Nationwide Shortage In Supply of Swine Flu Vaccine 579
Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that as the number of swine flu cases grows to levels unprecedented for this time of year, health officials predict a shortfall in the supply of swine flu vaccine. Forty-three children have died from swine flu since August 30 — about the same number that usually die in an entire flu season.' These are very sobering statistics,' says Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, 'and unfortunately they are likely to increase.' Projections of the supply of swine flu vaccine have widely varied. During the summer, health officials said 120 million doses would be ready in October but later dropped the estimate to 40 million doses. Now officials expect only 28 million to 30 million doses, adding that the exact number is impossible to predict and could change daily as vaccine manufacturers report that production was behind schedule. 'Vaccine production for influenza is pretty complex,' says Schuchat explaining the delay, 'and the complex process this year is taking a bit longer than we had hoped.' Schuchat warned parents with sick children to be alert for signs that medical attention is required including not eating well, difficulties breathing, and turning blue or gray. A particularly important sign is when children start to get better, then have a relapse, usually a sign that pneumonia is developing, and immediate treatment should be sought."
Do not want (Score:3, Interesting)
43 healthy children? Or 43 total children? (Score:4, Interesting)
It makes a difference. All forms of influenza are devastating to an ill child. We must assume that some ill children have been exposed to H1N1 by now. So, which is the case:
1) All 43 were ill
2) None of th 43 were ill
3) Some portion of the 43 were ill
Also bear in mind that this is only about twice (possibly trending towards three times) as deadly as using school-buses:
"Approximately 27 school aged children die in school bus accidents every year." http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/personal_injury/bus/statistics.html [onlinelawyersource.com]
The 1918 pandemic was certainly something that we do not wish to see repeated. However, it was deadlier than this situation on the order of millions of times more.
Please stop scaring people. Please?
Re:False Statements (Score:3, Interesting)
Your statement is blatantly false. As the most minor of checks would show you.
Children don't due from flu in the hundreds each year.
So show us your stats source, or did you just make it up because you are an uninformed idiot?
Re:Same News Cycle Every Year (Score:5, Interesting)
Instead of doing a flu shot a few years back I got a pneumonia vaccine. Usually it is the pneumonia that kills you when you get the flu. It doesn't protect you against all forms of pneumonia, but as an added side affect if I get hospitalized for some other reason my chance of getting a secondary pneumonia infection is reduced.
The other bonus is you get one or two shots in your lifetime instead of having to get a shot every year. I guess I'm a bit more trusting of a vaccine that doesn't seem to revolve around a yearly profit cycle.
Re:Do not want (Score:3, Interesting)
I really don't know why you're being modded down.
Vaccines for diseases with high mortality rates makes sense. Vaccines for the seasonal flu is fixing what ain't broke, which always introduces risk.
Don't be an ass. (Score:3, Interesting)
First, government is responsible: the CDC is in charge of this operation.
Second, A deliberate decision was made to ship the stuff as fast as it was made rather than stockpiling it and coordinating distribution in order to get it out as fast as possible. It was expected that this would result in "shortages and lines". Better that than everybody waiting another month.
Third, given the leadtime they had (controlled by the virus, not the humans) they have done a remarkable job getting a significant amount of vaccine out this early at all.
I say this despite being a definite non-fan of government. I'm sure a truly free society (there are none) could do as well or better, but we have to work with what we have.
Re:Same News Cycle Every Year (Score:1, Interesting)
It's different this year--I spent last week coughing my lungs out and listening to the radio, and the big significant difference I noticed this year was the number of deaths of (previously healthy) children and teenagers reported in the news climbed daily. In a normal flu season, they report deaths of a handful of sickly elderly persons.
From personal experience and other anecdotal items from friends of mine who've had it, it's worse: a high fever (104F) sets on early and for a longer time; after that the risk of a follow-on sinus or other respiratory infection remains high for days, although for me this combined with a giddy cheerfulness (perhaps brought on by surviving the high fever).
Not fear of death, it's not wanting to get sick (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not getting a flu shot because I think I'm going to die from it...
I'm getting a flu shot because I don't want to be sick as a dog from this thing and miss a week of work.
The $30 I spend (via insurance) on a flu shot every year pays for itself in that I'm not freaking the fuck out about catching up on work, not having to spend time I'm not at work laying in bed feeling miserable, and not having to shell out $15 a box (and show my ID thanks to meth makers) for pills that'll make me feel slightly less miserable.
I used to not get flu shots, and I got sick as a dog at least once a winter with whatever was going around. I now get flu shots and for the last 3 winters I haven't been sick with anything more than the sniffles, and I work in an office that seems to have plagues running through it at least once a quarter.
Re:Do not want (Score:2, Interesting)
This is an influenza virus we're talking about. There are plenty of studies showing that getting vaccinated for influenza is completely pointless.
Please read this story in The Atlantic. [theatlantic.com]
From page 2:
The history of flu vaccination suggests other reasons to doubt claims that it dramatically reduces mortality. In 2004, for example, vaccine production fell behind, causing a 40 percent drop in immunization rates. Yet mortality did not rise. In addition, vaccine “mismatches” occurred in 1968 and 1997: in both years, the vaccine that had been produced in the summer protected against one set of viruses, but come winter, a different set was circulating. In effect, nobody was vaccinated. Yet death rates from all causes, including flu and the various illnesses it can exacerbate, did not budge.
That magical polio vaccine, which is now being given in Nigeria in the form of a nasal spray (just like the current influenza vaccine being given out now) has mutated and been responsible for causing the current outbreak there.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-14-nigeria-polio_N.htm [usatoday.com]
Everyone who got the polio vaccine in the US has been exposed to SV 40, one of many viruses in vaccines that have been found to cause cancer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsXrVkjyz4 [youtube.com]
When you get a vaccine you are getting many unknown viruses, proteins and random DNA fragments that are grown with the vaccine in whatever substance is used. There has never been a study of long term effects on what these can do to you.
Doctors in Germany have been warning about this. [www.bild.de]
The nutrient solution for the vaccine consists of cancerous cells from animals and "we do not know if there could be an allergic reaction".
But more importantly, some people fear that the risk of cancer could be increased by injecting the cells.
The vaccine - as Johannes Löwer, president of the Paul Ehrlich Institute, has pointed out - can also cause worse side effects than the actual swine flu virus.
Wodrag also described people’s fear of the pandemic as an "orchestration": “It is great business for the pharmaceutical industry,” he told the ‘Neuen Presse’.
Swine flu is not very different from normal flu. “On the contrary if you look at the number of cases it is nothing compared to a normal flu outbreak,” he added.
But please fearmonger about the plague and polio without looking at any associated risks with getting vaccinated for everything that may make most people sick for a few days.
Re:Do not want (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Your girlfriend got lucky, at least a little. One of my coworkers wasn't so lucky. She died from H1N1, and it wasn't pretty. One could argue that it takes bad luck(and pre-existing conditions) to die from the flu, most cases aren't bad, but even if the death rate was .1%, that's still 100 dead out of 100k infections.
2. Being in the hospital predisposes you to see the bad effects. Kinda like how if you work in a prison you'll see more criminals.
3. Vaccines aren't a cure. If you view viruses like terrorists(who all share a family resemblence), a vaccine is like distributing a rap/identification sheet. Your immune system still has to respond to fight the infection, it just gets a leg up. Against a replicating 'enemy', said leg up can be the difference between life and death.
You might have an arguement about the antibiotics, but that's a 'too late, open another front in the war' - the immune system has already been roused.
If anything, antibacterial soap and sanitizing cleaning products would make a better target. But even then, how much is it our immune systems 'getting lazy' and how much is 'people with weak immune systems aren't dying early'?
Re:Do not want (Score:2, Interesting)