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An anonymous reader writes The BBC and other outlets are reporting that a major quarantine center for patients who have been infected with the Ebola virus in Liberia has been looted and ransacked. Reports vary on the motive of the attack, but officials have confirmed that the Ebola patients are missing and that the quarantine center's medical supplies have been stolen. Officials say that the looters are highly likely to contract the virus themselves and worsen the epidemic further, as the WHO counts 1000+ lives claimed by the virus total."
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Ebola Quarantine Center In Liberia Looted

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  • by hooiberg (1789158) on Monday August 18, 2014 @05:22AM (#47693309)
    Maybe we can create group Award, now that Darwinism has become a team sport!
  • Re:Niggers. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mousse-man (632412) on Monday August 18, 2014 @05:37AM (#47693349) Homepage

    Wasn't there enough information posted and published everywhere in the mass media in Liberia to inform even the dumbest people not to do that at all? I mean, after 1000 people die in a quite horrid way, a bunch of RFSP (Really F****** Stupid People) storms an Ebola Quarantine Center, lets the infected patients flee, steals the medical supplies and probably believes they just fulfilled the will of their ancestors.

    Then, after these RFSP let the infected escape, possibly carrying the bodies oozing with Ebola infected fluids in their own arms home, put them on a bed, washing these infected fluids away, and then using the towels to wash and dry themselves, get infected in turn. And if they didn't get infected by just caring for their relative expiring from one of the most horrid diseases, they will get infected when they kiss the deceased or 'ritually' wash him, or when they cuddle up (or doing some more improper things) with the oozing cadaver full of filovirii looking for the next host to infect. And if that was not enough, they will 'celebrate' the death of their relative by eating some bush meat, containing yet another Ebola strain.

    Lather, rinse, repeat, this time multiplied by 500, because the whole clan of course has to conglomerate around the putrid cadaver of a usually quite controllable disease. And of course, these relatives, in the two weeks that the virus takes to manifest itself, return home into their jungle villages in the four corners of Liberia and adjoining countries.

    That's how you make an epidemic spread like wildfire.

    Now, if the authorities in African countries are smart, the next time such crap happens, don't use rifles. Use flame throwers. Disinfects looters, kills the sick in a safe way and prevents more spread. As brutal as it may sound, this will probably save many more lives than just letting these people who just proved that the ancestors of homo sapiens which still live on trees are quite much smarter 'live their culture'.

    And showing the burning looters screaming in agony (because they just got BBQed by desperate authorities trying to contain the outbreak) on national TV will make sure the next bunch of idiots reconsiders their idea of looting a health center trying to contain one of the deadliest viral diseases known to mankind.

  • by kruach aum (1934852) on Monday August 18, 2014 @05:44AM (#47693369)

    It's probably easier to let these people die of ebola than it is to change the mind of someone who stubbornly believes in things that are false. There have been many information campaigns about the causes and prevention of transmission of ebola, up to and including rap songs, and yet they can't help themselves.

  • by hooiberg (1789158) on Monday August 18, 2014 @05:56AM (#47693395)
    These are the same people that believe that having sex with a virgin cures aids, and as such rape babies... I wonder if it is a really bad thing if the entire country were to die of ebola.
  • Re:Motive? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @06:03AM (#47693405)

    Last I checked, there is a not insignificant number of people in the US who refuse childhood immunizations, and the very white, very old Vatican opposed condoms at the height of the HIV epidemic. You may argue the severity, but these are the same strain of stupidity to which all humans are susceptible.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @06:18AM (#47693433)

    I think it's necessary to understand what's going on Liberia. People there are uneducated, prone to superstition and there's a lot of ignorance about the Ebola outbreak over there, however people are acting rationally based on what they see. What they've seen is that when people go to one of these facilities, they tend to end up dead. If you're living there, ignorance of modern medicine and viruses and whatnot and you witness a loved one being taken to a hospital, it's understandable why people will not take it willingly.

    A lot of people think this is some "white-man's poison" that's infecting and killing folks. There's enough bad history with westerners fucking around with Africa that you can't really blame them for being predisposed to being suspicious at what doctor's are doing. Of course, that doesn't mean the situation is great for all concerned - it just isn't that surprising giving the environment.

  • Re:Motive? (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @06:23AM (#47693443)

    > I'm not sure if you have noticed but...

    What a twat. What is it with you cave men that makes you insist on lisping out trite, sarcastic, passive-agressive faggy little lines like that? Just say what you mean... no need to resort to faggotry.

  • Truly sad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by GeekWithAKnife (2717871) on Monday August 18, 2014 @06:32AM (#47693473)

    Unfortunately this is the sort of event that can make this virus' infections rates soar beyond control.

    Because of a small group of idiots the majority will suffer needlessly.

    I see some say "fuck 'em" and some have this attitude of not our problem - for lack of understanding that their problem can become our problem. If that's not a case for a reason to put more resources into education I don't know what is.

    It's everyone's problem when some person in Liberia, is now scared for his life and flees without knowing he is carrying the virus. In 48 hours he might be sitting next to you on a bus! -what are you going to say when people start bleeding their internal organs out of all orifices?

    You want to give out Darwin awards? start by considering you may get one yourself with such an attitude.
  • by kruach aum (1934852) on Monday August 18, 2014 @06:58AM (#47693537)

    You say they act rationally based on what they see, and then describe them engaging in post hoc ergo propter hoc logic (people going to facilities end up dead, therefore the facilities are killing them), and being prejudiced against white people and doctors. I am unsure if you are clear on what "rational" means. Hint: it's not acting based on what you 'feel' is right or true, because feelings are notoriously bad at ferreting out either.

  • Stupidity (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mean pun (717227) on Monday August 18, 2014 @07:08AM (#47693559)

    Do you really believe that a culture/tribe/village/group can develop such stupid rituals to deal with the dead and diseased and survive to this day? Do you really think that `primitive' people don't know anything about quarantaine or other measures against infectious diseases? Do you really think that a group of people that has just seen some of their own die in a horrible way will quietly slink off to meditate on their sins rather than seek (quite possibly rough) justice for this? But you're not one of the RFSP, right?

    It is quite possible that this attack was stupid, but clearly we're not getting all of the story here.

  • Re:Motive? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by K. S. Kyosuke (729550) on Monday August 18, 2014 @07:17AM (#47693587)

    No gay sex means the vast majority of the AIDS infections never happen.

    It's good for Africa that they never liked gays there, otherwise they would have an AIDS epidemic on their hands by now. Oh, wait...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @07:23AM (#47693605)

    I don't believe that story at all.

    Unfortunately, it is true, though maybe not as prevelent in West Africa than in other regions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misconceptions_about_HIV/AIDS [wikipedia.org]

    Flanagan, Jane (2001-11-11). "South African men rape babies as 'cure' for Aids" [telegraph.co.uk]. Telegraph (London). Retrieved 2009-03-25.

    Meel, B.L. (2003). "1. The myth of child rape as a cure for HIV/AIDS in Transkei: a case report" [nih.gov]. Med. Sci. Law 43 (1): 85–88.

    Groce, N.E.; Trasi, R. (2004). "Rape of individuals with disability: AIDS and the folk belief of virgin cleansing" [nih.gov]. Lancet 363 (9422): 1663–1664.

  • Re:Truly sad (Score:4, Insightful)

    by GeekWithAKnife (2717871) on Monday August 18, 2014 @07:37AM (#47693659)

    People cough, they sneeze, they perspire and touch things. If they carry a deadly virus then this is a deadly problem.

    Did you ever use the toilet at work? - ever had issues of a bad stomach doing the rounds? any idea how many people don't wash their hands after taking a piss? -people you shook hands with. I'd not bet my life on this scenario being impossible.

    The fact that this is LESS likely to happen in a "1st world country" does not help right now. I'm not trying to terrify you into wearing a face mask; I am telling you this can get out of hand if we do not do more to help get this under control.
    Look at the hate some morons choose to spew at this very moment, racists, bigots and foolhardy posts. These so called "1st world" people might just ignore what they stupidly think is an African problem.

    While it's a shame that many people simply do not care about the suffering of others; if you ignore this it may just end up killing people you do care about. Does that sink in or are they not the people you typically see when you go to work?
  • by TeethWhitener (1625259) on Monday August 18, 2014 @07:51AM (#47693705)

    You live in a country with a wildly corrupt government that repeatedly lies to you and regularly unburdens you of your basic human rights. Then one day, officials from this government force you and everyone you know at gunpoint to submit to a series of "tests." You notice that, all of a sudden, many of the most social and/or eldest (therefore vocal, therefore most likely to be community leaders/government dissenters) among you go missing and later mysteriously die. For good measure, a number of kids randomly disappear and die as well. The ones that survive tell horrible stories about the dismal conditions in which they were held, where they were injected with any number of things and only a few days later, became sick . The government (the same government that lies to you and considers you subhuman) tells you that the cultural practices that have been with your group for a thousand years are all of a sudden, just now, for reasons they don't have time to explain, causing you to get sick and die, and it just happens to selectively be wiping out the kids and the community leaders.

    If it were the US doing this, I conjecture that at the very least, this comment thread would have a radically different tone. Less "these guys are idiots," and more "these guys are heroes." What we're witnessing in Liberia is a tragic consequence of a corrupt power structure attempting, maybe for the first time, to legitimately help people that it has previously subjugated. The whole thing smacks of people acting in their and their community's best interests based on many many previous data points telling them government=bad, therefore avoid government. Unfortunately, it takes time to build a relationship of trust between a government and its citizens, and in the face of the calamity that Liberia is confronting, neither the government nor its citizens have any time to spare.

  • Re:Niggers. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ruir (2709173) on Monday August 18, 2014 @08:04AM (#47693785) Homepage
    http://www.refworld.org/docid/... [refworld.org] Considering often they have lots of wives...however I can swear it is not only the wives that drink it.
  • by mysidia (191772) on Monday August 18, 2014 @08:10AM (#47693819)

    They are forming a reasonable (but false) hypothesis which they cannot prove, given that they do not understand health or disease, and they do not believe the explanation people give them, because they lack the obedience training that westerners have.

  • by nedlohs (1335013) on Monday August 18, 2014 @09:00AM (#47694109)

    "post hoc ergo propter hoc" is rational.

    "Everyone who has eaten those berries has died frothing at the mouth a few hours afterwards, thus we should probably not eat those berries" is rational. It might not actually be true, but it's a good first step. When people keep dieing in the same way after everyone has stopped eating said berries then you can move to a different hypothesis - but when that's all the information you have it would be irrational to keep eating the berries.

    In this case they already have other information - well I'm assuming the health care workers and government and so on are telling them something other than "oh yes, these are death camps where we torture and kill everyone who comes in the door".

  • by ihtoit (3393327) on Monday August 18, 2014 @09:05AM (#47694159)

    I say we dust off and nuke the entire site from orbit.

    It's the only way to be sure.

  • Re:Truly sad (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @09:15AM (#47694241)

    Ebola turning into a deadly mass plague is a real possibility

    Before lecturing about risks of a plague you should read up on it (Ebola) more. For example, you mention a face mask. Ebola is not airborne. The fact that it is spread through physical contact is exactly what makes it (relatively) easy to contain in contrast with, say, influenza.

    That actually brings me to the next point - the flu is a much more deadly disease and kills lots more people. But here you are worrying about an Ebola plague.

    Do that thing that Slashdot blowhards rarely do: read up a little on something before you start stridently opining about it.

  • Not fully correct (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @09:23AM (#47694299)
    "and only a few days later, became sick" usually by the time the people are given in the hand of governmental instiuttion theyalready have been sick. Furhtermore a lot of people died at home and at some village a sizable percentage died (50 out of 500 persons was in article recently). So it is not as if people were taken and became sick afterward.
  • Re:Truly sad (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Carewolf (581105) on Monday August 18, 2014 @09:59AM (#47694627) Homepage

    Did you ever use the toilet at work? - ever had issues of a bad stomach doing the rounds? any idea how many people don't wash their hands after taking a piss? -people you shook hands with. I'd not bet my life on this scenario being impossible.

    Ebola is not as infectious as the flu. Absolute none of those scenarios would be able to transmit the disease. So yes, you are safe.

  • Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @10:37AM (#47694999)

    It used to be something of a tradition in the west for doctors not to wash their hands. After all, all disease was based in an imbalance of the "humours" of the body.

    Then this guy appeared. Zemmel? Something like that. He realized that the doctors who worked for him at his two hospitals were helping with childbirths while also doing a bit of corpse work on the side. He noticed that by having his doctors wash their hands after handling dead bodies, the amount of deaths to a particular disease dropped considerable.

    Of course nobody believed him, because HUMOURS.

    Then he died and another doctor took over. He scrapped the handwashing regime and deaths from disease immediately spiked back up to SIX TIMES what it had been when Zemmel (or whatever his name was) was the chief doctor. And nobody cared: Because obviously humours were the true cause.

  • Re:Motive? (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @10:49AM (#47695121)

    Sure, but when Jenny doesn't get Dakota vaccinated, it affects only them and they don't start looting and setting fire to stuff. We whites ain't perfect, but we ain't niggers.

  • by ilparatzo (3627897) on Monday August 18, 2014 @10:54AM (#47695161)
    I think that we're all taking this a bit too far down the rabbit hole and forgetting the simple answer ...

    "They have stuff over there that I could sell for money. I don't have money. I'm not a doctor, I don't know what is going on in those tents and I'm not allowed in. How about I just go and take all that stuff and sell it? If I get sick, that's okay, I've been sick before."

    Unless you're trying to write a book and need to up that word count, what more philosophical understanding does it take then that? If you're not careful, scientific over-analysis can just take you farther from the simple truth of a situation or at a minimum overly complicate it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2014 @11:38AM (#47695599)

    The problem is not one of ignorance - everyone goes through the school system, no exceptions. The problem is one of stupidity; even those locals with advanced degrees still believe in muti that makes one bulletproof, or the virgin cure for HIV. The locals here are just plain stupid and no amount of education over the past two decades has managed to shake them of their beliefs in bulletproof vaseline and/or virgin cures and/or anything else that is stupid.

    I also know of people with advanced degrees who still believe that some guy 2000 years ago, was born from a virgin, walked on water, changed water to wine. Stupidity must be more widespread than you think.

  • by flyingsquid (813711) on Monday August 18, 2014 @02:50PM (#47697395)

    It's probably easier to let these people die of ebola than it is to change the mind of someone who stubbornly believes in things that are false. There have been many information campaigns about the causes and prevention of transmission of ebola, up to and including rap songs, and yet they can't help themselves.

    Yeah, they're idiots. I can think of another country where over twenty thousand people a year- far more than the Ebola epidemic- are killed because the ignorant beliefs of the society and lack of education put everyone in danger. People repeatedly try to educate them and show how with a few precautions, they could dramatically reduce the death rate from the epidemic. But no matter how many times you try to show those Americans the statistics on Canada, Australia, and the UK, no matter how many children are gunned down and slaughtered in school shootings, they stubbornly believe that their savage practice of letting everyone walk around with semiautomatic handguns and assault rifles actually makes them safer! But what are you going to do, they cling to their ignorant ideas and stubbornly believe in things that are false. They can't help themselves; it's probably easier to let these people accidentally shoot themselves than it is to change their minds...

  • Re:Stupidity (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kojiro Ganryu Sasaki (895364) on Monday August 18, 2014 @04:23PM (#47698147)

    Yes. That's what I was getting at in my original post. The fact that despite the evidence that exists, they ignore it because it contradicts their beliefs.

    It's really quite fascinating.

    (i'm the anon you're replying to)

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