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Software Error Caused Soyuz/Galileo Failure 157

schwit1 writes An investigation into the recent failed Soyuz launch of the EU's Galileo satellites has found that the Russian Fregat upper stage fired correctly, but its software was programmed for the wrong orbit. From the article: "The failure of the European Union’s Galileo satellites to reach their intended orbital position was likely caused by software errors in the Fregat-MT rocket’s upper-stage, Russian newspaper Izvestia reported Thursday. 'The nonstandard operation of the integrated management system was likely caused by an error in the embedded software. As a result, the upper stage received an incorrect flight assignment, and, operating in full accordance with the embedded software, it has delivered the units to the wrong destination,' an unnamed source from Russian space Agency Roscosmos was quoted as saying by the newspaper."
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Software Error Caused Soyuz/Galileo Failure

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28, 2014 @10:29PM (#47781267)

    I've been hearing all this about the much vaunted chops of these Russian coders, but frankly I don't ever see it.

    I've heard American programmers are brilliant but then Mars probe crashed because it used wrong units (why didn't it warn that parameter was too low?) ... or the "cloud" services crashed due to (leap year, HD error, "unspecified error", etc.. etc..)

    I've heard European programmers are brilliant, but then Ariane explodified itself due to an overflow

    I've heard Japanese programmers are brilliant, but then the Honda thing happened, causing cars to go out of control.

    They obviously haven't even heard of SQA. What gives?

    Easy to blame things in hind sight and be all grand about it. If you haven't yet fucked up, it's because you have yet to achieve anything yourself.

  • Not A SW error! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 28, 2014 @11:08PM (#47781385)

    This is not a SW error! The software put them right where they were told to. The orbital parameters were wrong! This is a data error not a SW error!

  • by Brannon ( 221550 ) on Thursday August 28, 2014 @11:23PM (#47781457)

    There's almost no overlap between the skills & techniques necessary to write & verify critical software (e.g. when lives or huge amounts of money are on the line) vs. what is considered to be "programming". Modern software engineering's approach to reliable system design is about where hardware engineering was fifty years ago, and about where civil engineering was 100 years ago.

    SQA is a joke. Reliable systems are made using way more robust techniques, including: (a) a severely restricted state space, (b) redundancy, (c) formal proofs, (d) fully (and formally) specified interfaces, (e) random simulation, (f) several different types of coverage, (g) physics-based analysis, etc.

    The failure of the software community to understand this distinction is why I'm scared to death about the coming world of driver-less cars and robots performing surgery. How many people are going to be killed by C++ in the next decade?

  • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Thursday August 28, 2014 @11:38PM (#47781515)

    I'm scared to death about the coming world of driver-less cars and robots performing surgery.

    Your fears are not rational. Self driving cars and robotic surgeons are tested for thousands of hours, under live conditions. SDCs are not perfect, but they already have a far better safety record than the average human driver. I had LASIK eye surgery done by a robot. I trusted it far more than I would a human surgeon. Getting rocket software right is difficult precisely because there is no way to do a live test. It has to work perfectly on the very first attempt. Very few other applications have such a severe constraint.

    How many people are going to be killed by C++ in the next decade?

    A lot fewer than would have died without it.

  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:00AM (#47781613) Homepage Journal

    it seems to me that in this case the programmers job was done 100% perfect.

    but the program was given wrong place to take the satellites to.

  • by Brannon ( 221550 ) on Friday August 29, 2014 @12:14AM (#47781675)

    This is probably something that is well understood by the engineers who are building robot surgeons (and maybe even by those building driverless cars), but it certainly isn't well understood by the overwhelming majority of software engineers and it's just a matter of time until the unwashed hordes of C++ monkeys are unleashed unto critical systems.

    Bridges aren't designed and tested by "trial & error"--if they were then half of them would fall down within a few weeks. Neither are buildings or pacemakers or computer chips.

    There are some scary problems with how [many if not most] software engineers see the world which don't bode well for a world where software can kill:
    (a) by and large they've had essentially no exposure to any method of verification other than "trial & error"
    (b) they have insufficient reverence for cause and effect because most of their bugs have really low cost (as in, nobody dies)--therefore they aren't mentally trained to make disciplined decisions.
    (c) arrogance: unlike every other kind of engineer, software engineers rarely encounter the boundaries of their knowledge. A civil engineer knows when to call a materials engineer, a mechanical engineer knows when to talk to an industrial or chemical engineer, but a software engineer spends their entire lives inside a carefully constructed virtual world where they can't really do that much damage.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29, 2014 @03:18AM (#47782289)

    The requirements for functional safety in programming industrial safety critical systems are well known, and are very different from the requirements for programming. Boiler flame safety systems are commonly microprocessor based now, and rarely if ever fail. Here are some links explaining some of the requirements.

    PLC® vs. Safety PLC – Fundamental and Significant Differences [rockwellautomation.com]
    FM Global Class 7605 Approval Standard for Programmable Logic Controller Based burner Management Systems [fmglobal.com]
    IEC 61508 Functional Safety [mtl-inst.com]

    This level of care is mandated by insurance companies and legislation, due to the history of boiler explosions early in the 20th century. Searching "Boiler Explosion", and "Functional Safety" will lead to many references on this subject.

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