Become a fan of Slashdot on Facebook

typodupeerror

## Why Transitivity Violations Can Be Rational169

ananyo writes "Organisms, including humans, are often assumed to be hard-wired by evolution to try to make optimal decisions, to the best of their knowledge. Ranking choices consistently — for example, in selecting food sources — would seem to be one aspect of such rationality. If A is preferred over B, and B over C, then surely A should be selected when the options are just A and C? This seemingly logical ordering of preferences is called transitivity. Furthermore, if A is preferred when both B and C are available, then A should 'rationally' remain the first choice when only A and B are at hand ... But sometimes animals do not display such logic. For example, honeybees and gray jays have been seen to violate the Independence of Irrational Alternatives, and so have hummingbirds ... Researchers have now used a theoretical model to show that, in fact, violations of transitivity can sometimes be the best choice (original paper) for the given situation, and therefore rational. The key is that the various choices might appear or disappear in the future. Then the decision becomes more complicated than a simple, fixed ranking of preferences. So while these choices look irrational, they aren't necessarily."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

## Why Transitivity Violations Can Be Rational

• #### Re:Most likely exists to prevent over-grazing.. (Score:5, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:23AM (#45965305) Homepage

It might also have to do with competition. If there's little competition for my preferred food source, I will eat it last, knowing it will last longer. My wife hates dark chocolate, but I prefer it, so if there's a bag of chocolate bars and dark chocolate, I'll dig into the milk chocolate first, knowing that my wife will actively consume those as well, then when they're gone, I still have the dark chocolate to enjoy afterwards, while she's without.

• #### Based on what? (Score:4, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:25AM (#45965323) Homepage

Organisms, including humans, are often assumed to be hard-wired by evolution to try to make optimal decisions, to the best of their knowledge.

What about humans have we seen to suggest humans are rational or are hard-wired make 'optimal' choices?

For biologists (or economists) to make this assumption has always struck me as terribly flawed, because in the real world, we see quite the opposite.

In the case of humans, cultural biases and any number of things skew our decision making to be less than perfect. And any theoretical model which assumes otherwise is pretty much the equivalent of assuming a perfectly spherical cow.

• #### Re:Ranking choices consistently (Score:4, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:27AM (#45965349)

In fact it is the opposite - scientists previously didn't understand the criteria, and now they think that they do. It is progress in our understanding of the natural world.

• #### Re:Most likely exists to prevent over-grazing.. (Score:5, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:35AM (#45965447) Homepage

If your wife reads Slashdot this little game could end quite badly... never get between a woman and her chocolate!

• #### Re:Most likely exists to prevent over-grazing.. (Score:5, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @10:51AM (#45965629) Homepage

One of my pet peeves with discussions on evolution is the assumption, in general, that any given trait or behavior evolved for a particular reason, or that any one concept such as "logical rationality" can explain the whole evolution of a single such trait. In fact this sounds more like intelligent design than evolution. It's an interesting exercise to track a trait through evolution, but there's a fine line between that and presupposing that every behavior must occur due to some underlying logic.

We're talking about behavior that evolved due to an absurd amount of chaos; how was it not obvious that a "decision becomes more complicated than a simple, fixed ranking of preferences"? And who gets to decide what's "rational"... from a basic evolutionary perspective, anything that has evolved to this point and is still alive and kicking is doing well; it's almost impossible to call any such evolution "irrational", so finding ways to prove it so is just silly. I mean, there's plenty of evolution that seems odd... flightless birds, blind species with eyes, animals that eat their young and their mates... but these species all survive and procreate and carry on from one generation to the next. Why does everything have to be nice and tidy... what's the obsession with "rational"? In fact, the behavior described in the article sounds more rational than the opposite... consider Pandas, who exist almost entirely on one food (bamboo)... these animals are very nearly extinct due to this behavior (some people assert that they would be if it weren't for human efforts to save them). Is that rational from an evolutionary perspective?

I'm sure I sound annoyed, but some times we try to oversimplify things way too much. happy_place is correct; competition could matter, and individual preference clearly exists all over the place... why does there have to be a rationalization? Is it an evolutionary benefit that happy_place likes dark chocolate while their wife hates it? More likely it's just a quirk of evolution, not a grand result of evolution having evolved precisely so that our species won't starve when cocoa is the last remaining food on the planet.

Let me put it this way... given whole of evolution, I would wager that for any categorization of traits that are well defined (such as "rational"), there exists at least one example that is both in and out of that category. SOMETHING has evolved irrationally, oddly, stupidly, and without purpose, due only to quirks of evolution that didn't really get in the way of a species survival, but didn't necessarily help it along either.

• #### Totally flawed model (Score:5, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @11:01AM (#45965749) Homepage

If you're trying to find a balanced diet using many ingredients and take one of those away, the rest of the diet might change totally. For example, let's assume the removed ingredient was a very good source of protein. Now you're scrambling to replace it with other protein sources, introducing foods you didn't need before. And now you're high on carbs, so your high-carb food goes out and is replaced by something else, so now you lack vitamin D so we add another new food and so on. It's a set ordering not a factor ordering because if you've eaten beef all week you'd rather eat pork, even if you prefer beef.

• #### Re:Most likely exists to prevent over-grazing.. (Score:4, Insightful)

<gterichNO@SPAMaol.com> on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @11:03AM (#45965763) Journal

You obviously know nothing about women.

My wife loves chocolate as well, but hates to eat it because she likes being skinny more than she likes eating chocolate (and if you ask any woman, the two are mutually exclusive). So, if I have chocolate in the house, I must compete with her and ensure that I eat most of it, otherwise she gets upset.

• #### Re:Most likely exists to prevent over-grazing.. (Score:4, Insightful)

on Wednesday January 15, 2014 @11:53AM (#45966393)
You are the most knee-jerk racist hiding in a "liberal" sheep's coat that I've ever read comment here.

Nothing in progression can rest on its original plan. We may as well think of rocking a grown man in the cradle of an infant. -- Edmund Burke

Working...