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Posted by timothy on Friday November 06, @03:50AM
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Philip K Dickhead writes "Is Douglas Adams scripting the saga of sorrows facing the LHC? These time-traveling Higgs-Boson particles certainly exhibit the sign of his absurd sense of humor! Perhaps it is the Universe itself, conspiring against the revelations intimated by the operation of CERN's Large Hadron Collider? This time, it is not falling cranes, cracked magnets, liquid helium leaks or even links to Al Qaeda, that have halted man's efforts to understand the meaning of life, the universe and everything. It now appears that the collider is hindered from an initial firing by a baguette, dropped by a passing bird: 'The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant overheating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident, but the spike produced so much heat that had the beam been on, automatic failsafes would have shut down the machine.'"
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  • by Cyberax (705495) on Friday November 06, @03:55AM (#30003852)

    OK. That proves it.

    Multi-world interpretation is correct and LHC is just a variant of quantum-suicide experiment.

    • by cjfs (1253208) on Friday November 06, @04:14AM (#30003928) Homepage Journal

      Multi-world interpretation is correct and LHC is just a variant of quantum-suicide experiment.

      That's what the birds want us to think. The truth is, they planned this, and there's more to come. We cannot allow even one more baguette to fall on the LHC. We must strike back.

      That's right. I'm calling KFC.

    • by Lord Bitman (95493) on Friday November 06, @04:41AM (#30004002) Homepage

      this theory has actually been proposed: That activating the LHC would actually destroy the universe, that is, the whole universe, even reaching back into the past. That would mean that the only possible universes are ones in which the LHC is never activated, which means that if we keep trying, implausible events will continue to occur, preventing the LHC from activating- after all, we're here now, right. That's _proof_ that the LHC will never be activated!

      • ObSimpsons (Score:5, Funny)

        by oGMo (379) on Friday November 06, @04:53AM (#30004058)

        after all, we're here now, right. That's _proof_ that the LHC will never be activated!

        I have a rock that keeps tigers away to sell you ...

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06, @05:10AM (#30004108)

        So then is this the improbability drive? Eee gads!!!! Douglas Adams was a prophet.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06, @08:06AM (#30004750)
        The weirdest thing is that we found the wrapper of the baguette nearby but for some reason the best before date appears to be 23th Dec 2012. Go figure.
      • by tomhudson (43916) <hudsonNO@SPAMvideotron.ca> on Friday November 06, @08:10AM (#30004770) Journal

        Only if the universe cannot tolerate a paradox.

        There is no proof that the universe won't allow paradoxes, such as going back in time and shooting your grandparents before your parents are born.

        *WE* think its paradoxical, and therefore it "can't happen that way". One doesn't necessarily lead to the other - we just assume it does.

        Maybe the universe simply "doesn't give a shit" ... and that actually appears to be the case, not just from this, but from the whole "arrow of time" perspective. To someone whose frame of reference isn't constrained by a unidirectional arrow of time, paradoxes cease to be paradoxes. To them, if you go back in time and kill your grandparents before you were born, you continue to exist. No paradox, it just is what it is. It's allowed.

        It's certainly a better explanation of everything than the "infinite multiple branching worlds" theory (and gives rise to a universe where the branching worlds theory would actually appear to be true).

        and yes, you can subscribe to my newsletter explaining our baguette-flinging overlords :-)

          • by tomhudson (43916) <hudsonNO@SPAMvideotron.ca> on Friday November 06, @10:55AM (#30006170) Journal

            What if the higgs only destroys *some* of the universes?

            what if the higgs just "re-arranges" the universe?

            what if the higgs just destroys itself?

            what if the higgs doesn't exist?

            Optimal outcome, with no paradox: Two Higgs walk into a bar. One destroys the bar. The other one goes back in time and destroys the other Higgs. Two Higgs walk into a bar ...

            From the point of view of the rest of the universe, the bar continues to exist. However, how many Higgs EXIT the bar? Is it

            1. None - they're caught in a loop.
            2. One - the Higgs that went back in time, and destroyed the other Higgs, and in so doing, altered its' own future
            3. Two - the Higgs that went back in time, then continued in time to meet up with its' future self, so they both left
            4. Two - the Higgs that went back in time plus the other Higgs
            5. Two - the Higgs that went back in time merges with the current-time Higgs
            6. Three - Both Higgs, plus the copy that went back in time because it doesn't "merge" with itself

            #3 and #6 both open up some interesting possibilities ... especially if you replace "Higgs" with "People". People wouldn't "merge" when their time lines rejoin. #4 "could" work, in some strange way, but you would have to allow for a universe that tolerates non-continuity (which ours does in some respects, strange as it seems at the macro level) #5 is definitely out. #2 is just boring. #1 doesn't work, if you think for a few minutes - it requires the rest of the universe to agree to stop "observing", or that time stop for the whole universe.

    • by mcgrew (92797) * on Friday November 06, @08:43AM (#30005028) Journal

      Multi-world interpretation is correct

      Douglas Adams is now in an alternate universe, controlling this one. Proof? Well, I had no idea what a "Baguette" was; French for birdshit, maybe? So I looked it up at [wikipedia.org], where I was presented with a picture of a breadstick.

      The first sentence of the article is "Not to be confused with Breadstick.
      For the architectural ornament (decorative), see Baguette (disambiguation)."

      Ok, I'll be sure not to confuse this breadstick with a breadstick. French people, sheesh... Or did the bird drop a decorative architectural ornament (not to be confused with a breadstick) down the hole?

      • by ceoyoyo (59147) on Friday November 06, @10:57AM (#30006190)

        Did you not the dimensions on that wikipedia article? A baguette is not a bread stick. It's that long loaf of bread that people on TV are always carrying in their grocery bags when something interesting happens to them.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06, @03:56AM (#30003856)
    They should keep the women away from the scientific equipment if they can't eat their lunch responsibly!
  • Was it a European Swallow or an African Swallow?
  • by Krupuk (978265) on Friday November 06, @03:59AM (#30003872)
    Didn't anybody brief the pigeon? Perhaps it was a bird scientist?
  • by pmontra (738736) on Friday November 06, @04:03AM (#30003882) Homepage

    This article [timesonline.co.uk] gives more information

    Further investigation into the failure of a cryogenic cooling plant revealed an unusual impediment. A piece of crusty bread had paralysed a high voltage installation that should have been powering the cooling unit.
    [...]
    A spokeswoman for CERN confirmed that baguette was responsible for the latest hiatus, but she conceded that mystery surrounded the way it got into the vital power installation, which is protected by high security fences.
    “Nobody knows how it got there,” she told The Times. “The best guess is that it was dropped by a bird, either that or it was thrown out of a passing aeroplane.”
    “Obviously this was slightly surprising. Within the team there was some amusement once they had relaxed after initial concerns.”
    The bread was discovered on a busbar - an electrical connection inside one of eight buildings above ground on the 17-mile (27km) circuit in the Swiss countryside.
    The spokeswoman said: “The collider extends over a very large area – you have to have a very comprehensive system to try to avoid problems of this kind. We’re talking about a couple of days down time.”
    Scientists hope that the temperature will be restored by around midnight tonight allowing work to continue. The failure of the cooler meant the temperature rose around 5 degrees to the equivalent of about -266C.

    A lot of things will drop on sections "of outdoor machinery". It seems that this LHC machine has been designed in such a way that will never get a chance to work.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06, @04:05AM (#30003890)

    The bird's briefing:

    The approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station.

    • by MichaelSmith (789609) on Friday November 06, @04:17AM (#30003940) Homepage Journal

      The bird's briefing:

      The approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station.

      If the bird has been hitting womp-rats back home there should be no problem.

  • One wonders how much it would take to put some kind of roofing over the most vulnerable exterior equipment. Something like corrugated tin on a steel frame or whatever.

    Or maybe a roof over the cafeteria and the rubbish bins, so that birds can't just come and steal baguettes.

    I've never heard of such deleterious effects of a bird dropping anything on outdoor power station switchgear ... what kind of vulnerable kit is this anyways?

    • by syousef (465911) on Friday November 06, @04:16AM (#30003932) Journal

      One wonders how much it would take to put some kind of roofing over the most vulnerable exterior equipment. Something like corrugated tin on a steel frame or whatever.

      You slashdot wise guys! Do you REALLY think PROFESSIONAL scientists would leave critical equipment exposed? That professionals paid to design and engineer a multi-billion dollar piece of equipment would forget a basic piece of covering? That you sitting there and speculating behind your keyboard sitting in your underwear in your mother's basement might have a better idea of how to protect delicate scientific equipment than hundreds of scientists and engineers with post graduate degrees?

      Well in this instance it looks like you might be right?

    • by ArsenneLupin (766289) on Friday November 06, @05:09AM (#30004106)

      put some kind of roofing over the most vulnerable exterior equipment.

      There was a roof over it... but unfortunately they forgot about the tunnel effect...

  • by addsalt (985163) on Friday November 06, @04:09AM (#30003908)
    A baguette did not shut down the LHC because the LHC wasn't running (doesn't take superman to halt a train that isn't moving). Even the summary states

    The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident

    and the TFA

    This incident won't delay the reactivation of the facility later this month

  • Here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06, @04:18AM (#30003942)

    Hypothesis: There are multiple universes. Many of them build the LHC. In those that build it, most turn it on, destroying themselves. Not only do they destroy themselves, but they take out their planet, their galaxy, and their universe, including time, such that they essentially never existed.

    Obviously we can't live in one of those universes, so a series of accidents, bizarre or mundane, probably take place until someone decides it's not worth the effort and the project is scrapped.

    That would explain the long delays and the mind-bogglingly arbitrary accidents.

    Alternative hypothesis: The LHC is an internationally-funded, politically-changed science experiment of immense complexity. That alone would explain the delays and problems, and would also lead to it probably never being switched on.

    3rd hypothesis: The LHC is switched on eventually, gives us much scientific knowledge, and doesn't kill us all. But really, that's boring and doesn't make for compelling science fiction. Just compelled science.

  • The LHC is designed with very good fail-safes so that random events like this won't shut down the accelerator for huge amounts of time. It would mean at most a day or two of no beam before things got started again. These kinds of safety trips are to be expected a couple of times a month with a machine as huge and complicated as the LHC.
  • There's a saying (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Dunbal (464142) on Friday November 06, @05:35AM (#30004196)

    "Never attribute to a time traveling malicious Higgs boson what can easily be attributed to human stupidity."

          Physicists spend too much time in the lab in theoretical situations. It's amazing that when they design a machine that will go outside, they forget that birds tend to crap on everything.

  • by ColaMan (37550) on Friday November 06, @05:38AM (#30004216) Homepage Journal

    http://hcc.web.cern.ch/hcc/cryo_main/cryo_main.php?region=Sector81 [web.cern.ch]

    Pretty wild to think that a rise up to 8 kelvin is a "serious overtemp event".

    (And fancy CERN having all their engineering data online like that, open to everyone..... anyone'd think they invented the internet or something.)

    • Re:le sigh... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ultranova (717540) on Friday November 06, @04:34AM (#30003988)

      ... and why, pray tell, was such apparently critical equipment not in some sort of enclosure?

      Because if it was, it would had been the roof collapsing that would had disabled it, and that would had caused a lot worse mess.

      As a side note, I think that this confirms my pet theory concerning time travel: any attempt to do it will change the past, which changes the conditions of the travel slightly, which changes the past, and so on, until the travel never occurs and the past stops changing. In other words, a spacetime where time travel happens is unstable and decays into one where it won't. Quantum uncertainty would, in this interpretation, be there to allow causality to "stretch" enough to allow such decay; a hypothethical universe without quantum uncertainty but with sentience and time travel (which is an inevitable outcome of the Theory of Relativity, which in turn is an inevitable outcome from the laws of physics being the same for all observers) would tear itself apart. You can thus deduct the Uncertainty Principle from the Anthropic Principle (we are here, so this universe must be able to support sentient life).

      I wonder if you could calculate the minimum required amount of uncertainty for spacetime to stay consistent, and how it would relate to observed/otherwise calculated values? Assume that the first singularity formed at t=0, and has been moving infinitely close to lightspeed ever since, and connects to every other time period through a wormhole, and go from there. The math is beyond me, does anyone else care to try?

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