Woman Suffers Significant Weight Gain After Fecal Transplant 378
Beeftopia (1846720) writes In a case reported in the journal Open Forum Infectious Diseases, a woman suffering from a drug-resistant intestinal infection gained 36 pounds after receiving a fecal transplant from her overweight daughter. Previous mouse studies have shown thin mice gain weight after ingesting fecal bacteria from obese mice. The woman previously was not overweight. After the procedure, despite a medically supervised liquid protein diet and exercise regimen, the woman remained obese. Her doctor said, "She came back about a year later and complained of tremendous weight gain... She felt like a switch flipped in her body, to this day she continues to have problems... as a result I'm very careful with all our donors don't use obese people."
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Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Interesting)
Now you have me wondering if we can make dumb people smart, and mean people nice. We may achieve world peace through fecal transplants.
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Interesting)
I know its a joke, but not really. At the end of the day, humans are just fairly complicated machines, or even just a big complex chemical reaction.
Pretty much everything we do comes from either training/uprising, or from some biological system or another. As time goes, we'll figure out all of the later...and statistics will take care of the former.
Will be a very boring world probably, but...
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why boring? We've established that psychopaths are far more successful in modern society, so obviously the first thing anyone who wants the best for their children should do is have them engineered for psychopathy. Empathy is for the weak. Should make things *extremely* interesting...
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Point taken. I stand corrected.
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Interesting)
We've established that psychopaths are far more successful in modern society, so obviously the first thing anyone who wants the best for their children should do is have them engineered for psychopathy. Empathy is for the weak
No, game theory tells us that sociopaths do well in a society that is primarily composed of non-sociopaths, but do not do so well in a society where they are the majority (and that society also doesn't do well as a whole).
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Can you name a single primarily psychopathic society to provide even anecdotal experimental evidence for your claim? Theory is nice and all, but is notoriously inapplicable to human behavior.
Also, of what concern is that to the parents who can afford to have their children "enhanced"? All they have to do is ensure that most people can't afford "upgrades" and their children will make out like the bandits they were designed to be.
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Can you name a single primarily psychopathic society to provide even anecdotal experimental evidence for your claim? Theory is nice and all, but is notoriously inapplicable to human behavior.
I am not at all providing this as any evidence for the GP's claim, I'm just mentioning one of my favorite books by Frank Herbert; "The Dosadi Experiment". A planet full of sociopaths makes for a dangerous environment.
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:4)
That's the point, isn't it? There are no primarily psychopathic societies because they are unsuccessful -- they die out too quickly to create records.
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Probably referring to the Prisoner's Dilemma which is a payoff matrix that results in trusting players doing better than rational players.
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I don't disagree - but we've got how many thousands of years of civilization under our belts? And the psychopaths are still on top.
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There's a difference: people on the top are often psychopaths, but being a psychopath doesn't get you an automatic place on the top. There's only so much room there.
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Free will is an illusion and the 'ability to choose' is a legal and social construct. You are wrong.
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Now you have me wondering if we can make dumb people smart
No, but you can make smart people dumb. Toxoplasmosis [wikipedia.org] is spread via feces. It infects about 11% of Americans, and about 30% of people worldwide. It is correlated with lower IQ, and diminished curiosity. Infected rodents lose their fear of cats.
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It's correlated with *increased* curiosity. Hence the loss of fear.
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Funny)
So that's the definition of 'humanitarian.' I always wondered about that.
Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Informative)
If a fat person eats skinny people shit will they lose weight??
I don't know about that one, but having worms in your intestine can make you lose weight for sure.
See picture [ytimg.com]. It's just like a big bowl of yummy pasta!
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...Well, I'm not eating for the rest of the day.
Here's the Youtube video from which that image is from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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>It's just like a big bowel of yummy pasta.
There, fixed it for ya.
Doubtful (Score:3, Insightful)
The presence of gut bacteria with such high efficiency (they ones that make you fat by being too good at their job) won't be counter-acted by the presence of the less efficient variety.
What this means, though, is that I can no longer feel the familiar sense of derision for fat people. Their obesity really may be a product of their microecology, rather than their laziness and hedonistic eating habits. Now I have to feel pity for them instead.
I guess I can still feel superior to them, since I still am physi
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You still need to consume > 2200-2700 calories a day for an average size human to gain weight beyond 200 lbs or so (realistically you'll top out at about 180lbs even if you sleep all day but let's use round numbers). If you're 250 lbs or 300 lbs you have to consume way more than 3000 calories a day to simply maintain that bulk of flesh. Fat people are still fat because they eat more than they ought to, this article, if 100% true, doesn't change that fact
Re:Doubtful (Score:5, Informative)
Did you even bother to read the article? The woman's eating habits and calorie intake were carefully measured and she gained weight despite not changing anything. I've lost 35 lbs with exercise, but despite spending almost 100 minutes and 1100 calories a day, I still can't get rid of the last 5-10 lbs of flab. It doesn't matter how little I eat.
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You can't eat 2000 calories a day and sustain 3000 calories worth of warm-blooded flesh, either the study is in error or the laws of thermodynamics needs to be re-examined. Unless the bacteria use some sort of endothermic process and the room she was kept in stayed above 98.6F in which case I want to read the article.
Or our calorie measurement methods need updating (Score:5, Informative)
You may find this article [businessinsider.com] informative.
Calorie measurements of food are just estimates, the particulars vary. The gut bacteria of fat people absorb more of the available energy than that of skinny people, but our measurements of the calories in food aren't necessarily the max amount that could be absorbed.
To put it simply, fat people get more calories from the same food than skinny people, regardless of how many calories the label says the food has.
Re:Doubtful (Score:5, Informative)
That only applies when you're dealing with basically an ISO Standard nutrient processing system on a lab-made nutrient slurry--basically, lab mice on lab block.
Basically, gut bacteria are actually a pretty essential part of processing nutrients, and in some cases the actual source of much of them. Certain types of problems basically will leave you incapable of properly processing parts--for example, with my aunt certain kinds of foods are now pretty much processed directly into fats, and the body is quite capable of taking part of those 3000 Calories' worth of warm-blooded flesh and using that to sustain it when the 2000 Calories of the food intake is being mostly stored. (And yes, the capitalization matters: nutrition uses the kilocalorie, actually, and in a confusing fit of non-standard metric renders it Calorie instead. Either way, the amount of error due to rounding introduced into the values is left as an exercise for the reader.)
This can, however, be caused by things like a food intolerance or a metabolic dysfunction, and one of the basic tests to see if the person's obesity is a symptom is to, well, cut the caloric intake while maintaining the same levels of activity and see if weight loss happens. The wide range of things it's a symptom of--from things as amazingly cheap & easy to treat such as thyroid disease to those essential to catch early like cancer--are such that failing to check the cause is like...well...failing to check to see if the computer's problem is that it's not turned on.
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Actually that has nothing to do with the laws of thermodynamics. (Hint: read them. You figure they are easy to understand and focus around heat engines, notable about the relation between volume, temperature and pressure of gases)
Secondly, if you had read the article, which you did mot have obviously, you had noticed that the 'victim' here has the 'wrong' gut bacterias. What is 2000kcal on paper, according to nutrition tables, is 3000 - 3200kcal for her (that is not in the paper, that is my estimate) Read m
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1. People are animals.
Transplanting fat-rat microbes into skinny rats resulted in the skinny rats turning fat. The science behind it really isn't hard to understand: different animals have different microbe cultures in their guts, which process foods differently. So what on earth would make you think that this couldn't possibly happen with people, and that it's perfectly safe to transplant fat-person microbes into a skinny person?
2. Well it obviously did work here: the skinny person got fat thanks to th
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I tried that with rice cakes once. It didn't work.
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Re:what about skinny people? (Score:5, Funny)
I am not going to take any shit from you.
Okay, so... (Score:4, Insightful)
Figure out which bacteria the obese patients have in common that the thin ones don't, and figure out a way to eliminate it.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:5, Informative)
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Probably because the weight loss industry would work against such methods - they will lose the customers.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:5, Interesting)
Figure out which bacteria the obese patients have in common
They've done some perliminary studies, and one major difference is the proportion of Firmicutes [wikipedia.org] to Bacteroides [wikipedia.org]. Fewer Bacteroides and more Firmicutes are correlated with being obese. Those are borad classes, though, and not particular strains, and it's not clear if it's the presense of Firmicutes, or the abscence of Bacteroides which is related to obesity.
Bacteroides likes to eat complex polysaccharides, like those found in many plants, so it's speculated (but not known) that a diet high in plant polysaccharides would promote the presence of Bacteroides, and correspondingly reduce the number of Firmicutes
Re:Okay, so... (Score:4, Informative)
Bacteroides likes to eat complex polysaccharides, like those found in many plants, so it's speculated (but not known) that a diet high in plant polysaccharides would promote the presence of Bacteroides, and correspondingly reduce the number of Firmicutes
What would be more interesting is if these bacteria actually influenced their host's behavior to drive more consumption of sugars. I'm skinny and have never had a strong desire to consume sweets. The majority of the overweight population who can't naturally control their consumption of high-energy foods seem alien and puzzling to me.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:5, Interesting)
There is something to what you say. My own experience was that once the gut flora got out of balance, yeast took over.
During those few years of yeast overgrowth I developed very weird craving for sugars were often I won't be able to go to sleep [and shake like I am dying of starvation] if I did not eat sweet. Once the problem was identified I was put on no sugar at all diet. It took some discipline in the beginning, but to my delight once the yeast began dying [regular lab tests showed that] this maniacal cravings just disappeared and did not come back [1 year so far].
So there is something about this. The guys in our intestines seem to have profound effect on many, many things in our physiological and psychological health.
Tully, the old saying "tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are" seems to be spot on. During one of my doctor's visit I quoted the fad line "Well, those guys are sometimes called the second genome, right?"
To which the doctor banged with her fist on the table and said "No, they are the first genome! They got more genes than us, their network of biofilm comprises an actual organ [without which we will be dead] , making it the largest organ in the body, 60% of your immune system happens in the intestine. Those guys can make us sick, the can cure us, they can make us crazy. And they were doing that job well before Homo Sapiens came to be. They are the first!"
Re:Okay, so... (Score:4, Informative)
Good find! Here's an interesting study on how over-activation of Toll-Like Receptor 5 by certain bacteria was highly correlated with obesity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu... [nih.gov]
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Actually, it does not.
The problem your parent points out is only *one* of the options. The more general situation is that some humans, most of them obese, harbour gut bacterias similar to cows.
Hence they break up fibers, and salat and vegetables are very rich on fibers in relation to their carb level.
In other word they have more than 2x the kcals than rated on the label or in a diet book, if you have thise bacteria.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:5, Interesting)
The whole point is many skinny people violate this law but do not get obese.
I do and the way I eat absolutely upsets a few larger people I know.
burgers, doughnuts, eating out a lot, snacking all the time, yet I'm a solid 155lbs at 5'11 with a desk job as a software developer sitting all day. Nothing I do changes my weight and I'm a very small framed athletic looking individual who takes about 2 shits a day if it matters to anyone.
I also drink loads of coffee and soda, then sit around idle and program.
So the law is kinda bullshit for some of us.... This whole bacteria talk is about trying to bestow traits like mine unto people who can't lose weight without literally starving it out of them with your "law".
Re: Okay, so... (Score:3)
If he's drinking multiple non-diet sodas a day, he's practically guaranteed to be above a 2000 cal diet.
This article is not science. A single uncontrolled data point is far from convincing. There appears to be some legitimate evidence from studies in mice that gut bacteria transplants can have an significant effect on weight (on phone so no ref), but it's not definitively proven.
This particular case could be explained in a thousand other ways.
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It's called a case study. It is in fact science. It doesn't "prove" anything but illuminates possibilities for further research.
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If they did somehow take in more calories then they put out without gaining weight they would be destroying matter and energy
When you say "take in", you mean the food that people put in their mouths. But not all nutrients that people put in their mouths are absorbed in the blood stream. Some are passed in the stools, and others are metabolised by the gut bacteria.
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Between 0% and 100% is enough variation left. Even a 5% difference on a 2500 kcal diet equals 15 pounds of fat after a year.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole point is many skinny people violate this law but do not get obese.
No, they don't. If they did somehow take in more calories then they put out without gaining weight they would be destroying matter and energy, which is physically impossible in our universe. Our bodies are not some magical boxes where the laws of physics suddenly stop applying.
Um, no, you're wrong. One possibility is that their bodies excrete a higher percentage of the food they take in without metabolizing it. No magic involved.
I think you have a too simplistic view of human bodies. They are not machines that perfectly process whatever is put into them.
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actually it isn't. some people only need 1,000 calories a day, others need 2,000 extremely active people need 3-5 thousand.
Eating less than a thousand calories a day actually makes you gain fat as your body stores it.
I run about 1,200 calories a day and I can barely maintain my weight. Yes that is two slices of toast for breakfast, a glass a milk. a 140 calories snack bar, and 140 calorie yogurt for lunch, and a healthy dinner of salads, and usually chicken, but I mix up the protein. Very rarely do i ea
Re:Okay, so... (Score:4, Interesting)
Figure out what to cut out of that. If I could figure out a way of inverting it and eat the big meal in the morning I might be better off but the timing sucks.
Easy. The carbs.
Toast = carbs. Milk = carbs. Snack bar = carbs. Yogurt = carbs. For two meals every day, your protein to carbs ratio sucks. Eat 125g of carbs per day or less. Count it out. Then, eat as much protein and vegetables as you like. Meat, eggs, cheese, nuts, carrots, celery, pickles, etc.
Here's what I ate on my way to losing 70 pounds in 9 months:
Breakfast: Bacon, eggs fried in butter, hot or iced tea. Limit myself to one slice of toast, one piece of fruit or a half cup of juice (about 4 ounces), if at all
Lunch: This is where I eat most of my carbs. As a programmer, I must have one Coke (40g carbs) in the middle of the day to function properly. Beyond that I would eat something with only about 30g-40g of carbs.
Dinner. Again, eat about 30-40g of carbs max, depending on what I ate the rest of the day. If I need to snack after dinner, it's meat, eggs, cheese, nuts, carrots, celery, pickles, etc.
The weight dropped off effortlessly, despite me eating as much as I wanted. The problem is that our modern society has shifted food to where our balance is completely off compared to how we were designed.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:4, Informative)
Here's what I ate on my way to losing 70 pounds in 9 months:
Losing 70 lbs in 9 months is not hard. The important question is: How much did you weigh five years later?
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Yogurt = carbs
Plain yogurt has 45% of the calories from fat, 30% from carbs, and 25% from protein.
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Eating less than a thousand calories a day actually makes you gain fat as your body stores it.
No. It makes no sense for the body to store fat when all the energy is needed to sustain basic metabolism.
Re:Okay, so... (Score:4, Interesting)
Funny that this law doesn't apply to everyone. I know a guy who literally doesn't eat. He inhales. I actually doubt that he chews. As for "exercise", there's very little outside the area of mouse clicking and occasional trips to the fridge to get a new soda.
One should assume that he's a lardball. He isn't. Quite the opposite.
There is nearly certainly some other reason behind some people's weight that cannot be explained with "too much food and too little exercise" alone.
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Don't assume that he's healthy though. My mom teaches 4th grade and was complaining once that the mouse they
were feeding nothing but sugar was losing weight while the mouse they were feeding healthy was gaining weight.
I told her it probably was because the mouse eating nothing but sugar was slowly dying.
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Obviously it isn't the whole law: wood has quite a lot of calories and burns nicely in a stove. But try getting fat from eating sawdust.
What, nobody told you what that "filler" is in all those foods imported from China?
Choose your food handlers wisely (Score:5, Funny)
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And only those who could give a shit.
Have I lost my mind? (Score:3)
Re:Have I lost my mind? (Score:5, Informative)
When something happens and your guts flora goes out of wack, because of a previous illness, some surgery, whatever, your digestive system suffers quite a bit, and has no way to recover (those bacterias don't come out of nowhere...if 100% of them are gone, they're not coming back...).
So the only way to get them back is to transplant bacterias from someone else, to "bootstrap" your system anew. And the easiest way to get a bunch of those bacterias is in, well...yanno...
So they either take a piece and stick it in you, or they make a pill out of a little bit of it. Gross as hell, but less gross than dealing with a fucked up guts flora.
Re:Have I lost my mind? (Score:5, Informative)
It doesn't have to be all that bad. You freeze dry the feces (that can't be fun). The smelly parts go up the evaporator, mostly. Some protocols spin out the debris (yesterdays burrito bits) leaving you with some flotsam that should be mostly bacteria. You put that in an enteric coated pill (so the stomach acid doesn't clobber everything) or you shove it up the butt using one of a number of techniques (insert, so to speak, favorite joke here).
Wait a bit and see what happens.
This is a very trendy field since 1) it clearly works for a defined illness (Clostridium difficele infections) 2) has an interesting and biologically plausible mechanism(s) 3) is easy to make (see above, do not try this at home, professional driver on closed course and all that) and has virtually limitless advertising possibilities. Even aside from the Holy Grail of weight loss and 4) should be able to keep Jon Stewart, 4chan and the rest of the planet in bad jokes for quite some time.
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3) is easy to make (see above, do not try this at home, professional driver on closed course and all that)
Actually, people are doing it at home.
It's a SFW thing to search for, as long as you get your search terms right.
"diy" or "home" and "fecal transplant"
There's really no difference between what you can do at home and what a doctor can do for you, other than ordering up disease and parasite screening tests for your donor.
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"should be able to keep Jon Stewart, 4chan and the rest of the planet in bad jokes for quite some time."
No sh*t, Sherlock!
(Sorry, it's a sh*tty joke, but someone had to say it :-)
I remember how weird it was when I was visiting someone in the hospital and saw the sign on the door saying the room was for fecal transplants. Must be a real sh*tty job working there ... especially as the janitor.
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That's not quite accurate. Those bacteria are all around us and especially on the food you eat. It may take a while for those bacteria to increase enough in population so to speed things up you inoculate your system.
The same thing can happen with bread,beer or wine. You can go ahead and wait for the natural yeast to take over or you can take a vial of ready to go yeast and pitch it in to get things started right away.
I know this personally because when I met my wife her family ate beans quite often. I was v
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The same thing can happen with bread,beer or wine. You can go ahead and wait for the natural yeast to take over or you can take a vial of ready to go yeast and pitch it in to get things started right away.
The same thing that can happen with bread, beer, or wine can happen in your body, too: the wrong (undesirable) flora take root before the stuff that you want, and it outcompetes the desirable organisms and then you suffer. Or in the case of beer, you get nasty beer. It may still be alcoholic, but it will probably be gross.
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...your digestive system suffers quite a bit, and has no way to recover (those bacterias don't come out of nowhere...if 100% of them are gone, they're not coming back...
Where do babies get them from? Surely there is no interintestinal transfer from mom to womb.
Re:Have I lost my mind? (Score:5, Interesting)
The child's intestine gets colonized during childbirth. That's been discovered to be one of the problems with Caesarian section, in fact. The baby's large intestine doesn't get the proper bacterial colonization.
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...your digestive system suffers quite a bit, and has no way to recover (those bacterias don't come out of nowhere...if 100% of them are gone, they're not coming back...
Where do babies get them from? Surely there is no interintestinal transfer from mom to womb.
If you've ever changed an infant's diaper you'd have seen that green-yellow mess that comes out for a while.
Kids put everything in their mouth. Put them on the floor, they'll lick the carpets. Unsupervised they'll eat the "poopsicles" in the cat litter, and play with the dogs "turdles." Every time they find something they'll put it in their mouth.
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From med school: they swallow the mother's fluids during childbirth.
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Moving beneficial intestinal bacteria from one person to another.
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Does it have to be branded "FecaMax" at $10,000 per gram, or is there a generic?
Re:Have I lost my mind? (Score:5, Interesting)
Exactly what it sounds like.
Humans have gut bacteria. These bacteria are required for the gut to function properly. In some cases a person can lose theirs following a course of really powerful antibiotics - they'll kill whatever's causing their disease, but kill all the required bacteria in their gut too. This is a bad thing: Gut without bacteria doesn't work very well and, though it's not fatal, is going to leave the patient suffering a number of unpleasant conditions. The solution is very simple though. Just take someone with a healthy bacterial ecosystem in their gut, extract a handy lump of bacteria, insert it into the unhealthy patient. The ready-made bacterial colony then takes hold there and returns things to a healthy balance. It sounds disgusting and, well, it is. But it works.
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half the commercials on TV now are for pills or hospitals. Why do hospitals and health offices need to advertise?
Because you're in the US. Used to never see it in Canada except for OTC (over the counter) "medicines." Recently a few have crept in. They can't be too effective, because they really haven't flourished.
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Recently a few have crept in. They can't be too effective, because they really haven't flourished.
The Canadian government negotiates bulk prices directly with the pharmaceutical companies, which reduces their profit margins. So an ad for a prescription drug, that will increase sales by, say 20%, is worth running in America, but will not pay for itself in Canada. In America, the pharmaceutical companies are incentivized to charge higher prices in order to pay for more marketing. The ads will increase sales more than lower prices will.
Re:Have I lost my mind? (Score:4, Interesting)
This is what I tell my colleagues, who notice that I never really get sick. If you didn't grow up in the country eating dirt, head out to a mall and find an escalator. Put your tongue on the railing and wait for it to go all the way around. If you don't die, you'll find yourself with a nice healthy immune system and excellent gut flora.
So far nobody has taken me up on it.
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You eat the poopoo!
(ok, I know, not quite, but hey, when can you actually use that meme without going off topic?)
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God have nothing to do with that. More than a single entity we are a community, not just formed by our own cells and ADN, but also by several bacterial ecosystems that we have in different places of our bodies. We get the first load right in the birth canal, then though our mothers milk, and from there influenced by our own environment, food, etc.
One of the mainly studied ones are the gut bacteria, that do things like processing the food that we can't, or influences our mood and other cognitive processes.
Story Draws Trolls to Convene (Score:2)
So, don't take any shit...
Maybe just not being ill (Score:2)
Being ill takes a lot of energy, being healthy again but still eating and exorsizing to the same level could result weight gain.
I would think a search though the data should start to answer this question. Or relationship with our gutflora is more complex than can be summed up. There may be lots of changes in peoples that could be made this way. More collecting of before and after facts (even things like concentration, strangth, dexterity) should be considered.
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Reality TV - isn't.
Intestinal infection, don't jump to conclusions. (Score:2, Insightful)
She wasn't overweight when she had a persistent intestinal infection and gained weight after it was cured. She might well be eating more simply because it doesn't cause her discomfort anymore, or her body uses fewer resources because it doesn't have to fight an infection, or her colon has become better at absorbing the nutrients in her food because it's no longer infected.
Worth looking into, but if your conclusion is that the bacterial composition in the colon makes people fat, you're getting ahead of yours
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Or it could be that the bacteria break down the nutrients that reach the intestines better so that it eases their absorption by the gut. It is well known for example that termites can only digest cellulose tanks to microbial flora.
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s/tanks/thanks/g
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Actually, according to TFA, she was overweight prior to the treatment, with a BMI of 26 (which is borderline overweight). So yeah, I th
n=1? (Score:2)
Cordyceps controls bug brains to propagate... (Score:4, Interesting)
More evidence to support my hypothesis that gut flora plays games with us. All it takes is one bacteria secreting a chemical that makes us feel like crap if we don't eat the sugars or whatever it craves and secreting something else that makes us feel good when we do.
Maybe resisting that sick feeling and staying on course means the rogue organism will starve to death?
There are gut flora organisms which can't be cultured outside the gut, or even outside certain portions of the gut. We don't know what a lot of them do, but there are something like 2kg (~4lb) of them in each of us. Being quite small, each of us is vastly outnumbered on the scale that war against these beasts is basically genocide (How To Make A Vegan Explode -101).
So in other words, the fat woman is full of shit? (Score:2)
... but did the treatment work?? (Score:2)
the important question is did the procedure solve the intestinal problem?
In the words of Cee Lo Green (Score:2)
actual study (Score:5, Informative)
In brief:
Woman weighed 136 pounds, daughter weight 140 pounds. After transplant from daughter to woman, she didn't return for 16 months (according to my reading of the article). The woman had gained up to 177 pounds, while the daughter gained up to 170 pounds.
So this is more a case report than an study. Journals are used for communication between professionals. This doctor is saying, "hey, something weird happened.....it might be a coincidence (there is a lot wrong with this woman), but keep an eye out for anything similar."
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Nope. (Score:2)
I'm just about to have lunch, thanks.
Could be worse... (Score:3)
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Roll up your sleeves and bend over.
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Huh. I wonder if a whole host of problems people have after major medical events can be attributed to a change in gut fauna triggered by antibiotics. My body has just been different after my emergency appendectomy.
Are you sure it was an appendectomy?
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There have been studies showing a link between heavy antibiotic use in children under the age of 3 and regressive autism, caused by a commonly occurring antibacterial-resistant bacteria (Clostridia) proliferating in the absence of competition, which produces a neurotoxin as a waste byproduct (Propionic Acid)
This is why I find the anti-vaxxers so ironic. They ALMOST figured it out, but started blaming vaccines instead of antibiotics.
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You do realize that there 'have been studies' that show a link from pretty much anything to anything else. These sorts of studies are quick, easy and quite often, completely wrong when attempts are made to determine causality. They're like bible quotations. They can say anything you want them to say.
Statistics is hard.
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Yup, same here. After my wisdom tooth removal, I was prescribed Dalacin. I got a nice case of pseudomembranous colitis which sent me to the ER, with acute pain like being stabbed in the gut.
After being fixed with several IV courses of penicillin, I was "cured", but since then I have many IBS-type symptoms and have had to make a list of items I must avoid eating.
I'm fatter and depressed now.
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BUT YOU Decide that maybe it is a good idea to shove some sterilized shit into someone gut
The whole point of the exercise is that it's unsterilized.
Also, only the gullible believe in "colon cleansings". You could get the same effect a lot cheaper by taking 2 bottles of Fleet, and you'll be clean as a whistle inside, but it won't improve your health.