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India Frees Itself of Polio 309

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from the wiped-out dept.
An anonymous reader writes "It's been three years since the last recorded polio case in India and health officials hope to officially certify India polio free in the next few weeks. 'Hamid Jafari, director of the WHO's polio-eradication campaign, says the agency's ambitious quest to stop all polio transmission by the end of 2014 is now within reach. If that is achieved, and no new cases crop up for three years, polio—like smallpox—will be officially banished from the planet. "India was one of the most important sources" from where the virus spread to other countries, said Dr. Jafari.'"
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India Frees Itself of Polio

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  • Excellent! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jones_supa (887896) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:05AM (#45936997)
    These are fantastic news!
    • by Bite The Pillow (3087109) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:09AM (#45937009)

      All it took was a single country to do the needful.

    • Not so fast ! (Score:4, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 13, 2014 @04:14AM (#45937279)

      Next door to India, Polio is making a come back.

      Same thing also happening in Nigeria, as well as in Mali.

      The common thread in the three locations that is helping Polio making a revival is Islam.

      Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

      In Pakistan, they actually KILL health workers trying to eradicate Polio. Same thing happen in Nigeria, where Boko Haram has threaten (and sometimes kill) people trying to stop the spread of Polio.

      • If you think Islam = Al Quaeda (sp?) then that is true. Al Q's rejection of the West goes that far.

          • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:5, Interesting)

            by ShanghaiBill (739463) on Monday January 13, 2014 @11:03AM (#45939231)

            Nothing to do with Al Quaeda

            AQ is a big part of it, and for GOOD REASON. The United States used health workers, including people administering polio vaccine, to collect intelligence against AQ and the Taliban. Some AQ people were killed as a result. The US has openly admitted doing this. They did it in Abbottadad, to try to local Osama bin Laden (the film "Zero Dark Thirty" showed health workers collecting intelligence). If you don't want health workers targeted in a war, then don't use them to target others.

      • by noh8rz10 (2716597)

        Thank you! You are a master communicator. I think your arguments come across especially rationally with the use of bold, italics and CAPS. All signs of truth and reasoned positions. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:4, Informative)

        by rvw (755107) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:10AM (#45937451)

        Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

        The former two catholic popes did similar stuff with condoms and HIV in Africa and South America. I hope this one has more common sense.

        • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Chrisq (894406) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:31AM (#45937515)

          Yes, Islam is helping to make Polio a permanent fixture to the human race.

          The former two catholic popes did similar stuff with condoms and HIV in Africa and South America. I hope this one has more common sense.

          Funny, I can't remember the last pope murdering health workers. Even if he did - does that make it right for Muslims to do it too?

        • I suspect you'll hope in vain.

          The Americans are responsible for the attacks on doctors

          Their fake vaccine programme that preceded their extra judicial murder of Osama Bin Laden is what has caused the distrust.

          You cannot place all the blame on the brown people, the united states has become an international bully preying on those with resources it desires, that's the real problem but don't expect to hear much about that.

          • by rvw (755107)

            The Americans are responsible for the attacks on doctors

            Their fake vaccine programme that preceded their extra judicial murder of Osama Bin Laden is what has caused the distrust.

            These murders have been going on long before Bin Laden was killed. Islamic fundamentalists kill not so much doctors, but want to destroy Western institutions in their country. Western medicine, schools for girls, tv stations that air western tv series, etc.

        • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:4, Interesting)

          by Jason Levine (196982) on Monday January 13, 2014 @10:18AM (#45938821)

          Don't think that this only takes place in Africa and South America. My wife used to work for a private all-girls Catholic junior high school in New York. One year, she was teaching health and needed to cover sex education. They brought in someone else to teach it (which, honestly, my wife welcomed since teaching sex ed in a private Catholic school is kind of like grabbing a dangling power line and hoping it isn't live). This person proceeded to tell the girls a bunch of lies like all condoms have tiny holes in them that let sperm and viruses through.

          My wife complained to the principal. Telling the girls not to have sex before marriage because God says so would be one thing. It is a religious school, after all. But spreading blatant lies like this is just wrong. The principal was shocked (or acted so) and promised to look into it. We don't know if this speaker was ever brought back because soon after this we had our second child and my wife quit her job to stay at home with him.

          Still, the fact that there's someone who sells their services going from school to school spreading lies to scare kids into not having sex is frustrating. All this will do is cause kids to have unprotected sex which will lead to teen pregnancy and STDs. Even if they find out the truth, it means they'll be less likely to trust what an adult tells them and might not listen to another piece of advice that could have been life-saving.

      • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:5, Informative)

        by shutdown -p now (807394) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:24AM (#45937489) Journal

        From TFA:

        "Religious leaders were persuaded to join the effort. "The calls that went out to the Muslim faithful every Friday contained reminders to take children to the immunization booths," said Mr. Kapur of Rotary International. "These were the people initially most skeptical of the vaccines but, once convinced, they became our biggest agents of change."

        So it's not Islam in general that's anti-polio. Indeed, you don't get those craziness in any Muslim culture with well-educated populace.

        The people who are killing health workers administering vaccines in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria are not just Muslims. They are Salafi, an extremely fundamentalist Muslim sect that espouses strict Koranic literalism and advocates for a return to the practices of the "original Islam" (which, basically, translates to society and culture frozen as it was in the times of Muhammad). Taliban, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda, Caucasus Emirate etc - these are all Salafi.

        • by Chrisq (894406)

          . Indeed, you don't get those craziness in any Muslim culture with well-educated populace

          No they just fly planes into buildings [time.com]

          • "Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

            • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

              by Chrisq (894406)

              "Well-educated" implies, among other things, the ability to rationally think about one's own religion.

              A strange definition, but if you go with it "Well educated Muslim" is an oxymoron. Also you would have to be clear that you count people with university degrees, doctors, engineers as "not well educated" when you say that Muslims carry out terrorist attacks because they are not well educated. Otherwise people might get the impression that the solution would be improving their level of education.

              I would suggest that for the purposes of communication yo just say the same as i do; Islam suppresses any thought

              • by Altrag (195300)

                if you go with it "Well educated Muslim" is an oxymoron

                Not really. They could have thought rationally about their religion and decided that their faith was well-based. "Well educated" means you've been given the tools (and presumably have the intelligence) to make choices for yourself -- it does not put any requirements on the actual choice you end up making.

                Everyone (including atheists) like to assume that their group has made the right choice and that anyone with enough brains would do the same, when in fact there is no "right" choice. At least not until o

      • Re:Not so fast ! (Score:4, Interesting)

        by dbIII (701233) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:45AM (#45937559)
        One of the reasons for that was some IDIOT in the CIA apparently using a polio vaccination program as a cover for a covert operation in Pakistan. There's some lines that should not be crossed. Otherwise it makes us little better than the people that turn kids into walking bombs.
      • The common thread in the three locations that is helping Polio making a revival is Islam.

        Right. That's the only thing these three countries have in common. That explains why all those other muslim majority countries are also seeing polio rates increase. Oh wait...

      • And if one airline passenger from one of these countries happens to arrive in the US as a carrier, you're not going to want to let your children play with others this summer. Anti-vax cultists are steadily chipping away at our herd immunity.
    • by UPi (137083)

      I find humanity's ability to eradicate previously deadly and epidemic diseases to be something to wonder at. Personally I rate this little wonder of the world higher than the Moon landing.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases [wikipedia.org]

      • by the gnat (153162)

        I find humanity's ability to eradicate previously deadly and epidemic diseases to be something to wonder at. Personally I rate this little wonder of the world higher than the Moon landing.

        Seconded! The elimination of smallpox is probably the single greatest triumph of modern medicine; in the 20th century alone, it saved more lives than were lost in every war put together. And contrary to the claims of the racist naysayers who think we should have left epidemics alone so they could control third-world popu

    • by rmstar (114746)

      These are fantastic news!

      Indeed. And it wasn't the free market that did it. Go figure.

  • by Swampash (1131503) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:13AM (#45937039)

    Jenny McCarthy wouldn't lie to me!

    • they gave her brain damage and swollen breasts.

    • Jenny McCarthy says vaccines put dangerous toxins in your body. Obviously, you don't want "dangerous toxins" even if it would protect you from horrible diseases. Now, if you'll excuse her, she needs to go get an injection of botox to prevent some wrinkles.

  • it'll be back (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bloodhawk (813939) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:15AM (#45937049)
    Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.
    • Re:it'll be back (Score:5, Interesting)

      by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:31AM (#45937107) Journal

      Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.

      I wouldn't call this 'good' news; but polio is sufficiently unpleasant to send your basic chickenshit first world antivaxxer running screaming to the nearest vaccination location (for most childhood diseases for which vaccines are available, you aren't helping your odds by playing at anti-vax; the serious disease effects are still somewhat more common than the vaccine side effects; but polio is a genuinely nasty customer).

      Thankfully it has no animal vectors (of any note in the wild, I'm sure you can buy a mouse model or something that is susceptible in the lab) so it mostly hangs out in areas so remote or underdeveloped that sheer logistical difficulty keeps vaccination efforts sporadic.

      The one nasty anti-vax angle with polio is, I'm ashamed to say, pretty much our fault: The CIA came up with a clever ruse to do some DNA gathering [theguardian.com] under the guise of a vaccination program (one for hepatitis B), and the subsequent revelation of this fact has not done much to quell the 'zOMG vaccines are a western and/or zionist conspiracy against muslims!!!' rumor mongering present in certain areas.

      • Re:it'll be back (Score:5, Interesting)

        by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:59AM (#45937201)

        The old terrors of disease have been eradicated in developed countries for so long that even the cultural memory is fading. People do not fear a disease they know absolutely nothing of.

        Just ask people what the symptoms of cholora are. Most of them probably don't know, and that's still endemic in parts of the world.

        • by noh8rz10 (2716597)

          i think it's like crazy diarrhea. doh!

        • Re:it'll be back (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jason Levine (196982) on Monday January 13, 2014 @10:29AM (#45938945)

          This is definitely the biggest problem with vaccines. Their very success is their biggest weakness. As people don't personally remember diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc, they mentally minimize the severity of it. Whooping cough? Sounds like you just have a bad cough for a week or two and then you're fine, right? Then they hear FUD about vaccines that leads to them mentally overestimating the risk of the vaccines. Before you know it you have a person who is thinking of injecting their child with this horrible mix of highly dangerous chemicals just to prevent their child from maybe coughing for a few days. They make the perfectly rational (in their mind, given their flawed assumptions) decision to forego vaccinations.

          Sadly, the people who suffer are children like Dana Elizabeth McCaffery [danamccaffery.com] who die because they were too young to get the vaccine or people who have valid medical reasons for not getting the vaccine (immune system issues, allergies, etc). These people rely on the rest of us keeping herd immunity up. As the anti-vax movement grows, herd immunity breaks down and more people will die. The good news is that, as more people die, the anti-vax movement should be self-limiting. Who's going to seriously listen to Jenny McCarthy railing about vaccines if a hundred thousand people come down with measles? The bad news is that many, many people will get sick and either die or suffer permanent injury from vaccine-preventable diseases before this happens.

      • Re:it'll be back (Score:5, Insightful)

        by bill_mcgonigle (4333) * on Monday January 13, 2014 @04:03AM (#45937215) Homepage Journal

        The CIA came up with a clever ruse

        The CIA endangers everybody on the planet with their little game(s) - 'clever' could only be applied superficially.

        • Re:it'll be back (Score:5, Insightful)

          by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:04AM (#45937429) Journal
          I hoped that the context of my being ashamed to mention it made it clear how much I didn't approve of putting infectious disease control in the line of fire.

          I'd say, though, that you might be more accurate to say that it's a myopically clever plan, rather than a superficially clever one. Within the narrow, barely relevant, context of 'so, we need a DNA sample from a well guarded private compound in a country where most of the locals hate our guts and going through the official channels would mean somebody tipping off our suspect within hours, any ideas?' A fake vaccination program is among the better available answers.

          In the broader context of the fact that there's never been a man alive nearly as dangerous as some second rate infectious diseases, it's about the dumbest answer imaginable. (Extra demerits awarded for hampering control of polio, which is right on the edge of being finally eradicated, and for doing so in a region where any remaining infections are atypically likely to spread via the more downmarket Hajj trips to assorted other areas where vaccination programs are nontrivial).

          Somehow, none of this is terribly out of character for the CIA, unfortunately.
    • Given the epidemic of stupid parents that refuse to immunise children nowadays it should not be long till many of the old virus's and diseases rear their ugly heads again.

      Can't we feel good about doing something noble for a change? Even for a minute?

      Have a heart, guy!

      • by bloodhawk (813939)
        It is honestly great work by many dedicated people that have lead to this. I applaud them without reserve. I just think it is sad that so many poorly informed people work to undermine these great efforts.
    • by artor3 (1344997)

      Not if it's extinct.

    • by TubeSteak (669689)

      We don't need the old diseases to come back as drug resistant bacteria has the potential to kill modern medicine.
      Imagine getting a scratch on your hand and having to amputate because the doctors can't prevent infection..

      • by Jmc23 (2353706)
        Just slap a thick layer of honey on it. Problem solved.

        One day we'll figure out that all the cool things modern medicine can 'fix' is mainly stuff that modern life created. Everything else is pretty much soap and not shitting in your water.

  • by crabel (1862874) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:27AM (#45937085)
    Current information on the fight against polio can be found here: http://www.polioeradication.org/Dataandmonitoring/Poliothisweek.aspx [polioeradication.org] While India is polio-free, the worldwide cases actually increased last year. Well, let's hope for the best, that the optimistic assessment of Dr. Jafari is true.
  • Fantastic (Score:5, Interesting)

    by symbolset (646467) * on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:27AM (#45937087) Journal
    Great job on the part of India, the Gates foundation, and all involved. For polio to be eradicated forever would be a great thing.
  • Good on them! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Okian Warrior (537106) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:30AM (#45937101) Homepage Journal

    From the Polio Eradication Website [polioeradication.org]:

    Polio remains endemic in three countries – Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan. Until poliovirus transmission is interrupted in these countries, all countries remain at risk of importation of polio, especially in the ‘poliovirus importation belt’ of countries from west Africa to the Horn of Africa.

    Only 372 cases [polioeradication.org] worldwide last year! If we're careful, if we can convince certain political groups that polio is not an appropriate weapon of terrorism(*), we'll soon eliminate it completely.

    Interestingly, polio is monitored from the sewage system [polioeradication.org] in India. Since that appears to work for polio, people are thinking about using this method to monitor other things: other diseases, weapons manufacture, drug manufacture, and so on.

    (*) Not making this up - some groups in Afghanistan think that spreading polio is a good way to get back at the Great Satan.

    • by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Monday January 13, 2014 @04:02AM (#45937211)

      There's a common rumor in Afganistan that the Polio vaccine is actually a potent lifetime contraceptive, distributed by western powers in order to keep Muslim women from breeding in readyness for a planned Christian invasion.

      The most unbelieveable part of that is the idea of a government planning so far ahead.

      • by ruir (2709173)
        If you think governments dont plan many things many decades ahead, you are naive.
    • Re:Good on them! (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 13, 2014 @04:17AM (#45937287)

      The US and other western countries have done this for quite some time now (15-20 years in California that I know of), particularly for monitoring drug consumption of the population as a whole. I'm not sure if the resulting information is made readily available to the public, but there is a government agency out there somewhere collecting this information and using it for something important enough to substantiate the costs involved.

      Source: One of my clients engineers the big compressors that are used to separate waste in sewage plants. Once separated, samples are taken and tested for various compounds.

      They also engineer subsystems that are designed specifically to collect 'unintentional waste of reasonable value' - also known as jewelry. Your wedding ring that went down the shower drain? It didn't get dumped into the ocean. It's most likely that your local sewage plant found it and melted it down for the value of the metal and gems. I found out about this something like ten years ago, and that year my local plant had gained over $400k from reclaimed jewelry. So it seems that sewage treatment really is a dirty business.

    • by Rich0 (548339)

      Not making this up - some groups in Afghanistan think that spreading polio is a good way to get back at the Great Satan.

      Sounds like a genius plan. Spread a disease which is almost universally vaccinated against within the USA, but not within your own community. That will get them far...

  • by Y-Crate (540566) on Monday January 13, 2014 @03:47AM (#45937161)

    The WSJ:

    There also have been recent outbreaks in the Horn of Africa and Syria, although there are signs that those cases will soon be mopped up.

    NPR: [npr.org]

    The World Health Organization has declared a polio emergency in Syria.

    After being free of the crippling disease for more than a decade, Syria recorded 10 confirmed cases of polio in October. Now the outbreak has grown to 17 confirmed cases, the WHO said last week. And the virus has spread to four cities, including a war-torn suburb near the capital of Damascus.

    The Syrian government has pledged to immunize all Syrian children under age 5. But wartime politics is getting in the way. And the outbreak is expected to grow.

    "Actually, it is spreading quickly," says Dr. Mohammed Al Saad in Gaziantep, Turkey, near the northern border of Syria. There are now more than 60 suspected cases, he says, with new ones reported each day.

  • As much as everyone likes to hate Bill Gates - India and a number of other countries owe him (and the global Rotary community) for helping in this effort. More on End Polio [endpolio.org].

    • As much as everyone likes to hate Bill Gates - India and a number of other countries owe him (and the global Rotary community) for helping in this effort. More on End Polio [endpolio.org].

      I don't necessarily disagree... but this effort predates the founding of the Gates Foundation by a few decades. We were hearing about efforts to eradicate Polio back in the 1970s!

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Yes the effort pre-dates the Gates Foundation. But the latest efforts have been partly funded by the Gates Foundation with a challenge grant. The effort was running out of gas until Bill and Melinda stepped up. The greatest thanks should go to the rotarians and health workers in the third world countries where these efforts continue. The logistics required to deliver doses to millions of children in third world conditions is massive.

  • At constant risk (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Chrisq (894406)

    India will still be at constant risk. This modern secular country is right next to a muzzy hell-hole where attacks on polio workers [bbc.co.uk] are frequent [thenational.ae]. Among the many other things that Islam forbids they have now decided that polio vaccines are unislamic [indianexpress.com].

    yet again this (literally) diabolical 'religion' brings death and suffering to the world.

    • by Sockatume (732728) on Monday January 13, 2014 @05:09AM (#45937449)

      Criticises religion, "literally" places blame on satan. :)

    • Luckily for them, the India-Pakistan border is already a heavily fortified one.

    • India will still be at constant risk. This modern secular country is right next to a muzzy hell-hole where attacks on polio workers [bbc.co.uk] are frequent [thenational.ae].

      Depressingly, Pakistani muslims are correct in thinking that vaccination programs may be controlled by western governments. The CIA used a fake vaccination program [slate.com] (not polio) to aid in the hunt for Bin Laden.

      Among the many other things that Islam forbids they have now decided that polio vaccines are unislamic [indianexpress.com].

      Islam does not forbid vaccination [bbc.co.uk].

      • by Chrisq (894406)

        Depressingly, Pakistani muslims are correct in thinking that vaccination programs may be controlled by western governments. The CIA used a fake vaccination program [slate.com] (not polio) to aid in the hunt for Bin Laden.

        So by that reckoning if a con man pretends to be a meter reader then I would be justified in killing someone working for the electric company!

        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          The CIA used a fake vaccination program (not polio) to aid in the hunt for Bin Laden.

          So by that reckoning if a con man pretends to be a meter reader then I would be justified in killing someone working for the electric company!

          That is a staggeringly stupid thing to say. It's more like a government assassin was disguised as a meter reader, with the blessing of the meter readers office. You would be justified in being suspicious of every meter reader in the future, and of blowing their back out if they made a move towards you that looked like an attack. Indeed, you'd be an idiot not to stay on your guard around them at all times.

          PG&E and local fire departments have both in the past been conned into spying on citizens' activity

          • by Chrisq (894406)

            That is a staggeringly stupid thing to say. It's more like a government assassin was disguised as a meter reader, with the blessing of the meter readers office .

            Citation needed - this contradicts the source you provide and its link to the Guardian [theguardian.com] that says that it was a "fake" program in a wealthy area that would not qualify for free vaccinations. I would hope that "fake" here just means only they were pretending to be part of the eradication program but were not, and that the actual injections were real!

            • by drinkypoo (153816)

              Citation needed - this contradicts the source you provide and its link to the Guardian that says that it was a "fake" program in a wealthy area that would not qualify for free vaccinations. I would hope that "fake" here just means only they were pretending to be part of the eradication program but were not, and that the actual injections were real!

              The actual inspections by PG&E and fire departments were real, too. They were collecting real information about fire hazards. That wasn't their primary purpose, though, as proven by a lack of contact attempts and willfully crossing marked property boundaries without a warrant. It doesn't actually matter if the vaccinations were fake.

  • Finally an entry on the extinct species list that we can actually be proud of.

    Polio is one nasty disease and its (almost) eradication is one of the bravest examples of human accomplishment and proof of what things our grandparents thought impossible we can achieve if we work together for a change.

    Unfortunately, once again, religion is the final obstacle in mankinds road to a better world. If they create an eradication of religion program next, sign me up.

  • Hubris (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Karmashock (2415832)

    These are merely temporary measures. These diseases come back. We've already seen some of them come back in the US.

    yes, this is largely due to the anti vaccination movement. But consider, that that is all it takes for them to come back.

    They are still out there. Waiting. Breeding. Evolving.

    The only real counter against pandemics is to control the vectors of transmission.

    Take hospitals. What is more effective at controlling infection.

    1. having doctors wash their hands.

    2. spraying everything with industrial an

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by EmagGeek (574360)

      "Mosquitoes are entirely dispensable."

      Tell that to the spiders, frogs, lizards, birds, fish, and the thousands of other species that evolved to subsist primarily on mosquitoes.

      Also tell it to the aquatic plants that would suffocate and die if not for the mosquito larvae eating the detritus and other waste that would otherwise film the surface of stagnant lakes and create a gas-exchange barrier preventing the passage of nitrogen and oxygen.

      The list goes on, but extincting the mosquito would have devastating

  • I survived polio! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) on Monday January 13, 2014 @08:11AM (#45938053) Journal
    I mean I am still alive and polio is (almost) dead!

    I contracted polio in rural India when I was about 5, 10 years after Salk's vaccine was deployed all over the USA. I had switched schools about six times in k-12, (civil servant dad posted to all the distant corners of the realm). In almost every class, in every school I had another victim as classmate. That is anecdotal evidence with the survivor bias too. How many had died? How many did not even attend school?

    Well, I am glad the scourge has been eliminated in India. Hope the fundie clerics do not stand in the way of complete eradication. It is very disheartening the fundie clerics and the Haj pilgrimage is re-introducing it again in far flung regions of the world. If polio found an able adversary in science, it has found a reliable ally in the form of Muslim fundamentalists.

  • Don't worry... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps (1157495) on Monday January 13, 2014 @09:00AM (#45938231)

    Don't worry, Jenny McCarthy will be over with a horde of uneducated soccer moms to fuck it all up for you soon enough.

  • Quick (Score:4, Funny)

    by CohibaVancouver (864662) on Monday January 13, 2014 @10:20AM (#45938843)
    Oprah! Call Jenny McCarthy, quick! We've got a situation in India that requires ignorance, stat!

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