these damn scientists just want more grant money so they scaremonger disappearing rings so they can steal our way of life and dictate that we can't drive SUVs anymore.

    • the many probes sent around Saturn and Jupiter?
  • I propose a sequel to Wall-E, where humanity realizes Saturns rings are almost gone - but saves the day by replacing missing ring-ice with plastic floating in the oceans of Earth!

    • by mark-t ( 151149 )
      Funny... but since you mentioned it, all of the plastic in earth's oceans wouldn't replace even one *millionth* of Saturn's rings, and it's also going away at least an entire order of magnitude faster than the rate at which humans have ever added plastic to our oceans.
      • all of the plastic in earth's oceans wouldn't replace even one *millionth* of Saturn's rings

        Aha, you are talking about all the plastic now - remember this is Wall-E FanFic, set in a distant time after much plastic has had time to accumulate, and the citizens showed a propensity for leaving crap outside!

        An interesting technical exercise - would all of the hydrocarbons on Earth manage to produce enough plastic to make a dent in replacing Saturn's rings?

  • by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:19AM (#57828794)

    We'll build bid, fat, beautiful new rings. They'll go up so fast your head will spin!

    And Enceladus will pay for it!

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      We'll build bid, fat, beautiful new rings.

      Eh, like other large-scale pork projects, I expect it will be a no-bid contract.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:27AM (#57828812)
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  • That’s all right. Now that we have a Space Force, we could probably go and make sure someone holds the rings in place so that our children 100 million years down the line can look at circular crap floating through space.
    • by drnb ( 2434720 )
      No need. Just dump the waste materials from orbital industries into orbit around Saturn to replace the lost matter.
      • by mark-t ( 151149 )
        I'm honestly not sure if you're joking or not. Do you know how much material there is in Saturn's rings?
        • Not enough?

          • by mark-t ( 151149 )
            Only if by not enough, you mean that we don't have enough waste material to even *begin* to replace what is being lost
        • by drnb ( 2434720 )
          Its not how much is in the rings, its how much is being lost in a given amount of time. The summary indicated about two swimming pools worth of material per hour. That seem manageable.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @03:36AM (#57828840)

    It means the Ace Rimmers across the multitudinous universes are living longer, on average - so the orbital decay of their coffins is happening more frequently than new coffins are arriving.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @04:32AM (#57828966)

    Seriously. You want to know what is truly to blame for people willfully ignoring climate change? Science journalism. When I see articles like this, that talk about an interesting observation of an astronomical phenomenon in the same way that the National Emergency Broadcasting System talks about impending thermonuclear annihilation, it makes me jaded to articles about things that actually affect me or more importantly, things that I affect. It isn't the fault nor really the responsibility of scientists to prevent their discoveries from falling in the hands of hacks, but it is BeauHD's fucking job to keep clickbait bullshit off the front page of Slashdot.

  • by Potor ( 658520 ) <farker1NO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @05:37AM (#57829028) Journal

    What does this even mean, in this context?

    I mean, apart from external realities causing science to lose it characteristic dispassion?

    • It means that if you were to take the equations modelling the system and look for the values that produce the greatest negative first order differential, the values Cassini was capable of observing are very close to those required.

      Or, if you like, increasing or decreasing any of those values would result in the rate of change declining.

      This is the only sense in which you can speak of a bound. If you choose to call this worst, and probably only the media do, it's childish but at least based on something real

  • So basically you shouldnt worry too much about what happens 100 million years ago, civilization will not last 100 thousand XD

    • So?

      Science was about discovery, understanding and prediction, last time I looked.

      Not about one species or any member therein.

  • by Artem S. Tashkinov ( 764309 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @06:02AM (#57829068) Homepage
    Wow, I'm so concerned.
  • Why is it a "worst" case scenario? Why not a best case scenario? Saturn will lose those freakish rings and will soon morph into a normal round planet like everyone else. It can be proud of its body for once.

    • Stop ringshaming, please.

    • by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      Right, this absurd value judgement has utterly no meaning. It is also a quote attributed to "NASA scientists" but does not appear in the quoted study.

      "We are lucky to be around to see Saturn’s ring system, which appears to be in the middle of its lifetime," said O'Donoghue.

      This is also not at all clear and is completely meaningless. What is special about the rings that makes us lucky to have seen them and how are we not unlucky to have not lived at another time to have seen even greater things? How

  • That's the ticket.

  • The Cassini probe May have disrupted the delicate balance of the rings when it flew by. That butterfly's effect of gravity cascaded into all the rings collapsing into the planet. We should just stay home?

  • Not bad... (Score:5, Funny)

    by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @09:10AM (#57829484) Journal
    Given that the company closed in 2008 and it is legally bound to provide spare parts only till 2018, it is really surprising its piston rings are going to last for 100 million years....

    Wait... it's not that Saturn right...?

  • the rings have less than 100 million years to live

    With the incredible rate of advancement of technology, we'll probably blow them up long before then!

  • by Headw1nd ( 829599 ) on Wednesday December 19, 2018 @10:12AM (#57829788)
    I feel like this significantly informs the theories of how the rings formed. If they are being lost this quickly, it would seem to disprove theories that have them being formed in the early solar system, and suggest a more recent cause.
    • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

      Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Once we figure out more, can we work backward? What caused them? How big/bright did they used to be? Did Jupiter used to look like Saturn, but clear out its rings faster, or are they of a different origin and type?

  • We're lucky to live in the 400 or 500 million year window when Saturn's rings are spectacular huh? I think we're also lucky to live in a time when we get those nice solar eclipses. Our moon used to be closer, probably blotted out too much of the sun, and someday it'll be further away, only annular eclipses.

    Truly, these are the best of times. Unless of course, Wolf-Rayet 104 blasts off or Yellowstone erupts or ...

  • In 100 millions years we will most likely have destroyed earth, either killing ourselves off, or spreading like a plague throughout the galaxy. Either way, Saturn's rings wont matter.
  • Oh, no. I read that wrong. It's 100 million years. I guess I don't have to hurry up to get my space passport renewed after all.
  • I love when people use numbers that appear big, except when compared to *really* big numbers.

    ...it drains enough water from rings to fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool every 30 minutes...

    OH NO! Except...

    ... the entire ring system will be gone in 300 million years...

    300,000,000 years * 365 days * 48 half-hours in a day = 5,256,000,000,000. So there are 5.256 TRILLION swimming pools worth of water up there. I'm not going to lay awake tonight worrying about this.

  • The cause/source of the rings is still unknown. Thus, how do they know they'll disappear if the source is not known? The cause/source may replenish the rings.

    While a one-time collision is one possible cause, periodic ice-burping by a moon or two may also be the source.

    One interesting theory is that periodically a pair of moons get too close to each other, heat each other up, melt their cores, burp water/ice, swap orbits, and then drift into normal orbits for a while again. (Sounds like my marriage.)

  • We are lucky to be around to see Saturn's ring system, which appears to be in the middle of its lifetime.

    And we're unlucky to have missed Jupiter's rings, which were far more impressive.

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