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Canada Explores New Frontiers In Astroinformatics 39

An anonymous reader writes "The number of scientific instruments available to astronomy researchers for gathering data has grown significantly in recent years, leading to unprecedented amounts of information that requires vast storage and processing capabilities. Canadian researchers are finding a way around this problem (PDF) with a new solution that combines the best of grid and cloud computing, allowing them to more efficiently reach their research goals."
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Canada Explores New Frontiers In Astroinformatics

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  • Science informatics. (Now with 30% more science!)
  • "Well, Gromit, that sounds like A Grand Day Out! Whoops! The grid and the cloud have The Wrong Trousers!"

    • by treeves ( 963993 )

      Favorite part in all those films: shot of Gromit reading a book entitled "Electronics for Dogs".
      What does it have to do with this story though?

  • Does this solution scale up well enough to meet the enormous storage and bandwidth demands of porn?
    • by iONiUM ( 530420 )

      Yes.

      • Well then, I must really give a hand to our friends North of the border! (Just one hand, mind you, the other one is busy...)
    • The "enormous storage and bandwidth demands of porn" are manageable situations.

      The enormous discharge of porn -- that's a real problem.

    • The data challenges in astrophysics over the next 10 years are, together with particle physics (LHC/CERN), one of the few fields that might compare to the needs of porn.

      For example, I'm working on LOFAR, we currently have a data rate of just over 200 Gbit/s and could be going as high as 1440 Gbit/s in the next couple of years. This is not just for a few seconds, like most particle experiments, but this will be 24/7 from March 2011. Our archive will store only scientific results, but still about 5 PB a year.

  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Monday January 17, 2011 @06:18PM (#34909626) Journal

    THIS is a good use for "cloud" computing. Doing something that desktop computers or even individual large scale computers can't do on their own. A much more legitimate use than storing your documents and family photos on servers that belong to companies that may or may not honour their promises.

    "cloud" is still just an irritating buzzword though.

    • In my experience neither GRID nor Cloud computing is a good fit for these things, mostly because the data handling is very bandwidth/storage intensive and requires usually a very specialized software stack.

      On a generic GRID or Cloud solution these are usually not available or easy to install/run/debug.

      We are trying to get our data and software on GRID and Cloud solutions because it would indeed help us in processing our data, but it's been a real struggle and until now with only limited success.

      • by syousef ( 465911 )

        In my experience neither GRID nor Cloud computing is a good fit for these things, mostly because the data handling is very bandwidth/storage intensive and requires usually a very specialized software stack.

        On a generic GRID or Cloud solution these are usually not available or easy to install/run/debug.

        It doesn't have to be that way.
        http://skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]
        http://nebula.nasa.gov/ [nasa.gov]

    • THIS is a good use for "cloud" computing

      I'd have thought that was a little beneath astrophysics.

    • by wwphx ( 225607 )
      The problem, in addition to volume, is bandwidth. At my wife's observatory, Apache Point, one of the telescopes is the Sloan Digital Sky Survey 2.5 meter. When it's operating in certain modes, it's streaming data to seven or eight DAT drives in parallel (don't ask me what model, but it's a whomping volume of data). They complete a night, then ship the tapes off to another site for analysis.

      Considering how rural most observatories are, I don't see how they could have enough bandwidth to stream that amo
  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Monday January 17, 2011 @07:12PM (#34910128)

    Well I guess they could have used the term "Astrometrics" but Seven (of Nine) had patented that already...

  • familiar as they are with large mostly empty frigidly cold spaces

  • OK I know no one read the article so I thought I would point out it a bit funny that the summary either cleverly or accidentally made a good pun on "PDF" (One being Portable Document Format and the other Probability Density Function):

    "Canadian researchers are finding a way around this problem (PDF) with a new solution that combines the best of grid and cloud computing, allowing them to more efficiently reach their research goals.""

    AND

    "However, much more useful than a single scalar-valued redshift, is the a

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