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Armstrong, Cernan Testify Against Obama Space Plan 411

MarkWhittington submitted a story about the first man to walk on the moon testifying yesterday that President Barack Obama's plans to revamp the human space program would cede America's longtime leadership in space to other nations.
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Armstrong, Cernan Testify Against Obama Space Plan

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  • Buzz Aldrin (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:42PM (#32196168)

    Buzz Aldrin disagrees.

  • Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Yaos ( 804128 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:51PM (#32196320)
    He's not killing NASA, he's increased their budget by quite a bit.
  • ASTRONAUT FIGHT! (Score:5, Informative)

    by buback ( 144189 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:53PM (#32196348)

    Buzz Aldrin disagrees

    Neil Armstrong Vs. Buzz Aldrin Over Obama's Space Plans
    CBSNews URL: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002451-503544.html [cbsnews.com]

    Who do you think would win in a fight, Buzz Ald(I won't even finish the question)

  • Re:So... (Score:5, Informative)

    by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:53PM (#32196362) Journal

    Obama didn't kill NASA, he killed Ares which from what I've seen, wasn't going very well. It's sad that 40 years after we got to the moon the first time, we haven't made much progress in developing a good vehicle to return. Not that the moon is really where we should be going at this point. The asteroids and Mars are better targets due to their long term potential to fuel space based industry and such. NASA needs to go a different direction than it was if we are to have any progress. NASA should be focusing on operations farther out from Earth like Mars, the asteroids etc not a taxi service to LEO.

  • Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Spazztastic ( 814296 ) <spazztastic&gmail,com> on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:54PM (#32196392)

    He's not killing NASA, he's increased their budget by quite a bit.

    He's only killing NASA's next shuttle plan (and the plan to go to Mars), something they had been working on since their current one began falling apart and proving to be obsolete. FTFA:

    Neil Armstrong has renewed his criticism of Barack Obama's space vision, insisting that the president's decision to scrap Constellation and head off to Mars was "poorly advised".

  • Re:So... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Tumbleweed ( 3706 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @01:57PM (#32196466)

    Of all the things that Obama is doing, am I the only one who feels that him killing NASA really struck a nerve? It's literally the only thing he's done that made my blood boil.

    'Killing NASA'? You know what makes my blood boil over this is people who act like they know what they're talking about. Obama has not 'killed NASA' - he's increased their budget. One thing he HAS done is killed a ridiculous program started by Bush. While I'm not a big fan of Obama's support for NASA in general, Constellation was a badly-planned program from the get-go. It's unfortunate that Ares was kept, but that would've been a political nightmare due to the number of lost jobs.

  • Re:So... (Score:5, Informative)

    by gyrogeerloose ( 849181 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @02:01PM (#32196532) Journal

    Of all the things that Obama is doing, am I the only one who feels that him killing NASA really struck a nerve? It's literally the only thing he's done that made my blood boil.

    He's not killing NASA. Far from it, in fact. From TFA:

    Mr. Obama is actually proposing to increase NASA's budget, but he wants to terminate the $108 billion Constellation project, which the United States has already spent more than $10 billion on. Instead, the administration wants to outsource many of NASA's current manned exploration programs to private spaceships and focus on developing a new heavy-lift rocket for eventual manned flights to a variety of deep space targets, ultimately including Mars.

    Obama just wants to terminate one particular project that he feels is going nowhere and has become a money sink. You may disagree with his decision but it's still not "killing NASA."

  • by Larson2042 ( 1640785 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @02:01PM (#32196540)
    Constellation would have done more to kill NASA than anything in Obama's new plan. Constellation was already over budget and behind schedule. If a fully developed Ares rocket had been dropped in NASA's lap, it wouldn't have been able to afford to operate it. So what do you think the next admin would do with NASA if it had been allowed to continue, accumulating delays and going further and further over budget?

    The new plan is the best chance NASA has had in a long time to get back on its feet and stop languishing in LEO. Developing the higher technology needed to go beyond LEO and the moon is what NASA should be concentrating on. Let commercial companies deliver stuff to ISS and LEO.

    (One a side note, it seems to me that almost everyone who hates Obama's plan forgets that there would have been just as long, if not longer, gap in US human spaceflight ability WITH constellation. We're not exactly losing a whole lot by giving commercial companies time to produce their human ferrying ability, as opposed to giving NASA time to work on Ares-1)

    With NASA buying rides at a few tens of millions each vs. billion+ per launch [wikipedia.org] there will be a lot more money for accomplishing things besides putting stuff into orbit on a rocket with a NASA logo on it.

    So I'm all for the new plan. My biggest worry is that congress will screw up the whole thing trying to protect their pork.
  • by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @02:16PM (#32196862) Homepage

    If someone landed on the moon and found no evidence, it would mean that either
    a) they were looking in the wrong spot or
    b) somebody beat them to it without anyone knowing and stole the evidence that has already been seen by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and other countries' observations, or
    c) something even weirder happened to the landing sites, possibly involving aliens, wormholes, and time paradoxes.

    Seriously. The idea that there is no direct evidence of the moon landings and we can't be sure they happened until more people land on it is re-tard-ed.

  • Re:NASA needs to go (Score:4, Informative)

    by gestalt_n_pepper ( 991155 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @02:27PM (#32197074)

    Good point. My apologies to Mr. Gagarin.

  • by je ne sais quoi ( 987177 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @02:52PM (#32197592)

    What is it with this administration that everyone who disagrees is a racist?

    The GP was a troll, crafting a fake "liberal" outrage in order to evoke precisely your emotional response. Congratulations, you and the person who modded you insightful bought it hook, line and sinker. You need to stop watching Fox News because this administration has not once called anyone who disagrees with it a racist. Some people have actually said a lot of the criticism of the adminstration is racist in origin, but I can't see how you seem to think it's fair to criticize the adminstration for something other people said. The only person I can recall that called anybody a racist is Glenn Beck [msn.com].

  • Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Shimmer ( 3036 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @03:20PM (#32198118) Journal

    Ronald Reagan - you mean that guy who raised the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion? [wikipedia.org]

  • Re:So... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 13, 2010 @06:46PM (#32201392)

    ....and for our 3 trillion dollars we avoided a nuclear confrontation with the USSR and still managed to win a war with them that had been playing out for the last 50 years.

  • Re:So... (Score:3, Informative)

    by GlassHeart ( 579618 ) on Thursday May 13, 2010 @07:16PM (#32201764) Journal

    I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    Starting this year, insurance companies would be barred from denying coverage to children because of pre-existing conditions. Effective when the bill is signed, they will also be prevented from placing lifetime caps on policies, or from dropping a patient's insurance if he or she gets sick.

    In the next three months, "high risk pools" will be established for those who who have pre-existing conditions, to provide safeguards until all the provisions are fully enacted.

    Also this year, insurance companies would be required to cover preventive services, which includes such medical procedures as vaccines that are recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    By 2014, insurance companies will be prohibited from denying coverage to adult patients with pre-existing medical conditions or charging them more because of these conditions.

    In a move that has made many college students and young Americans happy, the health care bill allows parents to keep their children on their insurance plan until the age of 26. That provision takes effect this year.

    - ABC World News [go.com]

  • Re:NASA needs to go (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 13, 2010 @09:17PM (#32202756)

    Wow, none of the items in your list are practical, profitable or useful.

    Space based power? Really? How about no? [wordpress.com] You can just use those deserts we have lying around on Earth.

    Zero G industries? Are you nuts? What would you put in space? What could possibly be worth the 12000$ a pound to get up there? For that money, you can use advanced computer modelling to achieve the same effects you want, on Earth. That's what we do. That's why we've never, ever stopped a project anywhere on Earth because of a lack of zero-G (you *do* know that in orbit, G pretty much still equals 9.8m/s^2, right?) produced materials. There's simply no such project.

    Low grav hospitals? That's so deluded and crazy I'm reeling. I know you Space Nutters are barely coherent, but that's a new one. Yeah, there's just so many problems with gravity in hospitals! Stupid tools and liquids falling on the ground! Have you read Neuromancer lately and thought it was a documentary? Are you insane? Astronauts are pretty much the most fit and trained people on Earth to go up in their tins cans, and you want to send sick people? Did your parents send you out to play without a helmet?

    Satellite based internet? Are you on CRACK!? What advantage could you possibly get from an expensive, laggy and equipment-hungry technology when spinning hair-thin glass (on Earth, not in space! Imagine that!) gets you cheap, fast and affordable fiber optics right here?

    You are INSANE. Dangerously deluded, out of touch and resistant to reality and facts, I dub thee Space Nutter extraordinaire!

    Now go back to your Gerard K O'Neill posters and your Krafft Ehricke Worship Society meetings. I got stuff to do on Earth. You know, "reality"?

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