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## Happy Pi Day218

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mikejuk writes to let us know that today is Pi Day — 3/14 in American date notation. He writes, "This year, it feels as though we aren't celebrating alone. For the first time, it looks as if momentum has built up to the point where people have heard about Pi Day. There are even attempts to sell you Pi-related items as if it was a real holiday. But there is always some one to spoil the party so what ever you do to celebrate don't miss Vi Hart's Anti-Pi Rant video." Thus begins the yearly debate over Pi Day vs. Tau Day (June 28). Phil Plait has a post defending Pi Day's honor, and MIT isn't holding back their Pi Day celebrations.
Large-scale celebration of Pi Day began in 1988, mostly through the efforts of physicists Larry Shaw and Ron Hipschmann at the San Francisco Exploratorium. The Exploratorium still runs Pi Day events 26 years later, including Pi-themed processions and pie for dessert. In 2009, Pi Day became semi-official through a vote by the House of Representatives. (They did a better job with Pi than did Indiana, who almost legislated it to be 3.2.)

The best way to celebrate Pi Day is to get together with some friends and talk math over a pie. You could even go for a pizza pie, since a pizza with radius 'z' and height 'a' has volume = pi * z * z * a. If you'd care for a game, head over to the Pi Day Challenge, which features a series of pi-related logic puzzles. Or just spend the day learning about pi.

Cool pi facts: Pi is currently known to about 10 billion decimal places. You can calculate pi using the Fibonacci sequence. A few years ago, Steven Rochen mapped the digits of pi to musical notes and turned it into a violin solo (video). Others have made music from pi as well. Mankind didn't know the first hundred digits of pi until the year 1701. How many digits of pi can you recite? The record for memorization currently stands at 67890 digits. The record for reciting pi while juggling three balls is just under 10,000.
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## Happy Pi Day

• #### I cant buy Pi day greeting cards..... (Score:2)

SO therefore it is not a real holiday...

Damn it Hallmark, we demand Pi day greeting cards!

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Surely there are cards out there that say "Thinking of you" that show a big slice of pie on the front.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I want 3.14 pieces of it.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I want 3.14 pieces of it.

If you measure in radians, that is exactly half.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Even so, it's more of a holiday than Tau day. You can't eat a tau, but you can certainly eat pi(e)!

• #### Tauism (Score:3)

The tau that can be eaten is not the true Tau [wikiquote.org].
• #### Re: (Score:2)

The tau that are eaten become the true Tau [wikia.com].

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I wonder how many serious papers actually use tau instead of pi...

• #### Re: (Score:2)

You can't eat a tau,

There are Tyranids that would disagree with that statement.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

And the area of a unit circle is pi, not tau.

• #### Re:I cant buy Pi day greeting cards..... (Score:4)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:38AM (#46483295)
This is my one-year anniversary. The beauty if marrying an engineer is she didn't bat an eye when I suggested getting married 3/14 at 1:59 PM.
• #### How about defining an epoch from pi day? (Score:3)

I always thought that the epoch on a computer should be measured from something like March 14, 1592 @ 6:53:59am (3.14159265359)

Or January 6, 1803 @ 3:9:8am (golden ratio)
Or Feb 7, 1828 @ 1:8:28am (e)
etc

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Month-Day-Year format is irrational. Year-Month-Day, or Day-Month-Year is what you want, with Year-Month-Day being preferred.
• #### WHOOOSH! (Score:2)

Month-Day-Year format is irrational.

Explain to me any part of our date or time system that is actually rational. Months are inconsistent lengths, the number of seconds in a minute or minutes in an hour or hours in a day or days in a week is an arbitrary divisor, the SI unit of time (second) is arbitrary, the year is based on the birth of a mythical religious figurehead, etc ad nauseum. Because we insist on keeping time based on rotations of our planet and orbits of the sun we jump through all sorts of contortions to keep the calendar in syn

• #### Re: (Score:2)

So we should use a format that makes no sense because the rest of the system makes no sense? In every other taxonomy we progress from largest group to the smallest, or from the smallest to the largest. Only in dates do people start in the middle.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Not really. It would be common to say on march 3rd 1980 something happened. Its more condensed then saying on the 3rd of march, 1980 something happened.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

It doesn't matter how you SAY it. What matters is how you WRITE it, and unless you write it in an unambiguous format, you are not communicating fully or properly.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

No offense, but I think you are missing the significance of Epoch time in thinking this. Even if you stated something like "math is related to computing" the number systems are different. Base 10 vs. Base 2 and all that.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Only if you ignore all the computers and calculators from befor electronics. Yes, i mean the people that used to fill calculation rooms and compute complexed math problems for sales drones, business processes, and loan officers.

Its not like the term computer was born in the 70s.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Epoch has nothing to do with any of those things.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Exactly which is why the GP's point is just as valid as any in base 10 or base 2. Its an arbitrary point of reference.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I believe you are lost. Try reading the whole comment again and ponder. It's really not that complex.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Pi day greeting cards [zazzle.com]. No, not from Hallmark, but you can still buy them.

• #### Pi + Einstein + Life, The Universe, and Everything (Score:5, Interesting)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:14AM (#46482993)

Not only is today Pi day, but it is Albert Einstein's birthday also (he would've been 135 today). Also, 3 * 14 = 42 so today is also the answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything!

• #### Rest of World (Score:5, Funny)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:19AM (#46483069)
In the rest of the world, Pi Day is approximately 22/7.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

I was going to guess it's the third day of whatever month comes after Smarch.

• #### Re:Rest of World (Score:4, Insightful)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:47AM (#46483443)

Pretentious! Just as the Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D... [wikipedia.org]

If you use the notation dd-mm, you'd get a mere 15 (22-7).

• #### Re: (Score:2)

To very few of us it's "Happy 4 * atan(1) Day!"
• #### Re: (Score:2)

It's merely American Pi Day to the rest of the English-speaking world. The real Pi day isn't until the 31st of April.

• #### bought a piece of pie this morning (Score:3, Funny)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:19AM (#46483079) Homepage Journal

tasted like chalk dust. how'd math professors get a holiday, anyway?

• #### 3/14/15 (Score:5, Interesting)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:28AM (#46483183)
...will make a even better PI day next year...
• #### Re: (Score:2)

Not for the countries that don't use that date format. I wonder if people celebrated pi day back in 3/14/1592. :P

• #### Re: (Score:2)

PI isn't wrong. They just think there's a better way to calculate the dimensions of circle. You can still use PI and it will still be correct.

• #### PI! (Score:5, Informative)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @11:38AM (#46483311)

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• #### Re: (Score:2)

This is incomplete.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

At least you know how to copy and paste
• #### Re: (Score:2)

If you need more than about 32 digits for your calculations, you grossly misunderstand something.

Second, that's not a factorial.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

If you need more than about 32 digits for your calculations, you grossly misunderstand something.

Actually, there is a practical limiting factor to the number of digits of Pi you actually need for calculations. 39 digits will get you the circumference of the observable universe within 1 hydrogen atom difference [numberphile.com]. That is, the approximation of the circumference of the observable universe when compared versus using more digits of pi, the difference is smaller than the size of a hydrogen atom. (The approximation

• #### Re:PI! (Score:4, Insightful)

<mojo@NOspAM.world3.net> on Friday March 14, 2014 @01:38PM (#46484755) Homepage

I think you will find that pi! is actually ~7.18808272898.

TL; DR.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

This is impressive. Unfortunately, you're off by a factor 2.
• #### Radians are wrong (Score:2)

If you want to use pi, then you should be using the angle subtended by the length of the diameter, not the radius, as the basis of your angle measurements. Be consistent.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

If you want to use pi, then you should be using the angle subtended by the length of the diameter, not the radius, as the basis of your angle measurements. Be consistent.

The reason why radians are what they are is because then the length of the arc (of a unit circle) that subtends the angle R is exactly R. That's really convenient. (You could use diameter, but in real work you've got the radius far more often than the diameter.)

And any other ratio (especially tau!) doesn't satisfy the Eulerian identity, so can't be nearly so beautiful.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

The reason why radians are what they are is because then the length of the arc (of a unit circle) that subtends the angle R is exactly R.

Yes, and how many radians are there in a circle? Tau.

And any other ratio (especially tau!) doesn't satisfy the Eulerian identity, so can't be nearly so beautiful.

e^i*tau=1 [youtube.com] seems a lot more beautiful than e^i*pi=-1 to me. It gets rid of that ugly minus one.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

e^i*tau=1 [youtube.com] seems a lot more beautiful than e^i*pi=-1 to me. It gets rid of that ugly minus one.

e^{\pi i} + 1 = 0 includes all "fundamental" numbers without doing anything redundant like 1+0, so arguably it is more beautiful.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Pi isn't fundamental. It is Tau/2.
• #### ISO 8601 (Score:2)

I will take this opportunity to complain about the American way to write dates, which is pretty stupid, as it's neither big-endian or little-endian and leads to massive confusions for any day numbered 12 or less.

ISO 8601 makes perfect sense as dates are represented in a big-endian format, like all other human-readable numbers (One thousand two hundred and thirty four is 1234, not 4321).

I perfectly understand those who prefer little-endian dates (I used to until I learned of ISO 8601), but have a strong dist

• #### Re: (Score:2)

I also hate when people use slashes or dots to write dates.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

That's far less horrible, though. At least the meaning isn't hard to decipher.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Yes, this and putting the dollar/currency sign before the number. Some people, including the people in Quebec put the dollar sign after the number. Which makes a lot more sense, if you think of the $(or other currency) as the units of measurement. Plus, it's the way we say it when read. We don't say "I have dollars 2". We say "I have 2 dollars" so it should be written 2$.
• #### Re: (Score:2)

That one really bugs me too. Currency is a unit, units are to be placed after the least significant digit.

• #### Re: (Score:3)

No no, it makes sense to base pi day on American date notation. After all, pi also is irrational!
• #### Re: (Score:2)

I prefer ISO 8601 format because it's easy to sort and I use it all the time. On my bills it's spelled out like you would say it March 14th, 2014 at the top and the line items are in ISO 8601 format. My power bill is the one exception, but it's confusing all around not just the date format. We are moving away from the MMDDYYYY format that everyone outside the US appears to hate, at least in some areas.

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Here's a quick comparison:

Fields in the correct position: European: 1; American: 0
Fields in the correct order: European: 0; American: 2

By that measure the American style gets two things correct; twice as many as the European.

In addition, when the year is omitted (very common), the results are even more striking:

Fields correctly ordered and placed: European: none; American: all.

I don't think anyone has anything to brag about here, except perhaps the Chinese and Japanese. :)

• #### Better in hexadecimal (Score:2)

You can calculate any arbitrary digit of pi in hexadecimal without calculating the preceding digits [hmc.edu].
• #### Steak and BJ day (Score:4, Informative)

on Friday March 14, 2014 @01:05PM (#46484327)

It also happens to be Steak and BJ day...
http://www.officialsteakandblo... [officialst...jobday.com]

• #### Pi Still Correct (Score:2)

As much as I've enjoyed Vi Hart's videos in the past, the whole tau movement always struck me as a bit of a hipster attempt to convert a system that works fine as it is.
Yes, tau makes some of the more basic equations simpler, but it also makes some of the more complex equations messier when compared to pi.
http://www.thepimanifesto.com/ [thepimanifesto.com]

• #### Re: (Score:2)

Yes, tau makes some of the more basic equations simpler, but it also makes some of the more complex equations messier when compared to pi.
http://www.thepimanifesto.com/ [thepimanifesto.com]

Often though, the "simpler" equation with the pi in it is masking the more illustrative tau/2 that arises from the structure of the relationship. The reason that the area of a circle is (1/2)(tau)(r^2) due to the same type of integration that gives us (1/2)(m)(v^2) for kinetic energy or (1/2)(k)(x^2) for energy of a spring for example.

The fact that 2pi appears so very often in math and physics is a strong indication that it is a more "fundamental" quantity.

If anything helps a larger fraction of the student

• #### Ridiculous (Score:2)

3/14 is Steak and Blowjob day.
• #### pi is first letter in greek periphereia (Score:2)

Means a circular line. Root of English word periphery. Mathematicians used the word peripheria, then abbreviated its first letter to describe the length of a circle.
• #### Pi day is next year (Score:2)

Pi day should be next year: 3/14/15 at 9:26:53.58 ...
• #### SXSW (Score:2)

No mention of the smoke trails left in the sky by 5 planes writing out the digits of pi at SXSW yesterday? Given, they were a day early, but it was still freaking amazing!

• #### pizza and pi (Score:2)

If you eat pie today, you will increase your circumference by 2*pi*dr.

And if the volume of a pizza of radius z and thickness a is pi*z*z*a, and its density is p, and the Earth's mass times the gravitational constant is u and its distance from the center is l, the force pulling on that pizza is pi*z*z*a*p*u / l*l.

• #### Just over 364 days to prepare for the big one! (Score:3)

<wwoodhull@gmail.com> on Friday March 14, 2014 @08:52PM (#46488935) Homepage Journal

Next year's Pi Day will make all other Pi Days any of us will experience pale in comparison. For it will be

3-14-15!!?!

Not only that, but it will contain TWO Pi minutes! The first at 9:26 in the morning, and the second at 9:26 in the evening.

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So it is not yet too late to begin preparing for the momentous events. But do not delay! These precious minutes will never come around again!

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