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Universe's Dark Ages May Not Be Invisible After All 55

StartsWithABang writes: The Universe had two periods where light was abundant, separated by the cosmic dark ages. The first came at the moment of the hot Big Bang, as the Universe was flooded with (among the matter, antimatter and everything else imaginable) a sea of high-energy photons, including a large amount of visible light. As the Universe expanded and cooled, eventually the cosmic microwave background was emitted, leaving behind the barely visible, cooling photons. It took between 50 and 100 million years for the first stars to turn on, so in between these two epochs of the Universe being flooded with light, we had the dark ages. Yet the dark ages may not be totally invisible, as the forbidden spin-flip-transition of hydrogen may illuminate this time period after all.
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Universe's Dark Ages May Not Be Invisible After All

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      Turtles. Billions and billions of turtles.
      And exactly one pony.

  • Starts with a Bang (Score:5, Insightful)

    by vikingpower ( 768921 ) on Sunday May 24, 2015 @08:48AM (#49763051) Homepage Journal
    is not scientific news, nor does the link point to any academic results. "Ask Ethan" is simply a popular-scientific discussion of results already known. So no News for Nerds, and hardly any Stuff that Matters, IMHO.
    • I think I figured out who "StartsWithABang" is...
    • by itzly ( 3699663 )

      hardly any Stuff that Matters

      But we get Matter that Stuffs.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by dohzer ( 867770 )

      There are so many of these crappy articles every day that I've just started ignoring anything that "starts with a bang".
      It's such a shame what has become of slashdot lately.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        Shamefully, I actually read TFA. It has a lot of great background on the problem, and is a fine read for someone who hasn't ever looked into cosmology before, but it actually has less information than the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] on using the 21cm "hydrogen line" to observe the "dark age" of the universe. Prettier pictures than Wikipedia, though.

    • is not scientific news, nor does the link point to any academic results. "Ask Ethan" is simply a popular-scientific discussion of results already known. So no News for Nerds, and hardly any Stuff that Matters, IMHO.

      While i can't disagree with you (althrough i find this "Ask Ethan" to be good written, and deep enough, stuff), you must agree that this story is at least one of the rare Slashdot stories about something other than the usual TOTALY unrelated to "news for nerds" - in the one month i am a "Slashdoter" i managed to make so many comments about religion (i am a/the religious guy!) or the Greek economy (i am Greek!) for example, but only few about something related to nerds (but even then i did not felt so good:

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      You're absolutely right. Ever person who has read Slashdot since it started knows far more about astrophysics then that feeble Ethan guy. He's scientifically illiterate compared to the rest of us.

      We all just woke up one morning and said to ourselves "I'm going over to Wikipedia and read about the forbidden spin flip transition of hydrogen and it's relationship to the 'dark age' period when the expanding universe first became transparent to electromagnetic radiation." I know I did.

      You shouldn't hold back.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The forbidden Hydrogen spin-flip-transition was first banned at the Olympic Games of 13,299,999,996 BC due to a string of injuries. It will be interesting to see if they can pull it off, although the judges may not be impressed by such an illegal maneuver, which will almost certainly result in an automatic disqualification. Still, they are choosing to make a statement of validity of the maneuver, even at the expense of a possible gold medal. Riveting. Simply riveting.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Right, but in order for the judges to even monitor the forbidden hydrogen spin-flip-transition, you need to correctly determine the quantum entanglement vector using the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, pass the result through Schrodinger's box, then re-integrate the polynomial (BTW it's over 9,000) and view the result using Google Cardboard.
    • ... Olympics judges flip you!

  • by slashmydots ( 2189826 ) on Sunday May 24, 2015 @01:18PM (#49763897)
    Can someone explain "high-energy photons." The way I understand physics if you add energy to something it moves faster. Photons travel at one speed. The only other option is for them to appear to add mass to themselves when energy is applied. Photons don't have mass apparently. So what are the properties of a high energy photon and how is the energy not expressed as speed?
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You know that whole mass-equivalence equation Einstein is famous for? E=mc^2?

      That's a simplification.The expanded version is called the Energy-momentum relation:

      E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2

      p is momentum. When momentum is 0, you can simplify to:

      E = mc^2

      If you have a massless particle, such as a photon, m = 0. That make the whole equation simplify to:

      E = pc

      Thus, high energy photons have high momentum.

    • Re:what? (Score:4, Informative)

      by Drumhellar ( 1656065 ) on Sunday May 24, 2015 @02:54PM (#49764257)
      The energy is expressed as wavelength - higher energy photons have shorter wavelengths.

      And, if it helps, shorter wavelengths = higher frequency, if you choose to describe it that way (Since, the frequency in Hz of light, including radio, is the distance light travels in a second divided by the wavelength).
    • by HiThere ( 15173 )

      Higher energy photons are distinct from lower energy photons in having a shorter wavelength. They both travel at (about) the same speed. Presumably in a true vacum they would travel at exactly the same speed.

      Thus blue light is more energetic than red light, and has a shorter wave length. You measure the energy of the photons by absorbing a certain number and measuring the change in velocity or temperature of the thing that absorbed them. (Usually this is done by some sort of photocell arrangement were t

    • by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Sunday May 24, 2015 @03:19PM (#49764367)

      Blue light is higher energy than red light.

      X-Rays are higher energy than any visible light.

      Radio waves are lower energy than any visible light.

      Gamma rays are higher energy than X-Rays (and all other photons, because past a point, we call everything a gamma ray)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E... [wikipedia.org]

      If you had enough energy to make one 350nm photon (a wavelength that just might be visible, maybe, as it is UV), you could instead make two 700nm photons with the same energy (which also might just barely be visible, as it is at the edge of infrared). More reasonably, if you had enough energy to make 3 blue photons, you could instead make 4 red ones with that same amount of energy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V... [wikipedia.org]
      http://www.chemteam.info/Elect... [chemteam.info]

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