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German Paleontologists Find a 'Near-Perfect' Dinosaur Fossil 99

Posted by timothy
from the aber-nicht-ganz-perfekt dept.
First time accepted submitter howzit writes "German paleontologists have discovered what they believe is the best-preserved dinosaur skeleton ever found. The flesh-eating member of the theropod subgroup, which walked on its hind legs, is about 98 percent complete, and also includes preserved bits of skin. 'The around 135-million-year-old fossil is of outstanding scientific importance.'"
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German Paleontologists Find a 'Near-Perfect' Dinosaur Fossil

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  • How?

    Seriously... how? How could *ANY* amount of skin be preserved for that amount of time?

    Also.... "loaned" to a museum?

    For crying out loud, why? Give it to them, sell it to them, or whatever... but what are you going to do with a 135 million year old dinosaur fossil?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      what are you going to do with a 135 million year old dinosaur fossil?

      Science?

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      People loan such finds to museums rather than donating outright so that they retain some control over how the find is maintained, displayed, and so on. If the museum does a poor job of maintaining the fossil or puts it in some back closet where the public can't see it, one would like to be able to take it back and loan it to a museum that will treat it better.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Plenty of things are loaned out (See what NASA does alot) simply so they retain their rights over the product while still allowing it to be showcased (recognition) or allowed to be further researched. Generally speaking, this is standard practice for stuff like these. The main reason is, that the person maintain control over who gets to see it and where it's located and under what conditions. One example is that instead of a museum owning it and showing it only in 1 city, a person may loan out the bones to

    • by jd (1658)

      They're going to take it to an island off New Zealand and clone it?

      • They're going to take it to an island off New Zealand and clone it?

        They declared it a cultural asset so... the fossil can't leave Germany... so no cloning:-(

        • They declared it a cultural asset

          German culture is very old . . . but THAT old? Old like dinosaurs?

          "Hey, who y'all callin' my kin-folk dinosaurs!?"

          Is it really dinosaur skin that they found? Or dinosaur Lederhosen?

          • Well, it was found in Bavaria after all. Our state's motto could as well be "Get off my lawn!" - so our traditions might be derived in an unbroken chain from a long lost dinosaur high culture... And, by the way, proper Lederhosen are made from deer skin. Dinosaur leather is for tourists and Prussians. Period. Now get off my lawn! (Or, to put it in proper Bavarian - "Schleich Di!")
    • by jasen666 (88727) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @07:09PM (#37806692)

      The "skin" is still fossilized, but you can see the texture and possibly structure of it. It's not preserved in the way you're thinking. Although, they have found some biological matter preserved in the center of large bones before. T-rex bones, I believe.

      A fossil like this is rare and worth a decent amount. Collectors will pay obscene amounts for it, amounts that a museum may not be able to match. So just be happy they loaned it to a museum at all, so at least we can glean some scientific knowledge from it.

      • by Nidi62 (1525137) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @07:32PM (#37806792)

        A fossil like this is rare and worth a decent amount. Collectors will pay obscene amounts for it, amounts that a museum may not be able to match. So just be happy they loaned it to a museum at all, so at least we can glean some scientific knowledge from it.

        Some good news on that front, from the article:

        "The fossil, discovered between one and two years ago, has been registered as a German cultural asset, giving it a status that drastically lowers its monetary worth, but ensures the artefact will remain in the country.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        it's very common for artifacts and pcs of artwork to be on loan to a museum or other institution. Typically they are loaned in perpetuity, for a century( or other long period) or until the owner dies, when commonly the item is willed to the museum, or it is willed to another but only if they agree to leave it with the museum. technically, the person or persons who own the object retain ownership but are not responsible for insuring it or for it's upkeep/ repair, that becomes the responsibility of the muse

      • by snowgirl (978879)

        Although, they have found some biological matter preserved in the center of large bones before. T-rex bones, I believe.

        Not exactly, I don't remember the specifics exactly, but it wasn't soft matter itself. It was either fossilized itself or only the successor chemicals to like hemoglobin or such like that. (There are some YouTube videos that talk about it, probably try C0nc0rdance [youtube.com]). I know this detail because some creationists bring it up as a statement of "oh, well, this stuff breaks up in only a couple thousand years, so obviously the remains couldn't be as old as scientists claim it to be." Don't worry about being misled

      • Do you suppose the skin remnants could give a clue to its original color? The common artistic display usually shows these guys as elephant-grey but who knows.
    • by deets52 (2347216)

      Also.... "loaned" to a museum? For crying out loud, why? Give it to them, sell it to them, or whatever...

      The reason is very simple. If you loan it to them then they can't turn around and sell the parts off to make money (fund raising) or decide its not worth the time and just throw it away or do anything that might destroy it. You will basically not get it back unless they say they no longer want it, then you find another museum who might want it.

  • by Trigger31415 (1912176) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @06:50PM (#37806602)
    Obviously, 'scientific made a msiatke, as Eearth was created in 6000 yrs.
    Source: Conservapedia [conservapedia.com]
    [/irony]
    This post was here to show a type of (unexpected) reaction to this type of news nowadays.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 22, 2011 @07:10PM (#37806694)

      No no no.... the earth wasn't created in 6000 years. It was created in 6 days (7 if you count vacation days). The apparent much greater age arises from the universe being created in an "adult" state so that it would be ready to utilize for the life forms to be placed within, not to deceive the life forms within, but to simply be utilizable. Adam and Eve, for example, were created as fully formed adults, it is ludicrous to think that the universe itself would not be. Because we associate that maturity with actual time passing, we perceive that the earth is much older than it is... so if we believe the universe to be many millions of years old because of how old it appears, we are actually deceiving ourselves - it is not God who deceives us.

    • by Ant P. (974313)

      Are you 12?

    • by Nidi62 (1525137)
      If you're going to troll, at least have the decency to use proper spelling and typing.
      • Why (Score:3, Insightful)

        by publiclurker (952615)
        If you are going to pretend to be a bible banging fool, shouldn't you spell like one also?
      • Sry, I didn't check the message before posting + Eng isn't my native language. Actually, deleting this message would be totally fine with me.
    • by hozozco (856621)
      Thanks for the link - I hadn't heard of the Conservapdeia before. Now I'm not sure whether to laugh or despair for humankind. I'm Australian, so I'll just have beer and ignore it! :-)
    • yeah, hopefully they'll find Fred Flintstone (or one of his neighbours) close by...
    • by ShakaUVM (157947)

      >>Source: Conservapedia

      Sigh. Conservapedia's entire science section should be hauled out behind the barn and shot. They're doing everything they can to reinforce the stereotype of the anti-science conservative (which the a lot aren't, though you'd never know it from the stereotyping that goes on here).

      That said, they tend to be better than Wikipedia on certain topics, such as the history of the Cold War. On wikipedia, consensus dictates that the "Red Scare" had no basis in reality, was nothing but a w

  • by Bemopolis (698691) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @06:51PM (#37806604)
    I hope they found his saddle so the Creation Museum can update their exhibits.
  • by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @06:54PM (#37806620)

    It's a Wolpertinger!

  • by Anonymous Coward

    ... a German satellite fell and broke it to bits... karma sucks!

  • Truly a beautiful find.

  • That's like best educated... IN THE USA.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      Ironic because Europe has some damn-good sites for preserving dinosaur-age animals (Solnhofen limestone of Germany [berkeley.edu]). Also US dominates the world university list...

  • by Statecraftsman (718862) on Saturday October 22, 2011 @10:03PM (#37807464) Homepage
    Some questions the fine article could have answered: * What material was this fossil found in? * Where was it found roughly? * What theories exist for why it was so well preserved?
  • For the young earther crowd to say this is just their God testing them.

    Plus it's already been established that modern humans date back over 100,000 years now. So I'd say that their 6,000 year old earth theory is complete bunk.

    And now, we have evidence of a fossil from 135 Million years ago. It's getting good.
    • by dkf (304284)

      So I'd say that their 6,000 year old earth theory is complete bunk.

      Either that or their "theory of creation" is true, and God's telling everyone a vastly elaborate lie with all those sneaky isotopic ratios and photon distributions in the CMB.

      • by kilodelta (843627)
        Which of course brings up another issue entirely that their God is a deceitful character. You get the idea that he's a very unsavory individual from reading the Old Testament. And if you read the entire text of both the old and new Testaments, you see a definitive change in their God. In essence in the latter God takes back seat to Jesus.

        There is one other thing that irritates me about the religious dominionists/fundamentalists. It's the fact that the vast majority of them have never read the entire tex
  • Theres a cast on loan to our local museum. Only a handful of substitute bones in it.
  • Even 135million years ago, the top 2% received special treatment, ducking out of fossilization.

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