Gigantic Spiral of Light Observed Over Norway; Rocket To Blame? 418
Ch_Omega writes "A mysterious light display appearing over Norway last night (more pictures) has left thousands of residents in the north of the country baffled. Witnesses from Trøndelag to Finnmark compared the amazing display to anything from a Russian rocket to a meteor to a shock wave — although no one appears to have mentioned UFOs yet. The phenomenon began when what appeared to be a blue light seemed to soar up from behind a mountain. It stopped mid-air, then began to circulate. Within seconds a giant spiral had covered the entire sky. Then a green-blue beam of light shot out from its center — lasting for ten to twelve minutes before disappearing completely. The Norwegian Meteorological Institute was flooded with telephone calls after the light storm — which astronomers have said did not appear to have been connected to the aurora, or Northern Lights, so common in that area of the world." The Bad Astronomer makes the case that a malfunctioning rocket spewing fuel is a parsimonious explanation, backed up by witnesses to similar events and a cool simulation (on video). An anonymous reader suggests that this Proton-M Carrier Rocket might be responsible for the display.
no ufos (Score:1, Informative)
The reason nobody's mentioned UFOs yet is because whatever it was originated from the Earth. Unless I'm seriously mistaken, UFOs tend to come from space, not the ground.
Cool... but mundane - It was a Rocket! (Score:5, Informative)
I got this from the BA forum:
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[UPDATE: See bottom of post; I knew it!]
Earlier in the morning today (around 8:00 a.m. local time) this weird thing was seen over the skies of Norway:
norway_spiral
My first reaction when I saw that was, "What the FRAK is THAT?!" My second thought was, "Photoshop". But then I saw lots of pictures of this on a bunch of different Norwegian media, so I don't think it's a digital hoax. Then videos started surfacing, like this one, which clearly show the spiral spinning. It's not just a static picture, whatever this thing was; it was really in the sky.
However, after a moment, I realized this must be a rocket, most likely spiraling out of control. I don't understand all the details -- I don't have all the info yet -- but a rocket fits what we're seeing here. First, this was seen all over Norway, so it must have been at a high altitude to be so visible. Second, the blue spiral angling down to the right is clearly due to perspective. A rocket spiraling around, and coming up from the lower right, would appear to make tight spirals when it was far away and bigger ones as it got closer.
Third, you can actually see the bright white spiral spinning in the videos. That threw me for a second, to be honest, but after a moment I figured that it makes sense if the rocket is headed more or less straight toward the camera. Whatever it is being lit up (exhaust, or a leaking payload?) would appear to expand in a spiral like water from a spinning sprinklerhead. The spiral itself is not spinning any more than water from the sprinkler is; that's an illusion of motion.
norway_spiral2Fourth, after a few moments, a black disk appears to expand in the center of the white spiral, as seen in this picture (it's a little fuzzy; you can see the person taking it must have used a long exposure because foreground lights are jittery, but you get the idea). That's exactly what I would expect if whatever is being ejected by the rocket ran out; the arms of the spiral would expand away from the center, leaving black emptiness in the middle.
So that's my hypothesis. A rocket got out of control, perhaps losing a stabilizer, and started to spiral. The two spirals, different in shape, size, and color, indicate something happened in the middle of all this (the rocket second stage fired while still spinning, or something else started leaking out), changing the rocket's direction. Then, when the fuel or whatever ran out, the white spiral began to disappear from the inside out as the material expanded in space.
So who launched it? The Russians are a likely guess, but -shocker -- they're denying it. I'd love to know and find out what the details are, but whoever shot it up and whatever the purpose, I'm pretty sure what we're seeing here is a rocket launch that didn't go exactly according to plan.
Note: there are a lot of stories online about this with more very cool pictures: The Sun and The Daily Mail have it in English, while Norwegian media include VG Nett, Altaposten.no, NRK.no, Framtidinord.no, Nordlis.no, and amazing videos can be seen here and here.
UPDATE: From Doctor Atlantis I heard of this video which simulates particles being spewed out from a spinning rocket booster. Look familiar?
Photos: Jan Petter Jørgensen and Morten Kristiansen. Tip o' the payload bay to the many folks who alerted me to this story!
December 9th, 2009 10:47 AM Tags: Norway, rocket
by Phil Plait in Antiscience, Cool stuff, Pretty pictures, Skepticism | 58 comments | RSS feed | Trackback >
58 Responses to "Awesomely bizarre light show freaks out Norway"
1. 1. Kevin Says:
December 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am
That reminds me of something we saw waaay back in the late 1980's during a public night at our observatory.
Yes... i AM a moron. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:no ufos (Score:4, Informative)
Re:no ufos (Score:2, Informative)
Re:no ufos (Score:3, Informative)
In fact, the vast majority of UFOs have been proven to originate from earth. That is, all that have been identified and thus are no longer unidentified. We cannot from the observations rule out extraterrestrial visitors, but it appears to be pretty unlikely.
Re:no ufos (Score:3, Informative)
Looks like a lot like Russia, 2006 (Score:5, Informative)
Happened in china some time ago also. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:BA (Score:5, Informative)
Re:no ufos (Score:5, Informative)
What's this then? http://arkansasmufon.org/ [arkansasmufon.org]
Re:no ufos (Score:4, Informative)
New York and California also have many many more people than Arkansas. This could either make these places more attractive to aliens, or maybe the ratio of alien sighters is the same but there are more of them because of population density.
Some numbers from Wolfram alpha (for what they are worth):
Arkansas-
population- 2.85 mil
density- 51.3 people/mi^2
Norway-
population- 4.7 mil
density- 39.6 people/mi^2
New York-
population- 8.36 mil
density- 401.9 people/mi^2
California-
population- 36.7 mil
density- 217.2 people/mi^2
Keep one eye closed--Day of the Triffids! (Score:3, Informative)
Those who remember the very good John Wyndham novel "The Day of the Triffids" (later made into a very bad movie) will recall that the population of most of the civilized world is transfixed by a spectacular show of mysterious lights in the sky. The first-person narrator is stuck in a hospital recovering from eye surgery with patches over his eyes and feels frustrated at being left out.
A few days later it turns out that everyone who saw the lights has gone blind, leaving the narrator one of the few people in the world who can still see.
The story suggests but never says that it is some space-based weapons system that was accidentally deployed.
So, when viewing mysterious and spectacular unexplained lighting phenomena in the sky, perhaps it would be prudent to keep one eye closed.
Re:no ufos (Score:2, Informative)
Unidentified: unknown origin
Flying: not in/on the water/land
Object: another word for noun
To recap, it could be something that is in the air, and you have no idea wtf it is. It may have come from the Earth, Mars, or the Russians.
Re:BA (Score:5, Informative)
Read the third paragraph...
Re:no ufos (Score:1, Informative)
They don't go home, idiot. They stay to colonize earth.
Re:LCD Projector FTW (Score:4, Informative)
"must be roughly spherical. "
Or spinning.
Or high enough in the atmosphere that the "different angles" weren't actually that different.
Since it also would have to be that high to catch the light of the sun, this seems likely.
Re:LCD Projector FTW (Score:3, Informative)
"While I consider myself a skeptic, the "it's a rocket" explanation sounds really dubious to me - it's like hearing loud creaking noises and banging and saying "oh, it's just wind" - disregarding the fact that wind isn't capable of producing such noise."
As you point out, you're not a rocket scientist. Actual rocket scientists and others who have seen a lot of rocket launches have seen similar things before. If that's not enough for you, the Bad Astronomer has posted a simulation of the exhaust from a rocket tumbling out of control - the simulation looks just like the pictures.
Re:Not convinced about the rocket story (Score:3, Informative)
- If its spinning the pattern would probably be roughly symmetrical. the dude from Bad Astronomy noted that he's seen rockets do that sort of thing before
- Which makes it more likely that its something mundane like a rocket
- Russia apparently routinely uses the Baltic Sea for testing, and notifies Norway so that no one freaks out (it's not like it's only a few feet from Russia to Norway across the Baltic)
- It's (intelligently) noted that the altitude of the cloud makes it quite likely the light is sunlight (in spite of the dismissal by the non-scientific article).
Rocket gone wild. (Score:3, Informative)
Here is a well documented launch of an Minotaur rocket from Vandenberg AFB in 2005 which has some similarities:
http://www.spacearchive.info/minotaur-streak.htm [spacearchive.info]
As for the spiral in I my opinion, depending on the perspective of the viewer relative to rocket you can see this pattern if you are looking at the exhaust end of the rocket and the rocket started to spin so that exhaust plume started to create a spiral. As the rocket lost total directional control, the rocket controller ordered a self-destruct so the sudden "hole" in the middle of the spiral as the rocket exhaust stops at the end of the event.
Here is another link about rocket trails with an expert description http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020926.html [nasa.gov]
Re:LCD Projector FTW (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The Norse Were Right! (Score:3, Informative)
Celebrity astronomer. Nerdy, enthusiastic and endearing. Dunno if you can say he's popular, but pretty much everybody who watches TV knows who he is.