## Millennium Prize Awarded For Perelman's Poincaré Proof 117

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epee1221 writes

*"The Clay Mathematics Institute has announced its acceptance of Dr. Grigori Perelman's proof of the Poincaré conjecture and awarded the first Millennium Prize. Poincaré questioned whether there exists a method for determining whether a three-dimensional manifold is a spherical: is there a 3-manifold not homologous to the 3-sphere in which any loop can be gradually shrunk to a single point? The Poincaré conjecture is that there is no such 3-manifold, i.e. any boundless 3-manifold in which the condition holds is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere. A sketch of the proof using language intended for the lay reader is available at Wikipedia."*
## Re:I'm amazed. (Score:4, Funny)

Yeah, Perelman thinks he's so smart. Feh.

Math ain't rocket science.

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It's engineering.

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## Well, sure (Score:2, Funny)

Look, if you're going to use Ricci Flow to complete the proof, we all might as well pack up and go home. It's like the cheat code for all these manifold questions.

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## Some background (Score:5, Informative)

This wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] covers some controversies following the article.

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I also see a headline from June 2006, "Chinese Mathematicians Prove Poincare Conjecture," but the link is broken.

## Bread and Cheese (Score:3, Funny)

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I hope Perelman will be able to afford better food than bread and cheese now.

Indeed. it's all "pain et fromage" from now on.

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Given his personality, I think he'll rather appreciate the fact that he can afford

morebread and cheese now.## Re: (Score:1)

What Millennium are we talking about here? Its now 2010, 9 years after the start of the new Millennium.

Just in case that wasn't a joke:

http://www.claymath.org/millennium/ [claymath.org]

The challenge was set in 2000

## What does he win? (Score:3, Informative)

Since neither the summary nor either article tell you what the guy wins, (almost like it's a secret), here's a wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] that does.

It's a million dollars.

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So, I can't even say "If he's so smart, why ain't he rich"?

Shit.

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These days, it seems you need a million dollars just to get by...

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- "How did you know my account numbers?"

- "That's the same code I use on my luggage!"

Please, delete as appropriate.

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## Great news (Score:5, Informative)

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I am very happy that they have awarded the price only to him, although he did meet the requirement that the proof should be published in a peer-reviewed journal. I am very happy that they did not included those two Chinese guys who did write down the proof (about 260 pages) and claimed that they had proven the conjecture. Perelman was very upset by this especially that other mathematics did not raise their voice. I hope that Perelman will accept the price. He said (some years ago) that he would only decide when the offer was made, if he would except the price or not.

So, you're saying that for Perelman, The Prize is Right?

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## Whatever... (Score:2, Interesting)

It's not like wants the money or anything. He should at least take it and form a scholarship in his name. Jeez, the man is like a ./er, he lives with his mother.

## So will he accept? (Score:5, Informative)

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Has anyone had a hard answer as to why he turned down the prizes and medals? The author of "Perfect Rigor" seemed to think that Perelman thought the Fields Medal was beneath him. I don't think hiding away from society did him any good, especially if he's expecting other people to defend him when he seems not willing to do so himself.

## Re:So will he accept? (Score:5, Insightful)

Has anyone had a hard answer as to why he turned down the prizes and medals?

What his friends have said is he believes actually proving it is reward enough. It's like being the first person to land on the moon, and someone gives you a "you landed on the moon" prize.

Still, a million dollars is something that can give you a lot of freedom. Turning it down is something that he might regret later.

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He does not want to be defended. As far as I read the controversy, he does not want to

fightat all, because he (quite rightfully, imO) thinks that science should not be fought over.Criticism is useful. Politics (Yau, you asshole!) is not.

## Re:So will he accept? (Score:5, Insightful)

recognitionfor solving the problem. This was more important than the fields medal! What he got instead, was Yau and his cohorts claiming to have "really solved it." In Perelman's mind, political play such as this has no place in mathematics! Worse, his peers were not standing up to a) condemn this behaviour, and b) defend his paper. I think an important missing piece was that Perelman had not been officially recognized as having solved the Poincare conjecture. Now that this had been rectified, perhaps the world will be in enough order for him to rejoin it.## Re: (Score:2)

To reject something like that, because you don't care or think it's pointless comes across a whole lot like arrogance, especially worded as he apparently did.

Why not go along with it? There would be zero harm in graciously accepting it and presenting the viewpoint more tactfully.

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He is not a native speaker of English. He might have mistranslated his thoughts.

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Was not aware of that nuance, thanks.

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Actually, I'd say it isn't even a linguistic but a cultural problem. The New Yorker employed a Russian guy to explain his reasoning; he is a sort of Russian hermit. Imagine if Tolstoy went up against a person like Yau. I think there would be mutual disgust and bad feeling towards the literary community at large. Such a thing probably happened here.

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It would appear I need to read more in detail about the whole situation

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Why not go along with? How about "moral stance"? Or if that's too abstract, how about this: the man is a bona fides genius. If anyone's got the right to ignore fatuous platitudes, I think his intellectual accomplishment confers the privilege. The better question is this: why do you think everyone needs to conform to your notion of "graciousness"?

Perhaps this was not your intent, but you come across as that annoying neighborhood old lady that wants to see to it that everyone "conform", and gossips behind

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Generally speaking I don't feel like anyone has a right to be insulting or belittling when it costs nothing to be otherwise; this was how the phrase in the OP's comment came across.

THAT SAID, I've read up more about the whole situation and clearly didn't have much of a grasp of the background when I made the above comment, so forget I said anything.

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It's so very embarrassing when one goes for the throat, and realizes not only was it an overreaction, the throat belongs to a better man.

I shouldn't have attacked like that. I apologize. Thank you for being so controlled in your response. I will debate better henceforth.

(And I agree, generally it's not ok to be rude. I have a math background so this whole melodrama stirred some ugly feelings.)

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I shouldn't have attacked like that. I apologize. Thank you for being so controlled in your response. I will debate better henceforth.

Wow. Thanks, guys (or possibly girls [but who are we kidding?]). I don't mean that sarcastically. Every time I read a comment online, my faith in humanity dips a little lower, but I do appreciate the civilized discourse. It's just not very often someone's response to a counter-argument is, "Yeah, I guess you're right. Sorry." I guess Obama does it every now and then, but there's plenty of political posturing involved. I should probably pay less attention to politics. Maybe mathematics, too.

In fact t

## Re:So will he accept? (Score:5, Interesting)

Annals of Mathematic: Manifold Destiny [newyorker.com]

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Obviously, the question will he or will not cannot be answered this minute.

What could be answered is the question of what will be more surprising: if he will accept or if he will not.

I personally think that him accepting it would be more surprising for me.

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From what I have read around here he did not reject Fields Medal. Since they never formally offered it to him. Or did they?

"We will give it to you if you take it" is just BS.

One more point to Perelman.

## English Please (Score:4, Insightful)

Could someone give us non-math geeks an explaination of this that does not include the following words: manifold homologous homeomorphic?

i'll read the wiki page too, but i'm hoping someone here will take a crack at explaining in it plain English.

Also: What does this mean? What are the applications? Not that it has to have any to be interesting.

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Maybe read the second sentence of my post? Or read the post at all before replying to it? Maybe use question marks to mark questions, not childish, unhelpful snark?

## Re:English Please (Score:4, Informative)

Manifold = a surface created by taking pieces of paper and warping them. For example, cylinder is a manifold since it can be formed by attaching the two opposite sides of the paper to each other. If you then attach the two circles at the ends of the cylinder, you get a torus (ie. donut).

Homeomorphic = there's a continuous function mapping points from one object to the other. This means that if two points are close to each other in the first object, they will be close together when the homeomorphism (the function) is used to map the points onto the second object. A square and the surface of a sphere, for example, are not homeomorphic since the square has edges and the sphere doesn't, so the mapping function has to jump somewhere, making it not continuous. Generally, two shapes are homeomorphic if you can deform one into the other (see animation here [wikipedia.org])

Homologous = I don't know how that word got in there. It's not in the Wikipedia article.

Simply connected = Any line drawn on the manifold that starts and ends at the same point can be slowly shrunk down to one point without taking any part of it off the manifold. A torus is not simply connected, since you can draw a line going around the cylinder and there's no way to take it off.

As for implications, as far as I can see, it just tells us that lots of things can be deformed into spheres and gives us a simple test for determining if something can.

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Sounds a lot like a map using Mercator projection.

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> it just tells us that lots of things can be deformed into spheres and gives

> us a simple test for determining if something can.

3-spheres ("ordinary" spheres are 2-spheres). Equivalent results have existed for all other spheres for some time.

## Re:English Please (Score:5, Informative)

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I read the summary and what little mathmatical legs I got were sweapt out from under me. I read "A sketch of the proof using language intended for the lay reader is available at Wikipedia." and my instant reaction was "oh thank you god!"

But when I read the wiki over but couldn't get my head around a one-dimensional circle, and a two-dimensional sphere.

Read some other slashdotters posts and and some other wiki pages, and while I know more about manifolds than I ever

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still waiting for the simple.wikipedia.org article to fill me in.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution_of_the_Poincar%C3%A9_conjecture [wikipedia.org]

"Wikipedia does not yet have an article with this name."

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there is a Simple article about the problem, though:

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_Conjecture [wikipedia.org]

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That is the problem that was solved. The crazy thing is that it was proven for all dimensions other than ours in 1982. It took that long to prove the conjecture for the three-dimensional world that we live in. That's wild, no?

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Manifolds don't "live in" any space. Yes, a 3-sphere can be imbedded in R^4 (or R^5 or R^n for any n>3), but for its definition, the 3-sphere does not refer to any ambient space whatsoever. Our world might very well be a 3-sphere...if it were large enough, we'd never know the difference, just like the good old ant-on-a-basketball.

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Stop trying to visualize it; you can't.

But some people can visualize such things, you insensitive 3-clod!

Seriously though, mathematical proofs cannot rely on a human's ability to visualize. Even the version in our dimensionality must be proved by doing the math.

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First, visualize an n-sphere for n=2. Then let n go to infinity.

## Re:English Please (Score:4, Interesting)

It's really all about classifying shapes. For two dimensional things this is pretty easy, at least as far as the topology goes: you need to know the curvature and "how many holes does it have" and that's it -- this is the whole topologist not knowing a coffee cup from a donut since they both have one hole and hence can be deformed one into the other (note that this is two dimensional because we are considering the 2-dimensional surface on the donut and coffee cup). In dimensions higher than two things start getting trickier because more bizarre configurations become possible. Perelman's work, which actually goes toward proving the rather more far reaching Geometrization Conjecture (due to Thurston), essentially lays out how you can classify all the different (from a topological point of view) shapes of things in three dimensions and higher.

What are the implications? Well, one reasonable question is: what is the topology of the universe like; what shape is the universe? Since the universe is a three dimensional manifold that turns out to be tricky. Perelman's work lays out the groundwork to be able to answer such a question.

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Mod up please!

Thanks. Interesting stuff.

## from a mathematician (Score:4, Interesting)

It's easier to explain the two-dimensional version, that is the version about surfaces. A mathematical

surfaceis a kind of quilt: it's what you get from stitching together patches, each of which looks like a small piece of the plane. Just like with the quilt, if you bend or deform the surface it still is the same surface. Surfaces are completely "floppy".Now, most real-life quilts are rectangular and have a boundary where they end, but you can also "close" the quilt by stitching the boundary back onto itself -- what you get is a "closed" surface. For example, you can stitch all the boundary together and get a sphere. Or you can stitch opposite sides together and get a "torus" -- the surface of a doughnut. You can also make more complicated quilts, which look like the joining of several doughnuts, i.e. a doughnut with several holes.

Next, one way that the sphere and doughnut-surface differ is that the latter has a hole. The way we express this is by looping a closed piece of string along the surface. With the sphere you can always slide the piece of string off the surface (we say that the sphere is "simply connected"), but with the torus you can run a loop of string along it in such a way that no deformation will allow you to take it off (we say the doughnut is "multiply connected").

Finally, the "2d Poincare conjecture" is the statement that the only simply connected closed 2d surface is the sphere. In other words, if you can't link a loop with your closed quilt then your quilt can be deformed to be a round sphere. A strong version of this was proved by Poincare, among others.

Now for the real "Poincare Conjecture" that was proved by Perelman, replace "2d" by "3d", so the quilt comes from stitching little cubes instead of little squares. The "closed and simply connected" assumptions are the same, and the conclusion is that the quilt is, up to deformation, the 3d sphere. It's much harder to visualize since now the quilt may not fit into regular 3d space. For example, the 3d sphere is what you get by stitching the whole boundary of the 3d cube together into one point (recall how we got a 2d sphere!) -- which is not something that fits into ordinary 3d space.

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Unfortunately, there is absolutely no way to describe this stuff in "human" terms, you really just have to get your head around the concepts and even then you are likely to have no idea what this stuff is on about. Mathematicians could spend their whole career not understanding this stuff, easily.

I'll try as best I can, but I can barely get my head around the most basic concepts here, so here I go: In topology we don't care so much about what you normally think of as mathematics, topology I guess you could

## Who the fuck cares? (Score:2, Funny)

The /. eds could make this article 10x more relevant to most people by titling it 'Man wins million dollar mental masturbation prize' or by explaining the practical applications of this discovery. Instead the summary is a list of techno jargon that'd put Star Trek to shame with no mention of the $$ prize nor details of the winner. Who is this guy? Why did someone give him so much money for solving for x? Can I too win cash money for balls? If not, can I out source next year's winner to india and take a cut

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-5 narrow-minded sour grapes.

OK you can behave this way, just so long as we're able to rudely dismiss as "balls" anything clever you ever do that is not immediately relevant to us. And your music collection and wardrobe and taste in partners too since we're on a roll.

Rgds

Damon

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Nerds care.

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What are "most people" doing on /.? The people who do care already know how much the CMI prizes are and who Perelman is.

## I'm guessing (Score:1)

most people on /. have no clue what this sentence means:

Poincaré questioned whether there exists a method for determining whether a three-dimensional manifold is a spherical: is there a 3-manifold not homologous to the 3-sphere in which any loop can be gradually shrunk to a single point? The Poincaré conjecture is that there is no such 3-manifold, i.e. any boundless 3-manifold in which the condition holds is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere.## Re: (Score:2, Informative)

## Re:controversial "proof" (Score:4, Funny)

I find the concept of mathematicians having fanboys who flame each other over proofs to be disturbing.

## Summary of the Poincare conjecture is inaccurate (Score:3, Informative)

Any closed smooth three dimensional space ('manifold') without boundary where all loops can be contracted to a point is 'homeomorphic' (essentially the same as) the three dimensional sphere (that is, the unit sphere in 4 dimensions).

The words "homologous" and "boundless" have little/nothing to do with it.

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## Come again! (Score:1)

There's that whoosing sound again. I hear it once in a while.

## A triumph for Perelman (Score:1)

A triumph for Perelman. I hope he accepts the prize and rejoins the mathematical world. It is a little surprising that Hamilton did did share it as the Ricci flow was a crucial idea. But there is no doubting that Perelman did the heavy lifting.

For those of you who dismiss this result is of little worth, you will not likely see a comparable achievement of the human mind for 50 years.

## Take away my Slashdot card (Score:2)

Can someone please hyperlink every word of this article to Wikipedia for me?

I'll show myself the door. Pout.

## He turned it down (Score:2)

According to this news announcement [ninemsn.com.au] Perelman turned down the price offer saying "he had all he wanted." and that "he is not interested in money or fame."

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According to this news item [lifenews.ru] he has not made up his mind yet.

## Re:what about... (Score:5, Informative)

You can easily determine the cubic volume of a spherical cavity by using the formula: V = 4/3 PI R^3.

However, in the case of your image, the volume would probably be better matched by a cylindrical volume: V = PI R^2 H

On second thought, a one-sheet hyperboloid would probably be the best match.

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Well, I think the real question in this case should be what is the topology of the shape in question (the human body)? Isn't the so-called "cavity" really just a long tube connecting two openings to the outer surface? If that be the only set of connected openings, then the body would be homeomorphic to a torus.

However, there's a complex set of connected openings in the head: 2 nostrils, 2 tear ducts, and the mouth all connect to each other inside. I don't know what this is referred to as, topologically.

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Apparently people didn't watch "Event Horizon".

And they call themselves nerds!