Why Geim Never Patented Graphene 325
gbrumfiel writes "As we discussed on Tuesday, Andre Geim won this year's Nobel prize in physics for graphene, but he never patented it. In an interview with Nature News, he explains why: 'We considered patenting; we prepared a patent and it was nearly filed. Then I had an interaction with a big, multinational electronics company. I approached a guy at a conference and said, "We've got this patent coming up, would you be interested in sponsoring it over the years?" It's quite expensive to keep a patent alive for 20 years. The guy told me, "We are looking at graphene, and it might have a future in the long term. If after ten years we find it's really as good as it promises, we will put a hundred patent lawyers on it to write a hundred patents a day, and you will spend the rest of your life, and the gross domestic product of your little island, suing us." That's a direct quote.'"
Name and Shame. (Score:5, Interesting)
He could at least have mentioned which "big, multinational electronics company" he spoke with.
And that's why, my friends, patents are evil. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:But if he doesn't patent it... (Score:5, Interesting)
That's how patents work in biotech. First you find a gene, then you immediately patent it - don't worry about figureing out what it does, because if you delay to do that a competitor might file first. Then you figure out what it does, and then you patent every possible application just to be safe. Commercial biotech research is basically driven by patents, but it can get extremally aggressive.
it's not in public domain? (Score:3, Interesting)
isn't his research funded by public money?
Geim also won the Ig Nobel (Score:5, Interesting)
The interviewer probably didn't know that Dr. Geim won the Ig Nobel [improbable.com] for levitating a frog.
Between that and the fact that he cited saving taxpayer's money as a reason behind not filing a patent and his Friday experiments (which led to the scotch-tape on graphite) discovery, I think I have a new hero.
Re:Patents help the little guy (Score:4, Interesting)
They do help a little. I have a number of friends involved in startups and the patents they own are valuable, but they are not everything. As with all things in life if the big guy wants something they'll find a way to get it.
IME if you have done a startup (e.g. electronics company) then you have three things of value:
1) Your customer: lets say you have interest (but not sales) from a large company A and another large company B wants to sell to A. By buying you if they can get a foot in the door to company A that would be worthwhile.
2) Your employees: startups tend to attract the bright go-getters - often useful to infuse a big old company
3) Your IP, the code and the patents, although given the fact that the big company can out compete you in terms of bruteforce coding then once they know what you are up to, which if you have come onto their radar they will do; then once you have proved your technology then you have a very short window in which to get bought before this last item becomes worthless because they can set 100 monkeys onto the job.
I've seen on a number of occasions the patents protect the small startup, but only as far as the demonstration of the specific technology they have developed.
Re:Name and Shame. (Score:4, Interesting)
My first guess was actually Intel. The "little island" comment lead me to think that the executive had mixed up the UK and Ireland (Intel have a big plant in Ireland). Then again, I wouldn't put it past the executive of any major US company to use the a pejorative like "little island" when referring to the UK. UK-ians need to learn to stop speaking American.
Re:But if he doesn't patent it... (Score:5, Interesting)
The problem is that it takes less than those 5 engineers to get a crap patent into the system in the first place. When the cost of entry is lower than the cost of removal, the system is going to tend to fill up with crap.
Now, if there was a fine levied against those that had their patents invalidated......
We have another option. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I give up - hwat is the diff between UK, GB and (Score:3, Interesting)
Why doesn't "Great Britain" *geographically* encompass Wales, also - isn't it all one island? If GB is the name for the island, as opposed to any of the political entities that share the island, isn't Wales also part of that island?
Re:But if he doesn't patent it... (Score:3, Interesting)
This is exactly why the poster child for bad patents, Amazon's 1-click purchase (i.e. no confirmation) is a terrible example of a bad patent. It's quite an awesome one.
I came from that era, and earlier. No programmer in their right mind would ever do something so stupid as to let a book get bought and shipped by one click -- "What if the guy accidentally clicked it? There should be a confirming dialog!"
Bezos say no.