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Is Pluto a Binary Planet? 275

astroengine writes "If the Pluto-Charon system were viewed in a similar way to binary stars and binary asteroids, Pluto would become a Pluto-Charon binary planet. After all, Charon is 12% the mass of Pluto, causing the duo to orbit a barycenter that is located above Pluto's surface. Sadly, in the IAU's haste to define what a planet is in 2006, they missed a golden opportunity to define the planetary binary. Interestingly, if Pluto was a binary planet, last week's discovery of a fifth Plutonian moon would have in fact been the binary's fourth moon to be discovered by Hubble — under the binary definition, Charon wouldn't be classified as a moon at all."
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Is Pluto a Binary Planet?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15, 2012 @06:19PM (#40658607)

    Wouldn't Jupiter need to be a star? Short of us igniting it, I think that is going to be a problem.

  • by starless ( 60879 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @06:46PM (#40658745)

    Why do you call the committee members pseudo-scientists? I'm rather sure everyone has a PhD in astronomy/astrophysics. (I'm technically an IAU member, although I've had little involvement with it.)

  • by spire3661 ( 1038968 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @06:51PM (#40658777) Journal
    Humans fear all change.
  • by Baloroth ( 2370816 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @07:25PM (#40658929)

    To say it "never was a planet" is not quite true. It never was a planet according to the definition of planet that we use now, but it was a planet according to the definition we used to use. If you change the definition, people are going to be confused. It has nothing to do with tradition (except insofar as language is a "tradition"), and everything to do with the alteration of the language. Now, that alteration may be fully scientifically justified and acceptable... but it's still going to annoy people.

    The comparison with the geocentrism is a little faulty. The issue here has very little to do with our knowledge of reality changing (it didn't really), but with the way we look at that reality changing (i.e. the words used for a thing).

    It's not science, it's linguistics. The result is even now what category Pluto falls into can be debated: we could quite easily call it a planet even now, the problem is the definition would be too wide and force us to call things planets not traditionally called planets. So somewhat contrary to your point, a large part of the reason Pluto isn't called a planet anymore is actually tradition: because we don't want to call all the Kuiper belt objects planets also.

  • by TheGoodNamesWereGone ( 1844118 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @07:45PM (#40659051)
    I figured it had something to do with dick-waving. I'm not a professional astronomer, don't play one on TV, but I've had an abiding love for the subject since I was growing up in the 60s. If you use the orbital argument then it makes sense, because Ceres, too was thought to be a planet in 1801 (It accorded nicely with the 'traditional' Bode's Law). It didn't take long for the scientific community to figure out thought, after Vesta, Juno, and other asteroids were found that these were just the largest members of a population of many; we now estimate hundreds of thousands. Likewise the compostional argument works in favor of demotion as well. Working outward we have rocky inner planets, two gas giants, two ice giants, and then a buttload of comparitively very tiny solid icy bodies, that when they get perturbed and wander closer, get called comets. I don't understand the emotion behind the debate. in 1801 the asteroid belt wasn't known, so they called Ceres a planet. In 1930 the Kuiper belt wasn't known, so they called Pluto one. We've learned differently. What's all the fuss?
  • by girlintraining ( 1395911 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @07:53PM (#40659111)

    Astronomical knowledge is evolving quite a bit faster than the rest of the library. I'm not necessarily saying that any IAU decisions are correct but I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with recategorizing. Isn't it that a hallmark of the intelligent?

    No. I can write a computer algorithm to sort something; that doesn't make it intelligent. Anyone can make something more complicated -- true genius is making things simpler.

  • by jythie ( 914043 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @09:38PM (#40659669)
    LInguists would laugh at this, if for no other reason then they change the technical definition not the common one, so your whole complain is a straw man.

    The only reason the Pluto stuff (and the IAU) has gotten so much attention and ranting is that an American discovered Pluto and a bunch of patriots got butthurt that 'europeans' were taking away their thunder.

    When there is ambiguity, professional and standards organizations redefine stuff all the time. This was a pretty routine thing to do and would have gone completely under the radar if nationalism had not come into play and got people fired up. In the end, they couldn't keep Pluto as a 'planet' without including a significant number of other bodies, which would have pissed off people too.

    But like many issues, the original energy behind the backlash has been pretty much lost on the people who continue to push it today....which was part of the point. You can wrap up all sorts of nationalistic bullshit if you tie it into other existing narratives that appeal to the same people... think of the children, elitists forcing things on the public.. plays to the same audience and plays well off even less knowledge of the issue.
  • by osu-neko ( 2604 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @10:22PM (#40659871)

    It's a far cry from the organization's original role: Cataloging astronomical objects.

    Um, no. Deciding upon definitions is an absolutely necessary part of doing precisely that job.

  • by Iskender ( 1040286 ) on Sunday July 15, 2012 @11:50PM (#40660251)

    Likewise the compostional argument works in favor of demotion as well. Working outward we have rocky inner planets, two gas giants, two ice giants, and then a buttload of comparitively very tiny solid icy bodies, that when they get perturbed and wander closer, get called comets. I don't understand the emotion behind the debate.

    The best idea of what to do with the planet definition I've seen so far is to scrap it. Planets are originally things that move about in the sky. Now it's used for something or other because we're not comfortable with the now thousands of planets that exist under the old definition.

    There are several problems with the kinds of planets you mentioned. Currently a planet is (in practice): 1) A rocky round body OR 2) A large gaseous body OR 3) A large gaseous "icy" body. The problem being that if you take a large KBO, Mercury and Jupiter, the two planets certainly will not have the most in common (radii about 1000, 2500 and 69000 km, respectively.) It's possible to build a definition that includes only eight planets, but it will give you a collection of bodies that have nothing else in common.

    The planet definition is temporary in any case since it specifically doesn't apply outside the Sol system. I think the science should really throw it away as far as it can, so that the public can use the word however it wants without science being disturbed, while astronomers could stop playing unnecessary politics.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16, 2012 @02:24AM (#40660719)

    No one knows or cares that an American discovered it. It's about the cultural impact of having Pluto as a planet, then having it taken away by an organization about which nobody hears and for which nobody cares.

  • off-topic (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Tom ( 822 ) on Monday July 16, 2012 @03:43AM (#40660977) Homepage Journal

    What I love about /. is that a topic like this can get almost 200 comments (at the time of this posting).

    Most of my friends, even the geekier ones, would go "uh, ok, so what?". Because today "geek" has become to be limited to computers and that was never the gist of it until recently.

  • by Bigby ( 659157 ) on Monday July 16, 2012 @09:33AM (#40662183)

    The biggest branch of Christianity (Catholicism) does not believe that the Bible is the literal word of God. It is a collection of books written by humans inspired by God. I know there are branches of Christianity where it is literal, but where do you get your information? I worked with an Atheist that thought the same way you describe and specifically about Catholicism.

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