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Iran Unveils Its Own Stealth Fighter Jet, the Qaher F-313 260

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An anonymous reader writes "Iran has unveiled a new home-made combat aircraft, which officials say can evade radar. The single-seat Qaher F313 (Dominant F313) is the latest design produced by Iran's military since it launched the Azarakhsh (Lightning), in 2007. President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad said it had 'almost all the positive features' of the world's most sophisticated jets.Footage from state TV showed the jet in flight, but not its take-off or landing."
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Iran Unveils Its Own Stealth Fighter Jet, the Qaher F-313

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  • by stoolpigeon (454276) * <bittercode@gmail> on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:03AM (#42784873) Homepage Journal

    and the pixels are a dead giveaway here

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by spxZA (996757)
      Exactly! It's a *stealth* plane. You aren't meant to see stealth anything. Clearly created in a studio.
  • by karlandtanya (601084) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:05AM (#42784883)

    Well, they did say *almost*.

    • by 91degrees (207121)
      Iran does have its own home made drones. Drones are actually pretty simple because a lot of the work goes on making them cheap rather than making them technologically advanced.
  • by sribe (304414) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:08AM (#42784903)

    So stealthy, that I bet no other country will ever be able to detect one in flight ;-)

  • by MadTinfoilHatter (940931) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:10AM (#42784913)

    President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad said it had 'almost all the positive features' of the world's most sophisticated jets.

    Riiight...

    Footage from state TV showed the jet in flight, but not its take-off or landing."

    Well, those were not among the features that this aircraft has in common with its Western counterparts.

    • Riiight...

      Sure it does. It has wings, wheels, all the usual control surfaces. A wiggly thing just near where the pilot sits. Lots of knobs and dials, and a really low radar signature.

      That's almost all the features.

      Except it doesn't actually fly.

      That's all but 1!

    • by tibit (1762298)

      Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.

      Generally speaking, claiming oneself to be a believer in Islam while being an obsessive liar is a bit of a problem. I guess politicians have their own way of redefining whatever "religion" they associate with... And, before anyone chimes in with the obvious, the below doesn't really apply because Iran is not Microsoft. They don't need Microsoft-style made-up plane FUD for any reason -- most readily because no one who is ostensibly the target of such fairy tales ("westerners") would take them on face value.

      • by sjbe (173966)

        claiming oneself to be a believer in Islam while being an obsessive liar is a bit of a problem.

        Explain to me how anyone who seriously claims to follow any organized religion is anything but an obsessive liar. They believe in a bunch of (mostly) made up stories that they by definition cannot prove to have any basis in fact. Hence they are liars at a minimum to themselves and quite probably to others. Making up stories shows no incompatibility with politics whatsoever.

        • by Fwipp (1473271)

          Athiest here, but I wanted to say: faith in something unprovable does not make you a liar.

          • faith in something unprovable does not make you a liar.

            The proper term for it in those cases is confabulation [wikipedia.org] which is sometimes referred to as an "honest lie". There may be no intent to deceive but the person is making up a story that they cannot support with objectively verifiable facts. When you don't know an answer to a question and you make up an "answer", you are confabulating. Confabulation is considered a form of lying [wikipedia.org].

      • by Rogerborg (306625)
        The justification is simple that this is (childishly clumsy) propaganda aimed at Israel and the USA, and according to the Quran and Hadith, it's absolutely fine to lie to, cheat and swindle infidels.
      • While this doesn't so much apply here since the intended audience is first and foremost the Persians themselves who are mostly ululating Muslims, but the Quran does say [thereligionofpeace.com] in various forms that you can and should lie to infidels especially if it conceals the weakness of the faithful or allows them to gain advantage over the infidels.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:13AM (#42784939)

    "It's Cardboard."

  • Footage copied form top gun or some other movie

    • by synapse7 (1075571)
      Looks like real footage, but it looks to me like a remote control jet of the hobbyist type.
  • by vlm (69642) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:17AM (#42784967)

    Note the intense weasel wording...

    built with "advanced materials" and to have a very low radar signature

    So all we really know for certain is its not the "Spruce Goose". Well that's not saying much.

    can evade radar

    Yeah so can the Cessna 172 I trained in. Now doing it well, and doing it easily, and being optimized for that task, that's a whole nother topic.

    Perhaps a little overly ambitious. For people who know nothing about aerospace the best I can do is a standardized slashdot car analogy: This is like Henry Ford hand building his first model T engineering demonstrator but declaring he's going to skip a couple steps and start shipping Tesla model S RSN.

    • by Luckyo (1726890) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:46AM (#42785211)

      Cessna 172 has a huge radar cross section. Those wing mounts and engine are shiners. You're talking about flying under radar horizon, which is not stealthy as any modern fighter is equipped with look down-shoot down radar which will find you and light you up like a christmas tree in a matter of seconds of entering its range.

      • Seems to me there's a difference between "evade radar" and "doesn't show up on radar". I think of evading as active - in this case, flying in such a way as to avoid the actual radio waves whereas "doesn't show up on radar" is more about minimizing cross section, radar-absorbing paint, etc - passive methods.

      • by vlm (69642)

        Doesn't matter. Lets play jeopardy, what model aircraft landed in Red Square on May 28, 1987? As a kid getting into aviation at that time, I got lectured by numerous relatives just to make sure I didn't get any ideas by that story... Yes yes I know that despite the legends of sneaking in, he got detected multiple times, but no one could agree what to do about him, so they logged it, did nothing, and eventually lots of bosses heads rolled (you can tell this happened in the USSR, in the USA we'd have given

        • by Cederic (9623)

          More interesting was that he was prosecuted for Malicious Hooliganism.

          Sounds a bit of a giggle until you remember the specifics of the Russian justice system.

        • by PhxBlue (562201)

          The unclassified range of the F-22's detection systems is "more than 250 nautical miles." So actually, there's a good chance it could see you from 300.

        • by cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) on Monday February 04, 2013 @01:12PM (#42786563)

          IIRC, he was detected, just wasn't shot down. More due to "what do we do what do we DO" than any stealthiness of such a basic plane.

          • by vlm (69642)

            That's what made is a successful social engineering hack. AKA CIA involvement. Which I'm still sort of inclined to believe.

            Lets say you want to get most of the heads of the USSR airforce out of the way or fired or sent to the Gulag because they won't play along in a blackmail deal or whatever.

            Solution? Send a kid in a Cessna to land in Red Square. Insta-fired. If they shoot the kid down they're fired because he's just a crazy teen in a civilian GA aircraft, if they don't shoot him down they're fired be

    • by interkin3tic (1469267) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:49AM (#42785235)
      So it's safe to assume that this is just to convince the Iranian citizens that Iran has the military might to back up it's bluster? "Yeah, we could totally take the Americans and Israelis in a fight. Their technology may seem formidable, prompting you to question why we're trying to build a nuke and are always threatening them, but it's not tough. Look! Stealth jets! Just came up with this over the weekend! We're all good. Don't question the state, we know what we are doing, and would not throw away your lives in a war we can't possibly win."

      (Note that I'm not saying that the US and Israel are morally right just because we happen to have stronger military forces. I wish both sides acted responsibly and had far fewer weapons.)
  • Looks like a model (Score:4, Informative)

    by AdamInParadise (257888) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:17AM (#42784975) Homepage

    Not sure whether this is a hoax or not, but the pictures seems to show a model, not a real plane. Have a look at the cockpit : http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/19/media19/2013/Feb/2/LiveLeak-dot-com-4347f2b9fa55-f313_17_preview.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad29f444cd3d1ca14&ec_rate=200 [liveleak.com]
    I don't know anything about jet fighters, but I can recognize a Thrustmaster Mark II joystick stuck to a pole. And the material on the border of the cabin definitely looks like duct tape. And the canopy does not seem to lock into anything. And so on.

  • Footage from state TV showed the jet in flight, but not its take-off or landing

    Just because they can get it into the air once, doesn't mean they can do so a second time ... assuming it's not part of some Photoshop Air Force.

  • by funky49 (182835) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:22AM (#42785019) Homepage

    I love these guys: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/qaher-313.htm [globalsecurity.org]

    David Cenciotti noted that the plane featured “implausible aerodynamics and Hollywood sheen” and was laughably small for a fighter jet. He also commented thatthe cockpit was far too basic for a sophisticated aircraft, and appeared “similar to those equipping small private planes. ... The nose section is so small almost no radar could fit in it ... The air intakes are extremely small, whereas the engine section lacks any kind of nozzle: engine afterburners could melt the entire jet. ... It looks like this pilot is in a miniature plane” and it appeared “nothing more than a large mock-up model.” Iran also broadcast video footage of the Qaher F-313 in flight, which Cenciotti said appeared to fly like a “radio-controlled scale model more than a modern fighter jet.” He also noted it was suspect that Tehran did not release takeoff and landing footage of its new aircraft.

    • by Luckyo (1726890) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:57AM (#42785321)

      Pretty much all of Iran's "own fighters" have been vaporware so far. This is pretty well known. They cannot really make anything of their own with all the crippling sanctions that isn't overly cheap knockoff.

      That said, it doesn't mean that they can't test new stuff. Most planes start off as drones and eventually move to production. Most of the Russian and various Western jets that jumped up in generation had severe teething problems of their own (F-22 and F-35 make great examples here), and those nations actually have great expertise in designing these planes, not to mention economies that can support huge development costs associated with these programs. Iran lacks all of these.

      Iran could, and likely is working on something. It's highly unlikely to be practical and working fighter jet, just like all of its previous fighter jets. Beyond the propaganda bullshit, it shows that with all the sanctions, they still have some degree of expertise and skill and every once in a while they have to show off something like this. Something that will never become a practical application, but to show that they still have some semblance of capability of making a high tech device.

      And then they sell their anti ship missiles that cost next to nothing and manage to cripple a high tech Israeli ship. Or have a NATO general win war games using nothing but their low quality, but cheap and numerous hardware against significantly more technologically advanced NATO forces.

      • by JeanCroix (99825)

        Something that will never become a practical application, but to show that they still have some semblance of capability of making a high tech device.

        I'm sorry, I see no high tech device there. To what are you referring?

    • by dj245 (732906)

      I love these guys: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/qaher-313.htm [globalsecurity.org]

      David Cenciotti noted that the plane featured “implausible aerodynamics and Hollywood sheen” and was laughably small for a fighter jet. He also commented thatthe cockpit was far too basic for a sophisticated aircraft, and appeared “similar to those equipping small private planes. ... The nose section is so small almost no radar could fit in it ... The air intakes are extremely small, whereas the engine section lacks any kind of nozzle: engine afterburners could melt the entire jet. ... It looks like this pilot is in a miniature plane” and it appeared “nothing more than a large mock-up model.” Iran also broadcast video footage of the Qaher F-313 in flight, which Cenciotti said appeared to fly like a “radio-controlled scale model more than a modern fighter jet.” He also noted it was suspect that Tehran did not release takeoff and landing footage of its new aircraft.

      I'm not saying the jet is real, but releasing takeoff and landing footage would give away some secret technical information about the aircraft. If you wanted to keep that information secret, not releasing the footage would be a good idea. For example- a video of a takeoff could be used to calculate minimum takeoff speed, thrust to weight ratio, etc. Probably more. A landing video might contain useful information also. For a country which is basically hostile to every other country in the world, keeping

  • Engine sounds like a ducted fan.

    Look at how thick the rear wing is (look at where the wing and body meet). Definitely not supersonic. Also, major directional stability issues.
  • "Flight Capability"

  • by Moskit (32486) on Monday February 04, 2013 @10:40AM (#42785165)

    This is obviously targeted at Iranian audience.

    Analysing it outside of political influence on Iran's own people is mostly a waste of time.

    • by Luckyo (1726890)

      Pretty much this. Iran had multiple similar vaporware "homegrown" fighter jet projects that are supposed to be operational, and yet they have to use Frogfoots for anti air combat over Persian Gulf.

    • by guttentag (313541)

      This is obviously targeted at Iranian audience.

      I keep waiting for the day when Iran will claim to have invented a next-generation satellite dish that does not require line of sight to a satellite, works underground, and remarkably only receives state-approved channels. Upon inspection we will find it is a large plastic Tupperware bowl screwed onto a cable box, which in turn is hooked up to the local cable network.

      • This is obviously targeted at Iranian audience.

        I keep waiting for the day when Iran will claim to have invented a next-generation satellite dish that does not require line of sight to a satellite, works underground, and remarkably only receives state-approved channels. Upon inspection we will find it is a large plastic Tupperware bowl screwed onto a cable box, which in turn is hooked up to the local cable network.

        See, that actually sounds much more like something North Korea would do, except for the whole "cable boxes won't work without power" thing....ahh hell, that wouldn't stop them.

  • It's like a little baby F-35!

    Reminds me of a "personal sport jet" Burt Rutan designed, can't remember the name of it. It was available in kit form and cost about $150k in mid-'90s dollars to build IIRC. It wasn't a canard design but was about the same size and had the same bubbly cute look.

    Looks like a lot of fun, but good luck carrying any meaningful number of missiles on that thing, or fuel for that matter - another big limitation Rutan's personal sport jet shared IIRC.

  • If you would like to test your new jet please feel free to fly it out to one of carriers. We will be more than happy to have the best radars made test its' stealthiness. We will also test its' combat effectiveness. Signed Commander, US 5th Fleet Manama, Bahrain
  • Lool (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward

    That is a Top gun Thrustmaster on the cockpit!!!

    http://www.hak900.com/top-gun-thrustmaster-joystick/

  • by azav (469988) on Monday February 04, 2013 @11:37AM (#42785647) Homepage Journal

    "It's only a model".

    Really.

  • by Malenx (1453851) on Monday February 04, 2013 @11:44AM (#42785709)

    Oh crap...

    This is 300 iterations more advanced than our F13s!

    If we don't catch up and start pumping out F500s or heaven forbid, at least F400s... liberty and democracy will end as we know it!

  • I did not RTFA, nor do I want to.

    But I have an awesome mental picture of this "damn fine" fighter jet...something akin to the Wagon Queen Family Truckster...with wings.

    And I don't want to sully that with another 'fake' reality. Really hope it is painted in metallic paint, though.

    I know, I know..."wait until ya FLY it!"

  • by Zcar (756484) on Monday February 04, 2013 @12:37PM (#42786151)

    With vertical stabilizers added.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_X-36 [wikipedia.org]

  • So much hate (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Jmc23 (2353706)
    I'm suprised at all the irrational hatred and derision on this site towards Iran. It's almost cosmically funny that most of the posts are about Iran's stupid attempts at propaganda when all the hatred and derision comes from US propaganda.
  • by jfdavis668 (1414919) on Monday February 04, 2013 @01:06PM (#42786489)
    Next up for Iran, thier copy of the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator
  • They're new to the world domination business, and clearly still wet behind the ears. When you're a legitimate world power, you are supposed to issue press releases and hold press conferences denying that you have a stealth aircraft or other advanced weaponry. Say it over and over again, pound your fist on the podium, go to the United Nations, and repeat "we do not possess any of the stealth fighters that have been spotted taking off and landing at Iranian air bases." Have your state media publish front p

  • Kinda odd that they don't manufacture aircraft until now and then suddenly construct an aircraft that put's China's to shame. Somehow I doubt they built something so advanced and compact when obviously there is only one country in the world who could make something like that... Japan, and last I heard they were still out of the fighter aircraft construction game. ;)

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