Russia Says Next-Gen Spacecraft Design Ready 59
The next generation of Russian spacecraft will be ready for test flights by 2017, according to Energia President Vitaly Lopota. 'We have completed the technical design project taking into account the fact that the new spaceship is to fly to the Moon, among other places,' he said. Federal Space Agency Roscosmos head Vladimir Popovkin says the new ship would be built by 2018 and would be able to conduct missions to the International Space Station and the Moon.
Been there done that (Score:1)
'We have completed the technical design project taking into account the fact that the new spaceship is to fly to the Moon, among other places,'
ISS and where? The Bahamas? Restaurant at the end of the universe? Not a lotta stops within breathing time.
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At least they're trying - NASA can't even make it to the ISS since the shuttle got decommisioned.
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Re:Been there done that (Score:5, Insightful)
This is not a program, it's a proposal. Every year they trot out a couple of proposals (remember klipr?) and see if they can get interest and funding.
If not (and so far "not" has always been the case) then they go back to the drawing board and make another proposal in 8 or 12 months.
Over and over
Pretty much everything you just said could be said about NASA too. How many times have they promised return trips to the moon and men on Mars over the decades?
Just watch. This will go nowhere, and next year there will be a different plan for a different vehicle.
Again, ditto for NASA's moon and Mars programs.
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Well, this has a lot to do with our politics. It's a lot like the budget... the president introduces his proposal for the next 10 years. "Ok, I have 2 years left in office so NASA's 10 year plan is to go to the moon, then mars, meet some aliens and invent warp drive. The first 2 years will be the planning stages, funding will begin at 4 years..."
Next president gets into office "Ok, my 20 year plan for NASA is..."
and on and on. What we need are presidents that propose plans and budgets for their CURRENT term
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This is also the reason why the last manned spaceflight vehicle to actually fly in space was the Space Shuttle.... in spite of literally dozens of programs that were started after the Nixon administration including several with actual flight hardware (the DC-X comes to mind in particular not to mention the Ares I-X). SLS is just the latest of major NASA programs that are eventually going to be flushed down the toilet of failed programs.
Technically the Space Shuttle was even started under the Johnson admini
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The DC-X program never made it above 10,000 ft and didn't have a follow-on project*, while the Ares I-X was an avionics package with a dummy load quite literally strapped to the top of a spare Space Shuttle SRB. The only reason the Shuttle survived as long as it did was inertia and the fact that nobody wanted to stand up and throw money at a new manned spaceflight program after the embarrassment that was the Shuttle. Thank god the Shuttle (while awesome) is dead and we can use much safer (and cheaper) techn
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My point of mentioning the DC-X and Ares I-X is that those were the highlights of projects that actually got something done and had real flight hardware... post Shuttle development. The rest of the projects never even got that far, other than perhaps the "Big G" Gemini II spacecraft (proposed and developed about the same time as the Space Shuttle). All that was built for that project was a capsule prototype that was supposed to sit on top of an Atlas rocket (I think Atlas IV, but I might be mistaken). So
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Rockets take forever to plan and build, especially at the government level. SpaceX (a lean "startup" company) was founded 10 years ago and just this year started regular commercial service. Boeing, Lockheed/ULA are going to drag their feet for 15-20 years to develop a new launch system.
A 10 year plan is actually ambitious. Space Travel is Hard. The Orion capsule has been a complete disaster, they've been working on it since 2005, and the parachute tests have been such abject failures that they've a
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What's odd is they seem to have an endless supply of money to generate paper spacecraft. Considering they never ever get funding to actually build any of these things, I really wonder how they get funding to continue fiddling around with CAD software.
We Choose Not To Go (Score:2)
That's got nothing to do with NASA's technical or engineering capabilities. It's solely the result of political decisions, as are all major decisions about NASA's human missions and objectives. They've all existed at the behest of the White House, and they all ended when the White House pulled the plug. Those are major decisions and NASA doesn't get to make them on its own.
It's about money. There's all kind of pushback when even marginal boosts to NASA's budget are mooted. A lot of that is cynical polit
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To paraphrase you,
"We would have the capabilities to do anything we decided to do, if only we had decided to do it."
Is that what you're saying? If so, allow me to point out that a capability that we decided not to develop is a capability that we DO NOT HAVE. Right now, today, we can't put people into space. We can't put people on the moon. And, we damn sure can't put people on Mars. The capabilities that we once had have atrophied. Ever heard, "Use it or lose it"? It applies to technology as well as
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You fail to understand what I said.
We had the capability to go to the Moon more than 40 years ago. That capability did not atrophy through lack of use. The Saturn and Apollo programs were cancelled and defunded by Congress with the approval of President Nixon. That was a conscious political decision to eliminate that capability.
Ditto the Shuttle program: The program was cancelled and defunded.
We never, obviously, developed a Mars capability. NASA, however, had post-Apollo plans for Mars that were not f
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'We have completed the technical design project taking into account the fact that the new spaceship is to fly to the Moon, among other places,'
ISS and where? The Bahamas? Restaurant at the end of the universe? Not a lotta stops within breathing time.
. Maybe near-earth asteroids?
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Well, there is a Howard Johnsons on one of them.
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"ISS and where? The Bahamas? Restaurant at the end of the universe? Not a lotta stops within breathing time."
There are plenty of other places in space, its just that there is nothing there.
Setting up a sation at L5 might be a good idea...
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in the article they talk about de-orbiting satelites. so, those were likely the other places.
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No shit Sherlock! Maybe they'll inspect a Legrange.
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I've lost count (Score:3, Interesting)
I've lost count of how many "next generation" the Russians have announced as being "practically ready" or terms amounting to the same thing.
Not to mention the article is silent on whether this is actually a new design or a new iteration of the Soyuz. If it's the former, then we're likely looking at yet more Russian vaporware. The latter actually might come to pass.
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Nah, now that DPRK has shown that they can put a satellite in a near-perfect sun-synchronous polar orbit on the second try, there's dick-waving to be done. Just wait, they'll deliver something. Expect to see the Chinese space program accelerate, too.
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...there's dick-waving to be done.
That's my daily affirmation before I wade into the rat race.
Re:I've lost count (Score:4, Interesting)
There is one difference ever since the price of oil approached and then surpassed (for some time) $100 per barrel after 2005 or so: those claims are backed up with money for the first time since the end of the the Soviet Union.
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$100 per barrel after 2005 or so: those claims are backed up with money for the first time since the end of the the Soviet Union.
Claims backed by money that will be embezzled quicker than it can be put to use.
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I've lost count of how many "next generation" the Russians have announced as being "practically ready" or terms amounting to the same thing.
And that's different from NASA how, exactly? It would seem that both countries, for the last 3 decades, have been very big on promises, not so hot on delivery.
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Giant Putin Head (Score:3, Funny)
I'm guessing it's a Giant Putin Head with frickin lasers. Amirite?
Next gen is such a stupid name. (Score:2)
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Hope the Russians name their technology something other than Next Gen Spacecraft.
Actually, that's both a mistranslation and a typo. It's Next GIN Spacecraft (the typo) that uses Vodka as a propellant (the mistranslation).
les miserables (Score:3, Insightful)
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Thankyou, I agree fully, almost any progress is good progress when it comes to space, China blowing stuff up and cluttering up LEO accepted http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6289519.stm [bbc.co.uk] of course.
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Thankyou, I agree fully, almost any progress is good progress when it comes to space, China blowing stuff up and cluttering up LEO accepted http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6289519.stm [bbc.co.uk] of course.
I hope you don't know what that bold word means...
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I was about to build a (fully functional) anti-gravity drive the other day, but I was reminded by someone like you that it does nothing for the hungry in the world. So I abandoned my project and deleted all files.
No Picture :( (Score:1)
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I clicked an there was no picture. Lame!
Lame'
It's about time for Next-Gen! (Score:3)
After all, their current-gen Soyuz capsule and R-7 rocket were designed in the 1950's (by their legendary Chief Designer Korolev)
If the Russians built game consoles, they'd still be running Super NES.
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It's an R-7 family of rockets. Meaning that it's not the same design, but an incremental development of the original design to adapt to new requirements over time. Which is exactly how you do things in real world if you want reliability and no cost overruns.
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The current generation Soyuz (capsule) only dates from 2010 - and bears very little relationship (beyond a a general moldline) with the first Soyuz design... from 1963. The current version Soyuz (booster) only dates from 2001 - and like the capsule, has evolved considerably across the decades.
It might
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