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House Democrats Propose National Park On the Moon 255

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MarkWhittington writes "Two House Democrats, Reps. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), have proposed a bill called Apollo Lunar Landing Legacy Act, H.R. 2617 (PDF), that would establish the Apollo Lunar Landing Sites National Historical Park at all the Apollo lunar landing sites, according to a story in The Hill. 'The park would be comprised of all artifacts left on the surface of the moon from the Apollo 11 through 17 missions. The bill says these sites need to be protected because of the anticipated increase in commercial moon landings in the future.'"
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House Democrats Propose National Park On the Moon

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  • by mendax (114116) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:27AM (#44234269)

    This idea is absolutely nuts. But if they're hiring park rangers I'll be in line!

    • by Darinbob (1142669)

      I just want a season pass.

    • by dgatwood (11270)

      I think the Congresspeople who proposed it should have to be the first to staff it.

      (What do you mean there's no oxygen?)

      • by mjwx (966435)

        I think the Congresspeople who proposed it should have to be the first to staff it.

        (What do you mean there's no oxygen?)

        We tried this in the 80's. We thought we were gods.

        As it turns out when the second rocket was sent back to collect the corpses^H^H^H^H^H^H^H erm... important experimental apparatus, they were still alive. Our leading theory is that they had produced enough gas to allow them to survive an extended period in vacuum. What we cant explain is how the didn't rupture with the pressure differential.

    • But if they're hiring park rangers I'll be in line!

      Oh, I know what you are really after: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nude_on_the_moon [wikipedia.org]

    • by JTsyo (1338447)
      Sorry but the space rangers of the moon are going to look more like the rovers on Mars.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    We don't own it so they don't have the jurisdiction to pass laws on the moon. How about a zoo for these moon bats?

    • Even better: a wildlife preserve to protect all of those metal-munching mice. [wikipedia.org]
    • by Ogive17 (691899)
      Which is why the bill indicates that the protected area only includes what NASA left behind and not the surface of the moon itself because no one will own the moon.

      They are assuming space tourism will eventually lead to moon excursions and they don't want people removing the items.
  • Will there be funding to "recreate" all the artifacts that were supposedly left behind, but stolen by the aliens?

    (I need to believe that the government didn't have the ability to lie to us about that (at least not that long ago)).
  • by Okian Warrior (537106) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:36AM (#44234335) Homepage Journal

    Of all the stupid, hare-brained ideas we've seen, this one has to be the stupidest so far.

    We're close to exponential runaway on government spending (borrowing more, and more often). The economy is barely moving despite drenching it in money, jobs are part-time with no benefits, we jail more people than China, the government plainly tramples over all our civil rights, oil is running out, tax law is a joke, IP law is a joke, immigration law is a joke, H1B visas are a joke...

    ...so of course let's put a park on the moon!

    I'm half inclined to start a new political movement: the "Boot" party.

    Let's give these people "the boot" - vote the incumbents out! Keep turnover high until we get good people who can accomplish something worthwhile.

    • by Brett Buck (811747) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @01:12AM (#44234527)

      The economy is barely moving despite drenching it in money

                This is equivalent to "no matter how much gasoline I pour on it, this fire just won't go out"

           

    • by artor3 (1344997) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @01:36AM (#44234643)

      Congress can't do anything else, on account of the gridlock, so why not spend a few minutes voting on this?

      And by the way, if you just indiscriminately vote out incumbents every cycle, you'll never get anyone good in office. You'll just get wave after wave of naive freshmen, easily exploited by lobbyists.

      • by Cenan (1892902)

        So, how about revising the Boot a bit? We don't need to keep recycling people in and out of office to have a workable system, in that respect you're absolutely right.

        How about outlawing lobbying altogether, and demand that incumbents be left alone to do their job? That sounds like a good idea. Oh, even better, how about, when you hold a public office, you're expected to do that job, and it is expected to be a full time job - so we could mandate that while in office, you may not have any other for-profit act

        • Don't forget to add that politicians should be monitored whether the laws they create "accidentally" aid companies where they go after they leave office to get comfy jobs where they don't do jack for a few millions a year.

          • by Cenan (1892902)

            Sure, we can arbitrarily tighten the noose until they comply or stop running for office, whichever is fine with me - the end result just has to be that unbiased-good-for-all-of-us decision has to become the norm.

    • by Sockatume (732728)

      You don't *put* a national park *anywhere*. You *declare* an area a national park, because it has some particular quality or value that needs to be protected. Sometimes, as a result of this, you set up information stations and things to assist tourists, but that's entirely secondary.

      You think that when they created the Northeast Greenland National Park they went around putting up a fence and souvenir stands?

    • Don't forget that whole part about the moon not being part of the united states...

      and that bit about jailing more people than China.... actually we jail a larger percentage of our population than any government in the history of the world.

      • and that bit about jailing more people than China.... actually we jail a larger percentage of our population than any government in the history of the world.

        Also don't forget that we don't get enough exercise either!

        (Unless they were proposing a national prison on the moon, your point isn't exactly relevant to this discussion)

    • We're close to exponential runaway on government spending (borrowing more, and more often). The economy is barely moving despite drenching it in money, jobs are part-time with no benefits, we jail more people than China, the government plainly tramples over all our civil rights, oil is running out, tax law is a joke, IP law is a joke, immigration law is a joke, H1B visas are a joke...

      The economy is barely moving because we're clawing our way back from the worst recession in generations, and the governmen
  • by codepigeon (1202896) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:40AM (#44234347)
    The Bill passes and...the park is immediately closed due to budget cuts.

    Tell you what though; I will be first in line to apply for the position of park ranger for this one.
  • by jcr (53032) <jcr.mac@com> on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:50AM (#44234403) Journal

    None? Nothing to see here. More idiot legislators trying to get attention.

    -jcr

  • I certainly hope (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fustakrakich (1673220) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:53AM (#44234421) Journal

    That they come up with an original name [nps.gov]...

  • by pesho (843750) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @12:57AM (#44234443)
    No that they have taken care of the celestial matters, perhaps they will find some time for actually running the country. Banal earthly matters such as the farm bill apparently requires some attention.
    • by cdrudge (68377)

      There's 435 voting representatives and 100 senators. Despite Congress's ability to get any real meaningful work done in Washington as a whole due to partisan politics, it's still entirely possible for individual members to multitask and work on multiple works of legislation at the same time.

      Somehow the effort required to setup a lunar national park that most likely would have minimal if any opposition to as well as likely unenforceable (at least outside the US and maybe inside as well) is significantly easi

  • Yes, let's spend time in the House of Representatives debating a bill establishing an international landmark on the moon because we got nothing better to do.

    We have not seen a federal budget passed in how long? Ten years I recall. We got federal agents selling guns to drug dealers. These drug dealers then shoot federal agents. The economy is crap. We've seen an ambassador and his security detail get murdered. Government employees are openly lying to Congress and keep their jobs instead of ending up in

    • by EzInKy (115248)

      It will take at least a generation for the "old guard" to die off. After you and your friends have all died off Congress will come together and be able to act in unison.

  • by gumpish (682245) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @02:22AM (#44234819) Journal

    The park would be comprised of all artifacts left on the surface of the moon from the Apollo 11 through 17 missions.

    Including bags of astronaut shit? [youtube.com] Yeah, it just wouldn't be the same if someone cleaned those up...

    • by mjwx (966435)

      The park would be comprised of all artifacts left on the surface of the moon from the Apollo 11 through 17 missions.

      Including bags of astronaut shit? [youtube.com] Yeah, it just wouldn't be the same if someone cleaned those up...

      At least they bagged it, I'm sick of having to avoid naked dog turds on the footpath.

    • by Sockatume (732728)

      If we return those, we could bring back the original Astronauts with advanced cloning techniques, and let them roam free in the park. Apollo Park.

  • The real reason they want to make a park on the moon is so they can setup a gun free zone that actually has zero crime.
  • Travel geeks would kill for that NPS passport book stamp!
  • Yeah, that is a thing that is going to happen. Any day now.

  • by Jonathunder (105885) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @06:17AM (#44235729) Homepage

    The United States Department of the Interior listed a location outside the nation on the National Register of Historic Places: the oldest American embassy [wikipedia.org]. The Apollo sites are certainly as worthy of preservation. They should be listed as historic landmarks.

  • I want my camera! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RDW (41497) on Wednesday July 10, 2013 @06:39AM (#44235835)

    Hasselblad, who made some of NASA's photographic equipment, used to run adverts offering free cameras to anyone who was prepared to go and pick them up. These were, of course, the Hasselblads left behind by the astronauts on the lunar surface. And now this bunch of do-gooders wants to put all the Apollo artefacts off-limits! Has the camera offer been cancelled? I feel betrayed!

  • I propose Newt Gingrich as Chief Ranger.

  • The lunar landing sites are historically significant. At the very least there should be a policy in place that all space agencies, private and public, should recognize these sites and possibly protect them. At least make it so the lander base, flags, experiments and vehicles must not be disturbed, moved or vandalized. In the future if there are regular commercial visits people will try to take artifacts back for collection.

    As for a national park: NO. The USA nor any other country or agency owns the moon.

  • It's good to see our government working on important things. Things like making a national park in a place we're incapable of reaching right now. Doubly so since there's nothing else for our government to be doing right now.
  • Aren't all artifacts left by the Apollo missions still considered US property and therefore still protected by federal law? As far as I know, the US government never relinquished ownership, and therefore no additional protection is needed.

    All this does is add unnecessary bureaucracy and administrative costs. Once this "park" is set up, the artifacts will have to be catalogued, regulations drafted, lawyers proficient in space law consulted -all this will be non-trivial expenses for little benefit.

  • It's dumb for Americans to claim the moon as ours.

  • start an embassy on the site.

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