25,000 Danish Hospital Staff Moving To LibreOffice 247
An anonymous reader writes with news that 25,000 staff across 13 hospitals in Denmark will be switching to LibreOffice over the course of the next year.
"The group of hospitals is phasing out a proprietary alternative, 'for long term strategic reasons,' which at the same time saves the group some 40 million Kroner [about $7.7 million] worth of proprietary licenses. The ditching of the proprietary alternative is a consequence of the group's move to virtual desktops, allowing staff members to log in on any PC or thin client. The group found that deploying this new desktop infrastructure would 'trigger unacceptably high costs' for proprietary office licenses... The move is Europe's second largest migration project involving public administrations using an open source office suite."
LibreOffice vs OpenOffice (Score:3, Interesting)
And it's important to notice they asked for LibreOffice, not OpenOffice. The really free version.
Re:LibreOffice vs OpenOffice (Score:4, Insightful)
LibreOffice, not OpenOffice. The really free version
OpenOffice is not free? According to Google [google.com], it is Open Source (and see the new Google Best Guess feature...).
I don't want to be the devil's advocate, but whatever one may think about Oracle, it isn't fair to tell OpenOffice is not free.
Re:LibreOffice vs OpenOffice (Score:4, Informative)
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So really free to software engineers, not to regular people...
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So a fork of a open source project is immediatly magically more free than the original? Thats an interesting vievpoint.
Re:LibreOffice vs OpenOffice (Score:5, Insightful)
Note that LibreOffice added a whole set of packages(go-oo) that were not in OpenOffice due to people being unwilling to assign copyright to Sun. So, yes, by day 1 it was *magically* better and more free(as not all copyrights are owned by the controlling interest, it's nearly impossible to change the license in the future).
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YOU likely neither know nor care about giving Oracle the finger, coward. I bet the guys making these decisions know every bit of them.
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Now that we've established that you're about 14
I think that's a nice example of guilt by association.
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It does seem like Oracle has been gifted with the reverse Midas touch. Where everything it touches turns to shit.
Oracle could probably turn this around. A good way of starting would be to drop all current lawsuits, reduce its legal staff and their costs by about 80%, and turn its attention back to making and supporting software. But I do not think that Oracle is going to do that. Not under its current CEO.
whatever happened to (Score:3, Interesting)
software with a specific goal in mind, why is this medical system ran by excel and nothing else?
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Maybe its not. If you had a large pool of staff who needed to edit the occasional office document (say a doctor who needs to fill out an HR form) then a free office package makes a lot of sense.
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Let's be more clear on this. We are up to 14 versions of M$ Office, so not free once but free fourteen times and, in those upgrades, hardware upgrades forced by software upgrades forced by data incompatibility and add retraining, data conversions. So either make the switch once or pay and pay and pay.
Of course with open applications, the idea of open documents also grows. With many different hospitals sharing generic documents and macros, saving development costs and, easing training requirements, this o
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Microsoft fight tooth and nail against floating licenses. I occasionally need visio at work so I have a $1000 copy of visio installed on my windows box even though at any given time we are using 10% of the licenses we own. The limiting case is the hospital where 99% of what you do is in this purpose built hospital management system (or whatever) but this little corner case hangs around where somebody needs to type up a letter for somebody's doctor or draft a letter of resignation or whatever so they chuck i
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Maybe its not. If you had a large pool of staff who needed to edit the occasional office document (say a doctor who needs to fill out an HR form) then a free office package makes a lot of sense.
If their medical staff are filling out medical or office forms stored in Word format, their IT staff has no idea what they're doing.
I think its stupid too but its the normal way things are done at my workplace.
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Medical forms yes, since a doctor must fill in maybe 50 a day, they come in a limited verity of forms and they need to be centrally archived, this would be the classic use-case of a relational database. Doctors should be using a database to manage records, otherwise information is disorganised and it is very unlikely that the patient would be receiving the same level of care as if they were.
Office forms? Who gives a shit, if the total time wasted on doing it in a word processor is not much more than what
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If the doctors are already used to the medical forms, which for the reasons you state are done in a database driven system, then it makes sense for other less important forms to be done in the same or a similar system. Not much point wasting the doctor's time filling in trivial forms.
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then it makes sense for other less important forms to be done in the same or a similar system.
Really? Does it make sense to have IT create a centrally managed database hosted form to track the Christmas gift exchange? The lotto pool a few nurses and doctors in the maternity ward run? The checklist on who would be at the softball game?
Someone down in receiving is comparing a few shipping quotes... and wants to summarize the information.
Julie and Sally are swapping some shifts because Sally's mom is really si
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Would you like to tell me who, apart from doctors, understand what 'good' treatment actually is? It's not about skill with a scalpel, it's about being ultimately responsible for the welfare of your patient, and therefore understanding clearly where all of the impediments to this happening occurs.
At our hospital we have a 'ring-fenced bed', which is a bed kept empty on a haematological unit, save only for haematological emergencies requiring chemotherapy. Unless the manager understands why a patient with a
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Good treatment, and the ability to keep a bed empty, does not make a person perfect for running an organization the size of modern hospitals.
I think that assuming ONLY doctors can sanely run a hospital is wrong, and is part of why hospitals in Denmark are insanely inefficient.
Now, nowhere did I advocate having beancounters and asskissers and other subsections of MBAs running hospital - only noting that having exclusively medical staff act as managers on all levels is stupid beyond belief.
I should also think
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I agree with what you're saying. The problem here in the UK is that there sadly isn't such a close dialog between the hospital managers and the doctors. Frequently, financial decisions are made which impact badly on patient care, and often finances, too. I think it's pretty paramount that financial decisions are always taken in the light of the clinical requirements. And vice-versa is true, that clinical decisions are taken with an understanding of the financial costs. It's simply not the case doctors
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As opposed to hospitals in the United States that used to be run by doctors but are now run by specialists in Hospital Administration. If you graph things out over the last 60 years, the rise of the role of Hospital Adminstrator parallels the rise of the USA health care crisis.
Gee, perhaps hospitals should not be run for profit; perhaps there should be some other goal for health care.
Just saying.
Re:whatever happened to (Score:4, Insightful)
Except that getting doctors to run hospitals is completely stupid. They are massively more expensive than managers, and when you do medicine at university you tend to learn how to treat people, not run businesses. That's not to say that *appropriate* managers aren't doctors (people such as clinical directors), but if you think that doctors are the best people to decide which printer paper supplier to use, or the logistics company that is responsible for transporting samples around the country, or the million other things that running a multi-million pound business (which is what a hospital is), then you are severely misguided.
Only 3% of NHS staff are managers. That is lower than pretty much any company in the oh-so-efficient private sector. The NHS is also the most efficient healthcare system of seven top industrialised nations: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10375877 [bbc.co.uk]
You, sir, are a right-wing troll. I suggest sticking to facts in your future posts.
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Except that PFI is a right-wing policy. Using vast army of outside consultants is a right-wing policy.
The eye-watering costs and problems of PFI are well documented (for people who don't know, PFI is a scheme whereby a private company buys/builds something like a hospital/school and the leases it to the state. The costs all kept "off-book" so it looks like savings are being made, when in fact the costs are generally double the normal state-funded routess. It also lumbers future generations with massive de
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Hospitals, at least in Denmark, are run by doctors, because supposedly only doctors knows how to run them.
Sounds better than the UK where hospitals are run by managers who have no clue about medicine, waste money on outside consultants/PFI-deals, spunk cash on fat bonuses for the pen-pushers while cutting costs on front-line services and who hound whistle-blowers into the dust.
I think it really depends on the doctors and the hospital's structure. I've worked with doctors who run hospitals very well - they understand it's a business, and no money means no mission of helping people; and know how to control costs and doctors in an effective manner.
I've worked with others where every doctor thinks they are the CEO and wants what they want - so they have different stuff for every doctor because they want *that* specific brand; and everyone wonders why they are losing money but no one
Re:whatever happened to (Score:4, Informative)
I've maintained corporate systems which relied heavily upon specialized software, and virtually none of the employees needed an office suite for the official business functions. Yet they insisted upon using such software to jot down quick notes or make quick calculations. Things that they really could have used calculator or notepad for, but they were more productive using the office suite (if for no other reason than they weren't wasting their and our time complaining about it).
I could easily imagine that being the case here. After all, if the hospitals' operations depended upon that proprietary office suite, it would be a bugger to switch to LibreOffice.
It isn't. (Score:2)
If they were all using MS Office, I'm sure they wouldn't mind paying for it. No, the problem is that they'd have to pay as if everyone was using MS Office, because virtualisation and commercial licensing don't play ball.
From computerworld.dk, my translation:
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If they were all using MS Office, I'm sure they wouldn't mind paying for it. No, the problem is that they'd have to pay as if everyone was using MS Office, because virtualisation and commercial licensing don't play ball.
Funny, that sounds like exactly the sort of clause that is strictly non-negotiable until you're a big enough organisation and you inform the press that you're moving the lot over to a F/OSS alternative.
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An Office suite is needed for witing letters, handover lists, running audits, preparing and giving presentations etc..., but they aren't used that often in hospital by the clinical staff.
Also, at most hospitals, a lot of the clinical software (i.e. for dictated letters or letters stored electronically) is integrated with microsoft office.
This is great news, and I hope it works out for them.
Re:whatever happened to (Score:4, Informative)
That's pretty much what the article says. They have 25,000 computers, currently 10,000 of them have Office since only a subset of the staff have any need of the software. However when changing to virtual desktops, they'd be required to buy another 15,000 licences according to their vendor, so they said fuck no.
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Trivial tasks, like writing short letters, doing simple calculations or viewing documents sent by others (which should have been sent as pdf)... The same thing that probably 99% of users of such software do, which is why the price tags charged by proprietary vendors are so disgusting.
Actually, ideally we need everyone using ODF, and then a selection of applications depending on requirement. Most people would be able to do with a very simple, ultra lightweight application and would probably get on better wit
"Proprietary Office Suite" (Score:3)
Why not just name it? Repeating "proprietary office suite", over and over, just makes the author sound like an fool.
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If you are curious to know which office suite it is, just hang around the it department managers of these hospital. They will likely be taken to dinner by sales drones of that suite for the next 12 months or so :)
Have they fixed spell checking yet? (Score:4, Interesting)
I am NOT trolling. Mod me whichever way you wish, but this is a real issue I had with Open Office that made me gave up on it. To put it simply, when running Open Office on a computer running Windows 7 32bit, the spell check would NOT work.
Here are a few things I remember doing. I tried downloading several versions. I tried installing it both as a regular user AND as administrator. I tried deleting, adding and modifying dictionaries. I tried changing languages between different English variants. I tried changing permissions on executables. I even reinstalled Windows 7. I struggled for almost a week to make it work, reading manual pages and searching forums. In the end I gave up trying to fix it. Now here's the kicker though... I did find a way that would fix the issue temporarily. If I would browse to the install folder of Open Office, right click on swriter.exe and select "run as administrator", the spell check would work. So I know all the executables, java environment and dictionaries were in place, but somehow the permissions were wrong and unfixable.
This happened around September of last year, when I was in the middle of my last year at university and I had a LOT of projects to complete. I had to almost live within SPSS and a word processor. Always using the workaround was a chore I did not need. So I completely gave up on OpenOffice and used my student discounts to buy OpenOffice's main competitor.
I can't figure out what is the real point of this post. I suppose I'm just venting, wishing I could get that week of my life back. Oh yes, and sometimes you really do get what you pay for...
Re:Have they fixed spell checking yet? (Score:5, Informative)
I had this problem and tracked it down to the document not registering the language. The only way I found to consistently fix it was to highlight all the text and then right click in the bottom centre information bar which displays the language - it'll be blank - and select the language of choice! Good luck.
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+1 mod parent up (AC that mentioned selecting a language to enable spell checking, the help specifies that selecting "none" as the language disables spell checking so it's a good general tip)
Oh @c.r.o.c.o (123083)
I'm using Libre Office 3.3 and spell check works perfectly. I'm using XP SP3 32 bit so it's a different OS but it does work.
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Doesn't matter! (Score:2)
Nobody can read what the doctors are writing in shorthand as it is - using computer letters on a screen is only going to improve it! ;)
Re:Have they fixed spell checking yet? (Score:4, Informative)
I think that everybody here knows that submitting OOo bugs is an absolute waste of time. Guess what? You still can't group images properly [openoffice.org], Impress doesn't wrap links [openoffice.org], and to rotate an image in writer you have to open Draw to fix it and then paste it back into writer [openoffice.org]. FFS, Impress froze just then when I tried to create a new presentation to see if link wrapping is finally fixed! I know I should be *fixing* these bugs rather than just complaining about them, but who honestly has the time to familiarise themselves with the massive OOo/Libreoffice code base just to fix something so trivial that it should have been fixed years ago?
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Oh yes. All the time when i hit some really obvious, annoying and simple bug and looked it up to discover it had been there for a long time.
Re:Have they fixed spell checking yet? (Score:4, Informative)
Try reporting it against LibreOffice then, another management, another attitude towards bug reports. It's much more likely that your issue will be fixed, and by the way that's one of the reasons why LibreOffice is a good idea – fixing what's wrong with OpenOffice.org.
A more important reason (Score:5, Insightful)
Dagens Medicin, a news site for local and regional administrations, quotes Thomsen explaining that most of the hospital workers, doctors and nurses, will have little trouble using Libre Office. "Most of them do not need the advanced features of these suites."
More important than thatt, 20 years from now they'll be able to open the documents they create today.
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1991 was 20 years ago. So you'd be looking at documents created in Word for Windows 2.0.
If you want to open those files in Word 2010, you can follow the instructions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922849#w2010
So if your requirement is ability to open files 20 years old, it seems like Microsoft Office does the trick.
OpenOffice/LibreOffice can trace their roots back to StarOffice, and the version avaliable in 1991 was what, StarOffice 1.0?
So the question is: Can Open/LIbreOffice open documents from Sta
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Of course it can (and I've seen it). Only broken programs fail to import material produced by earlier versions.
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LoB
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In 20 years youll end up with a bunch of documents in an obsolete format. Congratulations, you have the source code that wrote them. Now all you will have to do is write you own converter.
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So . . .uh. . . why wouldn't you bet on it? A precedent has been set, but you choose to think that the open alternative will support more backward compatibility. . . why?
Well, for one thing, I'm not just talking about backwards compatibility, I'm talking about being able to open old files in the app they were originally written in. Now, I will concede right now that the latter isn't all that necessary if backwards compatibility is properly maintained and 100%. The only problem I have with 'bettin on it' is that I would genuinely be surprised if by 2030 the equivalent of LibreOffice will be able to properly open a doc I've written in the current version of Word today. I me
The other option - IBM Lotus symphony (Score:3)
While I think this is good news, I wanted to say, generally, that I think IBM Lotus symphony is far better than other OO.org variants. I'm quite amazed that people don't really seem to consider it. If you've not tried it, you really should. It was also recently donated to the Apache foundation. But the most important think, I think is that it's actually the first office suite I've used in a long time that feels like it offers a compelling alternative to MA office, not only that it is as good where it masters, but that it is actually better in some regards.
I wish they'd get it out as the default in big distros, actually.
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What's good about Symphony? Last I checked, OO version that it is based on has been consistently lagging one major release before the mainline - and therefore all the recent improvements, bugfixes etc are simply not there. Other than weirdish UI, what else does it add?
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What I like about it is the more modern UI. The tabbed look it has is a metaphor I think a lot of people would get. I also think that the subtle blue colour works well compared to the dated grey-brown that we have in Libre office. The icons also have a nicer look to them, though I don't know if this is just an effect of the generally higher level of polish.
But don't think that these are trivial things. They matter both for how many people will use it, but also for productivity. It's important to have someth
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In part yes, it's got the same underlying base anyway, so it's akin to saying that there is something "funny"about wanting a bedroom in a color you like- hey, all room do basicaly the same thing, right?
If I'm going to spend thousands of hours looking at it, you bet I want it to look good.this is what open source software designers need to understand if they want to compete in todays market
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No, this is merely pointing out that the other big manufacturers of shovels have versions which work, but also have sequins on them, and they outsell this brand by so many to one it's not even funny.
Some people might not care about market share, but to the extent we want big companies tosupport linux, we need them tosupport the office suites we use. For that we need market share, and for that we need a compelling product.
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Great Design can have a huge impact on product success. Look at Apple. A bit of nice design and 'marketing like there's no tomorrow', and they are valued more than Exxon. Bad design can drive your customers to the competition
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The MS move to the Ribbon was what got my business to switch to OO.o 100% about 3 years ago.
Everyone was much happier with the OO.o interface. Everything is in logical menus and they don't have to go searching through 7 different tabs of buttons to try to find the one pictured, not described, button that MIGHT do what they want it to do, only to realize that the default ribbon doesn't have the button they're looking for shown and they have to add it in manually.
Honestly, there is no worse user experience th
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This is far more important that it seems: (Score:2)
Denmark is very Microsoft oriented, our former prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen even visited Steve Ballmer in Redmond.
A move away from Microsoft product is very hard, the usual management argument is either: "Worlds biggest software company surely must have the best product!" or "Worlds most sold Office package must be best!" combined with the fact that nearly every business uses either Dynamics AXA or Dynamics NAV (or some former versions of those two) makes any changes next to impossible.
This is btw.
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LibreOffice vs. OpenOffice (seriously) (Score:2)
What's really the actual difference for an office worker?
Granted, on Ubuntu going forward, I guess it's going to be Libre. But what if you're downloading it for Windows?
And should you or should you not get the version with Java?
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Re:Stroking a blow! (Score:4, Insightful)
Come for the beer; stay for the freedom.
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BMO
calmly (Score:3)
Compare the focus of http://www.godmad.dk/ [godmad.dk] with http://www.isgodmad.com/ [isgodmad.com] and you'll that the Danish takes thing more calmly.
Re:Stroking a blow! (Score:5, Insightful)
Now what the Libre Office guys need to do is wander up to them and say, "You're saving 40 million Kroner in licensing fees. But is there anything in LO that doesn't meet your standards? Because for a tiny fraction of those savings we'd be happy to fix the problem right away."
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When your entire company will operate without MS Office i would have to say that this issue is not going to come up for general staff. (LO uses odf not doc.)
I would think .odf's features would already be implemented in MSO so converting for external use is not terrible.
Im calling you a 'M$ Ninja![!!!]' for trying to convince everyone that this is actually an issue with no simple work around.
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Not only that, but if they do need to show a document to some other party, just export it to PDF.
Re:Stroking a blow! (Score:4, Informative)
while, big business can use emacs, for what it's worth, hospitals in denmark, probably need an easy way to produce odf, as it's official standard for denmarks government bodies and lot of documentation flow for hospitals is with government.
libre office does that, so they can cut expenses on software rather than, say patient care or staff salary.
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"...and big businesses..."
Never saw a big business sitting in an emergency room.
If they want to sell something to the hospital, I bet they'll be able to open _any_ document from their clients-to-be.
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So you are telling me there are NO insurance companies in Denmark? No claims, no adjusters, nobody to interact with but the government? Must be candyland to have everything work without a single interaction with the outside world.
odf is the Danish government standard for documents, when a company wants to communicate with government entities using a Word Processor format (that's not the same as a document like pdf) then they can comply with the law of the land.
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Using Excel or any spreadsheet for anything but prototyping or throwaway calculations is insanity anyway. A friend of mine was dealing with cleaning up mess in multibillion USD corporations where all of financial data reconciliation was done using spreadsheets. It's not the right tool for this job.
If your business critical workflow includes clicking in spreadsheets, you're doing it wrong, most of the time.
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Forgot to add: obviously this applies whether the spreadsheet is Excel, Gnumeric or OO.org Calc.
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"Fuck the free market?" No. It's the government saying "all correspondence must be in format X." That's pretty much how things have worked since the dawn of bureaucracy.
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I would say the opposite is true. They are saying "GO FREE MARKET!", because anyone can make an odf format document. Your problem is right there, the "Excel" sheet should be a spreadsheet one happens to use in Excel. Not to mention that if you are doing more then reports in Excel, you have a bigger problem.
Any company, any of those in a supply chain is free to move to any company they wish that can use an open format. Someone has to make standards, and unfortunately, sometimes it starts with the government.
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It looks like they are single payer.
Re:Stroking a blow! (Score:4, Insightful)
ODF is an ISO standard (ISO/IEC 26300:2006). Of course governments are going to use it! It's not the government controlling the free market.
Microsoft can happily make a word processor that reads and writes ISO/IEC 26300:2006 and compete. Unfortunately they thought it more easier simply to bribe the ISO committee into making their own proprietary format an ISO standard. Something that has never happened to ISO before. In cases of document formats it's the free market corrupting the system and forcing minor players out of the market.
Re:Stroking a blow! (Score:5, Informative)
On the other hand, ODF is the only approved editable format for use by the Danish government (citation: http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/it-strategy/2010/02/02/denmark-adopts-odf-and-pdfa-40016263/ [zdnet.co.uk]) in which case your compatibility will actually be better with LO than with MSO.
Remember these are Danish hospitals, in a country with state funded healthcare... ODF and PDF is what they require compatibility with, not any proprietary garbage... It is actually businesses using MSO who will be at a disadvantage when trying to do business with the government, because MS has extremely half-assed ODF support. So you have the situation backwards, the cost of MSO + the cost of dealing with its poor compatibility with everything else, vs the cost of LO.
Also the article mentions they are using a virtual desktop infrastructure, whereby they log in on a dumb terminal and a VM server somewhere fires up a desktop image for them and exports the display to their terminal. Now if you consider their requirements, any of those users who don't require any proprietary windows software can be given a linux image with the same software, thus saving the hospital the cost of windows licenses too.
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Is MSO's export to ODF any better than its export to HTML was, back at the turn of the century? For that matter, can today's MSO produce HTML that can be edited and maintained?
I cannot answer that since I moved all my document production to Star Office at the end of the last century, then OpenOffice, now LibreOffice. The experience of moving out of the Microsoft ecology into the realm of native ODF tools has been one of freedom, and most notably freedom from hidden constraints.
Microsoft has often released
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It's not an insurmountable obstacle. Perhaps they'll use some of their $7M savings to pay for a bunch of patches.
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Except if you're a foreigner. Closet fascists...
Freedom isn't free. (Score:3)
I hope that they're going to use SOME of that savings to hire a programmer or two to help improve LibreOffice. In Denmark, of course. Might as well keep the work local and focus on local requirements.
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Here in the UK, the National Health Service ditched an enterprise-wide agreement for MS Office ; a back-of-envelope calculation suggests it must have been worth around $100M a year - imagine what could be developed for LibreOffice for only a fraction of this.
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There are a lot of ways other than code development for contributing to a FOSS project.
What would be great is if the Danes would contribute the written end user procedures they need to develop anyway to the LO project, under a FOSS copyright license so that the procedures can be adopted and modified as needed by other LO users. Adding to a public how-to library would be a major way of contributing back to the LO community.
Bonus points if the Danes spend a little of what they have saved in licensing fees t
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The funny part in this all is that at the end it is
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Often those businesses with heavy reliance on Excel and Word macros have a scattering of secretaries and low level functionaries who basically set their own hours and pick and choose which tasks they will deign to take on while everyone looks the other way. Because each one of them is the only one who developed some pet MSO project that the department now depends on, and each one is the only one who can maintain the gawdawful sucker. IT might be willing to replace it with something that is properly designed
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That's precisely how NOT to use Excel, even though many people think it's fine and dandy. It's a road to hell in terms of stability of data. I'd take a standalone VB6 application any day over something that tries to do the same thing but crams a spreadsheet somewhere in there just so people don't have to "carry executables around". Yeah sure.
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I've seen more people forced to migrate from MSO 2003 to 2007/2010 that like LO better because it's more familiar and faster to use.
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If that fails they will call in the State Dept.
Words will be had with the gov and a list of troublemakers presented. People who pushed for 'free' will get new jobs, be offered packages or new safe positions well away from the stress of buying software.
A new cost saving deal will done the new staff and US exports will be safe again.
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A new cost saving deal will done the new staff and US exports will be safe again.
I think that's what happened in Germany, when their foreign office dropped Linux. It was working rather well, but words were had and the experiment dropped.
(There was also a political shift to a party that favoured the profits of their friends in business over the costs borne by the people).
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Have you ever tried using "business software", especially from a large vendor? Most of it is pretty crap and the employees hate it, but they don't get a choice and are forced to use it.
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It's not that completely different - It's pretty obvious from the MOO-XML standards that the MS Office .***x formats are just an XML serialization of the existing binary formats. This does make it sufficiently similar to ODF to fool the technically naive though - hey, they're both a ZIP file full of XML, right?
The real "open" part of ODF is clarity. MOO-XML is 6000 pages long and extremely unclear. ODF is sufficiently clear that there are at least 2 open-source implementations of it.
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I think you'll find that "GIMP" is far, far worse.
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LoB
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Just by using it they're supporting it. They bring legitimacy to LibreOffice that OOo's been trying to achieve since its inception. All those managers who scoffed at the idea of using non-MS Office software because "it's not Microsoft, and in business everyone uses Microsoft" will take pause. When they need to trim the budget, they may remember reading some story about saving millions by going with LibreOffice. They may talk about it with their golf buddies.
Every large business that relies on LibreOffice is