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2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon 470

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gurps_npc writes "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists were caught in upstate NY when they tried to solicit money from various honorable Jewish organizations to build a truck based x-ray weapon. They intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel. But the Jewish organizations they tried to solicit money from refused to participate. Instead they called the FBI, who promptly set up a sting. The men were arrested before the machine was in working order."
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2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon

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  • by Roachie (2180772) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:30PM (#44055979)
    ... I can see right thru it.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by hutsell (1228828)

      ... I can see right thru it.

      It reads more like a modern day version of someone trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge. However, IANAR[aygun engineer].

      • A solid science story, and people are going off on tangents. First thing I though, yeah this is a brilliant plan: How long would you have to point an x-ray machine at someone before it would even cause radiation sickness? Several hours or something? Remember, all EM radiation falls off with the square of the distance, so if someone sits in a truck with an x-ray machine pointed at you from across a parking lot, it is losing a lot of potency. It would be much simpler to go stab the person with a broken bottle
    • by similar_name (1164087) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:45PM (#44056077)
      My x-ray gun is purely for hunting.
  • by fustakrakich (1673220) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:31PM (#44055987) Journal

    No such thing!

  • They were probably just broke and got solicited by undercover FBI goons to make a "terrorist" plot.

  • by MassiveForces (991813) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:42PM (#44056049)
    rumor has it they got their x-ray training right under the nose of the TSA without raising suspicion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:43PM (#44056063)

    Anything is acceptable. burning witches, executing gays, xraying muslims, rocketing israelis, raping kids, car bombing protestants. its all good as long as god agrees....and if you read your books there are passages that'll help you along :)

  • also known as "Ark of the Covenant". Moses should thank God that the Egyptians didn't have the NSA.
    • by noh8rz10 (2716597)

      also known as "Ark of the Covenant". Moses should thank God that the Egyptians didn't have the NSA.

      it belongs in a museum!

  • by crioca (1394491) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:44PM (#44056073)
    Gotta say, after everything I've heard on the Internet; the Zionist conspiracy really doesn't live up to the hype...
    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      Gotta say, after everything I've heard on the Internet; the Zionist conspiracy really doesn't live up to the hype...

      Creating a nation by force and using it to foment hate in the region isn't sufficient for you?

  • So they're going to potentially cancer them to death? Wow. It'd take a nuclear reactor to power an Xray beam powerful enough to give someone massive radiation poisoning or melt them or something and then you might as well just throw the nuclear reactor itself at them, lol.
    • Re:weeeeak (Score:5, Informative)

      by iggymanz (596061) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:08PM (#44056275)

      no, you should read about the foot x-ray machines some shoe stores used in the 1940s, they gave some people 20 REM of dose! It doesn't take that much power to make dangerous levels of X-Ray radiation.

      • Re:weeeeak (Score:5, Interesting)

        by GameboyRMH (1153867) <gameboyrmh@gmaiWELTYl.com minus author> on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:14PM (#44056313) Journal

        Exactly, the gear could be man-portable. This is actually an amazingly brilliant plot, you're not around when the victim dies, you leave no evidence on the victim, even if someone spots you during the assassination they couldn't tell you're killing the person (just holding a suitcase near them or backing them with a backpack). This is the most impressively clever thing I've heard of in ages, I'm kind of jealous I never thought of it myself.

        • Need I remind you: Kids! Don't try this at home!

        • Re:weeeeak (Score:5, Insightful)

          by joe_frisch (1366229) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @09:43PM (#44056887)

          I was really hoping that no one would think of portable radiation generators for this. The only way to stop this is to control some very broadly useful technologies - high voltage generators, vacuum equipment. The basic problem is that a clever person can do a huge amount of damage with readily available, difficult to regulate equipment. Unless we eliminate the situations that motivate terrorists (politically very difficult), we will either need ever increasing security and monitoring, or we will need to accept that a fair number of people will die. I'm willing to accept the deaths, but I don't think most americans are.

        • Re:weeeeak (Score:5, Informative)

          by sploxx (622853) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @11:23PM (#44057475)

          This is actually not a new idea. In East Germany, the STASI is alleged to have done that:

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/352461.stm [bbc.co.uk]

          Pretty scary and brutal stuff.

      • by Nivag064 (904744)

        I remember them!

        I used to go into shoe stores by myself as a young child to look at the bones in my feet - totally oblivious of any possible danger...

        This was when I lived in Wallasey, United Kingdom.

  • by supersat (639745) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:54PM (#44056143)

    This sounds almost like what the government is already deploying [csmonitor.com]. In one context, x-ray trucks are terrorism. In the other, they're part of the counter-terrorism effort.

    And yes, I know the doses would be different, but where do you draw the line?

    • by blueg3 (192743)

      This sounds almost like what the government is already deploying [csmonitor.com]. In one context, x-ray trucks are terrorism. In the other, they're part of the counter-terrorism effort.

      And yes, I know the doses would be different, but where do you draw the line?

      That's like saying giving someone an injection with a needle that's been sterilized with bleach is the same as giving them an injection of bleach. Hey, they both contain *some* bleach!

      Quantity is important.

  • Nazi scum! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Baldrson (78598) * on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @07:57PM (#44056173) Homepage Journal
    Obviously the Jews that turned in the pro-Israelis are self-hating Nazi scum!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:04PM (#44056233)
    http://www.balteau.com/upload/normal/ceram35_hx.jpg [balteau.com]

    Big old X-ray tubes that are used for taking pictures of welds in bulkheads, etc. I heard a story that some guy in the '80s killed one of his co-workers on purpose by aiming the tube through a wall at his victim. Having worked with the bigger tubes, I can see it.

  • Odd morning (Score:5, Funny)

    by Tablizer (95088) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:13PM (#44056309) Journal

    "What's that big truck in front of our office?"

    "I don't know, and why is your spleen showing on my laptop?"

  • by manu0601 (2221348) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @08:16PM (#44056331)
    "radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?
    • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @09:20PM (#44056745) Journal

      "radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?

      They don't tend to be called 'terrorists'(because, by virtue of being moderate, they use violence to achieve ends that good, upstanding, people agree with); but nothing about being a terrorist actually requires any particular flavor of agenda, just the presence of somebody opposed to whatever your agenda is, and the willingness and capability to employ coercive violence and fear.

      Somebody like Sir Arthur Harris [wikipedia.org] would arguably qualify. He was an ideologically unexceptional commander of British air forces during WWII, and implemented the British 'saturation bombing' efforts against civilian targets and infrastructure. As he candidly described it:
       
      "the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories."

      If that doesn't qualify as 'terrorism', I'm not certain what would; but he's a deeply un-radical figure, pretty much heading to the office every day to implement the (widely prevailing) logic of "Total War" in the service of his government, a not-exactly-radical line of business.

      (I don't particularly mean to pick on the British, relatively staid people who execute what are unambiguously terror tactics aren't especially uncommon, or confined to any particular nation, he just happened to be a good example that I hit on quickly.)

  • "both said they were committed to building the device and named the group 'the guild,' the indictment said."

    Vork and Zaboo, no!

  • Really now? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TheCarp (96830) <sjc@cGINSBERGarpanet.net minus poet> on Wednesday June 19, 2013 @10:42PM (#44057221) Homepage

    Dr. Fred Mettler, the U.S. representative on the United Nations' Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, was unfamiliar with the specifics of Crawford's plans but said it's unlikely such a device could work. Radiation can be narrowly beamed, as it is in some cancer treatments, but the accelerators require huge amounts of electricity, are not easily portable and any target would have to remain still for a long time.

    "I don't know of any of these that you can use like a gun to aim at someone on the street," Mettler said.

    http://www.labx.com/v2/adsearch/detail3.cfm?adnumb=491358#MoreDesc [labx.com]

    Mobile unit, runs on batteries, would fit in a van. However....its only a mobile xray unit. Claims ~1900 exposures per charge. I doubt it is made to run in continuous output.... and still only going to be effective at a very short range.

    Maybe if you parked a van along a route that your target walked several times a day, for multiple days.... and his path took him within a few feet of the side of the van....and the van.... its not a metal body is it? That's going to be a problem too. Not entirely impossible that a dangerous dose could be delivered, and by dangerous I mean like, increasing his chance of cancer and possibly thyroid or kidney issues in his old age sort of dangerous.

    So two things:

    1. He went to jewish groups, after going to the Klan:

    Crawford also traveled to North Carolina in October to solicit money for the weapon from a ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan, who informed the FBI.

    But Doesn't the Klan hate the Zionists? Huh? This guy is just playing the I hate muslims thing....ok, that works I guess. Still, a bit of a douche move to pitch it to the Klan and then adopt the "Enemies of Israel" spiel. Good salesmanship I guess.

    2. This seems overly complex and expensive. Shit, at that point, why not just buy some laser diodes and have a hand portable device capable of blinding someone permenantly from a safe distance, and instantly? Oh.... wait... that would only cost a few hundred bucks.

    So I am thinking the scam artists who were looking to take some people for some cash they couldn't rightly sue him for the return of, got caught up in a bigger con game where the FBI set them up to con us into thinking that we really need their protection.

    I bet you if they didn't arrest them when they did, they would have driven off with the van and disappeared, gone back to the KKK and offered their services, and then shopped around for more suckers. If they finds out it doesn't expose film, they would have had some films made up and claimed its too dangerous to be nearby while it runs.

  • by Agent0013 (828350) on Thursday June 20, 2013 @04:04PM (#44064803) Journal

    So if we are supposed to accept the NSA recording our phone meta-data and storing email and internet traffic so they can stop terrorists, why is it they didn't stop these people? It always seems that it's regular people on the plane noticing someone trying to light their underwear or whatever. Nobody stopped the Boston bombers. But at least we have this backtrack of meta-data to look at. Who cares about the dead, we give up the freedom so we can have the full picture after the fact. That way the movies made years later can be accurate.

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