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The Space Garbage Scow, ala Cringely 221

An anonymous reader writes "Robert X. Cringely once again educates and amuses with his take on how we could clean up the garbage that's in orbit around Earth. I cannot vouch for his math, but it makes sense to me. Quoting: 'We’d start in a high orbit, above the space junk, because we could trade that altitude for speed as needed, simply by flying lower, trading potential energy for kinetic. Dragging the net behind a little unmanned spacecraft, my idea would be to go past each piece of junk in such a way that it not only lodges permanently in the net, but that doing so adds kinetic energy (hitting at shallow angles to essentially tack like a sailboat off the debris). But wait, there’s more! You not only have to try to get energy from each encounter, it helps if — like in a game of billiards or pool — each encounter results in an effective ricochet sending the net in the proper trajectory for its next encounter. Rinse and repeat 18,000 times.'"
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The Space Garbage Scow, ala Cringely

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  • by djmurdoch ( 306849 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @12:38PM (#30106296)

    You could try reading the summary next time. His proposal was for one flight, not 18000. I imagine his plan is still impractical for lots of reasons (you probably can't get enough impulse from each piece to approach the next one at a low enough speed, etc.), but it's still not as bad as your suggestion of 18000 manned space flights.

  • by wizardforce ( 1005805 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @12:41PM (#30106330) Journal

    The problem with space junk is that there's thousands of piece of it flying around that can damage spacecraft, re-entry isn't really the problem. That's actually preferable to losing a few of your spacecraft to loose pieces of material in orbit.

  • Re:Make sure. (Score:3, Informative)

    by gbjbaanb ( 229885 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @01:07PM (#30106528)

    I suppose you're catching stuff in a net travelling in the same direction as the junk so it'll be a gentle catch rather than a hard collision. That shouldn't create any more micro bits of shrapnel.

  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @01:22PM (#30106664) Journal
    It's not quite that simple. If the orbit is elliptical then two orbits can intercept even though they have different energy level (average heights). If the two objects in the two orbits join then the one in the higher orbit will lose energy and the one in the lower orbit will gain energy (which corresponds to average height). The resulting object will have the same momentum as the vector sum of the momentum of the two objects, which will give it a new orbit. If you start in a low and highly eccentric orbit, after a number of such collisions you may end up in high and relatively circular orbit (or not, depending on the collisions). Cringely is broadly right that it is probably possible to design an orbit such that the net eventually collects everything. Unfortunately, 'eventually' in this case can mean several million years, possibly longer.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15, 2009 @02:59PM (#30107550)

    The Chinese pre-emptively launch a billion piezo electric pebbles into all the military sattelite paths just before they invade Taiwan and the petroleum rich areas of the Philippines, thus sweeping all comm links and observation platforms from the sky in a matter of an hour. As well as every other satellite. to re-build the world after the[a href="http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.13/system_detail.asp">Brilliant pebbles attack, we'll need a scow.

    So it won't really matter if a few things break up. Space won't be habitable at all till some clean up is done.

  • by Lost Race ( 681080 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @04:29PM (#30108534)
    36000km/s is about c/8.
  • Re:"net"? (Score:4, Informative)

    by StarsAreAlsoFire ( 738726 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @04:38PM (#30108612)
    4/3 * PI * R^3

    Radius of the earth:
    Re = 6,378 km

    Low earth orbit starts at ~200km:
    Rleo1 = Re + 200km = 6,578km

    Low earth orbit extends up to about 2000km ( it's debated. Using nice round numbers )
    Rleo2 = Re + 2000km = 8,378km

    4/3* PI * ( Rleo2^3 - Rleo1^3 ) = 1.271E12km^3


    1.3 trillion cubic kilometers of space to sweep.


    Assume a block of aerogel 10 meters on a side - so a frontal area of 100 m^2. That's pretty big, and it won't get any bigger unless we figure out how to manufacture the gel in space:
    Agel = 100m^2
    = 0.0001km^2

    Velocity in leo is around 7.5km/second, relative to the ground.
    Vgel = 7.5km/s

    Let's assume that we are just trying to sweep the entire volume of space once, ignoring that things are moving etc. Even one sweep of the volume would certainly clean up a lot, if the orbit of the gel is tangent to the orbit of most of the junk. So we just pretend that the block of gel is flying down a tunnel, basically - frontal area times velocity * time equals volume cleaned:

    Vclean = Agel * Vgel
    1.27E12km^3 = .0001km^2 * 7.5km/s * t(s)

    t = 1.695E15 seconds
    = 5.37018E7 years


    = 53 million years.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15, 2009 @05:45PM (#30109188)

    correction: the proper link would be this one [nasa.gov].

  • by Unequivocal ( 155957 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @06:22PM (#30109496)

    Just wanted to point out that for the first time in the history of slashdot, you correctly spelled "losing" and "loose" in the same sentence. The content of your point is good too!

  • by Unequivocal ( 155957 ) on Sunday November 15, 2009 @06:28PM (#30109566)

    Good point. Probably should be km/h?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 15, 2009 @06:43PM (#30109678)

    At speeds above Mach 8.0, you can drive a pencil through a 100mm armor steel plate - even the pencil tip stays intact and sharp.

    Speed is relative. If the net is moving in the same direction in the same orbit at a lower speed, impact speed is far less than travel speed and force can be distributed over time.

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