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Bill Gates Puts Classic Feynman Lectures Online 338

Posted by Soulskill
from the surely-you're-joking dept.
theodp writes "Okay Tux fans, let's see how badly you want to see Feynman's Messenger Lectures on Physics. Bill Gates has the goods over at Microsoft Research's Project Tuva site. Also, CNET's Ina Fried has an interesting interview with Gates. He goes into why he spent his own money to make a series of classic physics lectures available free on the Web, talks about the possibility of Project Natal bringing gesture recognition to Windows, gives his thoughts on Google's Chrome OS, and discusses plans to patent 'cows that don't fart.' The last is a joke. I think."
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Bill Gates Puts Classic Feynman Lectures Online

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  • by neonprimetime (528653) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:19PM (#28705331) Homepage
    Microsoft doesn't just want to bring gesture recognition to the Xbox with Project Natal. It also wants the technology in Windows, according to a very good source--Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.

    Here's what I want ... if I flick off my windows pc, it will automatically hit ctrl-alt-delete. That would allow me to release stress, and save me a few keyboard clicks.
    • by SterlingSylver (1122973) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:25PM (#28705425)

      Maybe it could learn to recognize someone throwing up their hands in disgust and slamming their fists on the desk...

      Clippy: You appear to be royally pissed off at your computer. Would you like me to search for some humorous kitten videos on Bing?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by mcgrew (92797)

      Just put a brick through the monitor and kick the tower over. Much better stress reliever, plus it gives you an excuse to buy a Mac.

      • by vux984 (928602) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:12PM (#28706101)

        Yup. Crash Different.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqmFNTNgsU [youtube.com]

    • "Here's what I want ... if I flick off my windows pc, it will automatically hit ctrl-alt-delete. That would allow me to release stress, and save me a few keyboard clicks."

      There are many reasons I would (assuming "flip"?) flick off my Windows pc - and MANY reasons why I would flick off my linux PC - for reasons that have nothing to do with an O/S failure. That wouldn't be practical.
    • by Ilgaz (86384)

      Guess the most easily reached UI element of XP Mode under Windows 7 which is basically hand crafted Virtual PC?

      a button saying "ctrl-alt-delete" is right at its toolbar. Believe or not.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Vectronic (1221470)

        I'll believe it, cause its the same for a lot of VM's, because hitting Ctrl+Alt+Del in the VM, is often sent to the host PC instead. SO you can either change the keystroke to Shift+Alt+Del or something, or... use the button.

  • I know why. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) * on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:19PM (#28705333) Journal

    He goes into why he spent his own money to make a series of classic physics lectures available free on the Web

    That's easy. It's a good way to lure technically minded people into installing Silverlight. No sale here Gates, I'll wait until it's available by torrent.

    • by eldavojohn (898314) * <eldavojohnNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:27PM (#28705473) Journal

      He goes into why he spent his own money to make a series of classic physics lectures available free on the Web

      That's easy. It's a good way to lure technically minded people into installing Silverlight. No sale here Gates, I'll wait until it's available by torrent.

      For the technically literate, Moonlight is open source. You should try it out [go-mono.com] to view these. Word of warning, it uses some of the same protocols so if you're concerned about violating Microsoft's copyright, better to avoid it. They are listed under the community promise now but you never know. And if you're RMS, you're probably going to rip this post apart.

    • by Ilgaz (86384) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:35PM (#28705583) Homepage

      What about some great reading in HTML instead? It tells about where the real IT World was while MS was monkeying with some clone of CP/M

      http://www.longnow.org/views/essays/articles/ArtFeynman.php [longnow.org]

      BTW, dear BillG: There is something called archive.org if you want to donate something to technical community. They offer standard MPEG and OGG files and Flash, which is current de-facto standard can stream them embedded if one is in hurry. Your attempt to kill Flash has failed, fire that team and target something else.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Ah well, you're missing out. I watched two lectures last night and was impressed (my first silverlight experience). I use my cell phone as a modem and thus don't get a create connection speed, and watching videos usually requires me to buffer for some time... the lectures played fine and in decent quality. What impressed me, though, were the closed captions that were displayed below the video window.

      Why the knee-jerk reactions to Silverlight? Is it because it doesn't have full Linux support yet? By that reg

      • Re:I know why. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Hatta (162192) * on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:45PM (#28705731) Journal

        Why the knee-jerk reactions to Silverlight?

        It's yet another attack vector. I already have a video player on my system, and Silverlight offers me nothing that I can't do without it. It does however potentially contain vulnerabilities that could compromise my system.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by benwaggoner (513209)

          I already have a video player on my system, and Silverlight offers me nothing that I can't do without it.

          Sure it can. Check out the player experience, and its navigation, commentary, captioning, etcetera. And it uses Smooth Streaming to provide proxy-cachable video at multiple bitrates.

          http://alexzambelli.com/blog/2009/03/27/smooth-streaming-white-paper/ [alexzambelli.com]

          It does however potentially contain vulnerabilities that could compromise my system

          FWIW, Silverlight so far has had 0 exploits over three versions. It's done well compared to other media players in the same period. One advantage of a relatively recent technology is that it was designed for security from the get-go, after the web had shifted

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            by _Sprocket_ (42527)

            FWIW, Silverlight so far has had 0 exploits over three versions. It's done well compared to other media players in the same period. One advantage of a relatively recent technology is that it was designed for security from the get-go, after the web had shifted to its current "presumed hostile" state.

            A reasonable track record so far. It makes a nice point. However, exactly when did the 'web shift to a "presumed hostile" state?

            I ask because by my count, we've been in a hostile environment for years. And throughout those years, Microsoft has either introduced some very disturbing implementations or promised secure implementations that later fall short of these grand claims.

            I don't want to completely discount Microsoft's improved attitude towards security. But there isn't an entirely solid track record

            • Re:I know why. (Score:4, Interesting)

              by benwaggoner (513209) <ben.waggoner@NosPam.microsoft.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @03:38PM (#28707979) Homepage

              However, exactly when did the 'web shift to a "presumed hostile" state?

              2000 or so? Probably when always-on broadband become common.

              I ask because by my count, we've been in a hostile environment for years. And throughout those years, Microsoft has either introduced some very disturbing implementations or promised secure implementations that later fall short of these grand claims

              Certainly XP as released was way too trusting. But I think Microsoft's track record has been quite positive since XPSP2. I wasn't around for that period, but it definitely got people VERY focused on security as something that has to be baked into product design from the inception of the product. Vista, IE 7/8, Silverlight, Office 2003/2007 all have had much better security records than their predecessors.

              Lots of complaints about Microsoft products, most notably Vista, are on areas where Microsoft prioritized security over simplicity or backwards compatibility. And that's a problem for everybody, including Mac and Linux, with years of regular security updates ahead of us.

              It's been easier in Silverlight since there wasn't anything to be backwards comaptible to. But there are defintley features that have been cut, delayed, or reduced in scope due to the test cost of verifying security. Every feature gets a threat model and security test plan before it gets approved.

              We're really serious about it. On the media side, for example, there's a lot of fuzz testing of malformed bitstreams to make sure there's no way to cause a crash that could then lead to an exploit.

      • Re:I know why. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by mr crypto (229724) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:46PM (#28705761)

        Because requiring Silverlight (and therefore Windows) severely dilutes the notion that Gate's action is altruistic. The content is only kinda free.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Dolohov (114209)

          Look at it this way: assume for a moment that he wants to be altruistic. The technologies available to him to do this the way he wants are Silverlight and Flash. He's a Microsoft fan, he naturally chooses Silverlight - or more likely, the Microsoft lackey he gives the job to chooses it out of fear of being berated for choosing something "inferior".

          So, looking from the outside, the altruistic explanation looks exactly the same as the conniving one.

      • Re:I know why. (Score:5, Informative)

        by Mr2cents (323101) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:15PM (#28706151)

        I saw 4 feynman lectures put online here [vega.org.uk], he became my hero instantly. He was a great man.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by _Sprocket_ (42527)

        Why the knee-jerk reactions to Silverlight?

        It might have something to do with the knee-jerk reactions to Linux from Microsoft's CEO. When one starts rattling sabers, it's not entirely unfair to think that there might be a willingness to follow through.

      • Re:I know why. (Score:5, Insightful)

        by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:56PM (#28706665) Homepage

        Why the knee-jerk reactions to Silverlight?

        What makes you think it's a knee-jerk reaction rather than a well reasoned reaction from years of experience dealing with Microsoft?

        For most users, Silverlight doesn't provide any real benefits. The whole thing was invented, not to fill a need, but to push Microsoft's vendor lock-in.

        Sure, they support OSX. For now. They also used to release IE for OSX, but they stopped updating it, letting it fall behind IE for Windows, and then killed it off. They also used to sell Outlook for OSX, before killing it and replacing it with a substandard version that didn't support Exchange servers. Their broadness of support only seems to last as long as it takes them to dominate that particular market, and then they drop support in order to drive everyone back to Windows.

        So now, tell me, except for Microsoft putting up content like this on their own site and requiring Silverlight, what reason do I have to install the thing at all? What reason did Microsoft have for using Silverlight instead of just letting people play the video files?

      • Re:I know why. (Score:4, Informative)

        by Beelzebud (1361137) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @02:03PM (#28706763)
        People are saying it offers nothing that youtube or other types of services offer, and yet I just watched the first lecture at the silverlight site, and thought it was pretty cool how there was 2 text commentaries from physicists you could have as an optional caption, and links to deeper information about certain people and topics he was discussing, that would appear as he was talking about them.

        It's the first video I've watched with silverlight, and I didn't mind it at all. The extras it offered allowed me to get a better grasp on certain topics he was covering.
    • by digitig (1056110)

      That's easy. It's a good way to lure technically minded people into installing Silverlight.

      Yes -- it would save me the walk over to the bookshelf to get the dead-tree version.

  • by eldavojohn (898314) * <eldavojohnNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:21PM (#28705363) Journal

    Ballmer and Gates also echoed the note Business Division President Stephen Elop sounded in an interview with CNET News last week--that Microsoft really doesn't know what Chrome OS will look like.

    "Who knows what this thing is?" Ballmer said.

    It's the Linux kernel with a new UI. Probably will have some other beefed up parts (security or graphics) along with better hardware support on select devices as they throw their weight around. Judging by the name, it will most likely have a windowing look a lot like the browser [pcworld.com]. Could be different but I'll bet they build it with real estate in mind like the Chrome browser for netbooks.

    I'm also guessing that you know a hell of a lot more about Chrome OS than many of Google's own employees as you've never been entirely stupid when it comes to keeping tabs on your enemies. So either you're letting your own personal ego get in the way of your business sense while underestimating Google or you are asking a rhetorical question to spread uncertainty of what Chrome OS could be. Either way it's pretty childish. I may not know exactly what Chrome OS is but I definitely know what Windows Vista is and I do not want.

    • by Jim Hall (2985)

      >> Ballmer and Gates also echoed the note Business Division President Stephen Elop sounded in an interview with CNET News last week--that Microsoft really doesn't know what Chrome OS will look like. "Who knows what this thing is?" Ballmer said.

      > It's the Linux kernel with a new UI. Probably will have some other beefed up parts (security or graphics) along with better hardware support on select devices as they throw their weight around.

      Maybe Ballmer just sucks at explaining things? [xkcd.com]

      :-)

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by mcgrew (92797)

      Either way it's pretty childish

      No more childish than requiring Silverlight to read some lectures. No more childish than Windows. No more childish than Microsoft's advertising. No more childish than Ballmer's chair throwing and his "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!"

      "Childish" is par for the course with Microsoft.

    • OS X is NeXT/BSD Lite/Carbon/FreeBSD with a new UI and collection of frameworks. That almost schizoid mix of things is being chosen instead of Windows by 70 year old ladies because it is easier to use!

      One gotta be afraid of "new UI" things especially when they are released by some company almost same size as them. Funny thing is, Google can lose billions with no harm (just like MS silverlight) and say "oh well, it didn`t work" and continue their regular business. In fact they don`t even have to cancel it as

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by avandesande (143899)

      //It's the Linux kernel with a new UI.//

      You seem to be suggesting that a new interface for linux is passe- but look at what Apple did with BSD.

    • He's just laying the groundwork for their coming marketing campaign, centered around "trust" and "stability" messages to soothe the Windows 7 buying soul. It will probably work on the older baby boomers, but everyone else will yawn and go back to tooling around on Facebook and watching Hulu, on whatever operating system they like.

      If Google creates a framework where you can locally host Google Apps that automatically sync with low horsepower terminals connected to the local network, Microsoft will be in a wo

  • He goes into why he spent his own money to make a series of classic physics lectures available free on the Web

    Well, one reason I can say for sure is that he happens to have billions of dollars in his bank account. So the cost of doing this is amounts to a rounding error in his checking account. Let's not ascribe too much a sense of moral duty to him for doing this.

    When people sing the praises of the ultra-wealthy who donate a bit of money to this or that, it makes me annoyed a little bit. On the one

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by metageek (466836)

      however much we dislike Gates and M$, we must recognize that he is a serious philantropist and has a record on donations to charity, particularly towards serious world problems like malaria, measles, etc. That is something good I can say about him. Silverlight, on the other hand, is not :(

    • by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:30PM (#28706315) Homepage

      But on the other hand, they usually do not donate anything close to being something that they would actually feel. Some do, but most don't.

      Well I think Bill Gates, when you add up a lot of the things he's done, has donated more than what would be a rounding error. Still, you can look at all these things in the sense that it's no more generous for Gates to give away a few billion dollars than it is courageous for Superman to jump in front of a bullet. The hurt isn't large. It's not as though Gates is going to cease to live an extremely comfortable lifestyle. What's more, you could argue that something like this is just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Gates is screwing society out of billions of dollars through underhanded business tactics, only to give back a portion of the money through charitable donations.

      You can argue those things, but on the other hand, it's not always worth looking a gift horse in the mouth. He's donating more than he's required to, and doing it of his own free will. May as well be pleased about that.

  • by mcgrew (92797) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:32PM (#28705549) Homepage Journal

    "Click here to download. Needs no restart".

    The Goddamned site requires suilverlight. Now why would lectures need silverlight? Damn it, I just want to read the paper, not play some goofy game.

    I see why Gates put these on the net, he wants more Silverlight penetration. Evil bastard will rot in hell when he dies.

    • by Ilgaz (86384)

      I wonder if I should grab the videos, repack it in a mp4 file and publish it to pirate bay as in torrent?

      The only issue would be installing Silverlight and being another number in MS statistics. I don`t have tripwire on this partition too and I have no time to review .pkg.

      I bet someone else who got experience in these things is already on it.

  • by nametaken (610866) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:33PM (#28705571)

    I don't care that it's MS Research. The irritating part is that my "browser is not compatible" because I don't use silverlight.

    Oh, and regarding Bill's comments on it being a bad idea for Google to have two OS's (Chrome and Android)... MS HAS MORE THAN ONE OS, DUMBSHIT! Is Gates so out of touch that he thinks that win mobiles run Vista?

  • by Shuh (13578) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:35PM (#28705605) Journal
    This is less about distributing knowledge and more about increasing distribution of Microsoft's video/web-technology, Silverlight .
  • by Sir_Real (179104) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:40PM (#28705663)

    Apparently my browser is incompatible with the "web app." One wonders what standards their web is based on.

  • by RyanHam (1596459) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:40PM (#28705673)
    • by Ilgaz (86384)

      That post alone explains the reason of Silverlight and its trojan clone.

      For example, not just Linux users, Symbian users can also view them as well as anything supporting Flash video. Or, they can easily change the container as it is completely documented and watch in their multimedia device.

      Man Flash must be really bugging them.

    • Kinda cool to learn about the dude whose name is on the building I do some work at:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Commemorations [wikipedia.org]

      The main building for the Computing Division at Fermilab, the FCC, is named in his honor: The "Feynman Computing Center".[42]

      Thanks for the links!

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by rhizome (115711)

      Looks like Bill couldn't give something to the world without including a self-serving requirement.

      • A leopard can't change its spots?

        Bill Gates has a monopoly on these lectures, and he leverages that monopoly for the benefit of Silverlight. Always a self-serving monopolist, I guess.

        One wonders if the rest of the world has to sign a EULA to get access to his malaria treatments.

  • by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:50PM (#28705823) Journal

    ...but this guy still makes me facepalm.

    "It just shows the word browser has become a truly meaningless word," Gates said. "What's a browser? What's not a browser? If you're playing a movie, is that a browser or not a browser? If you're doing annotations, is that a browser? If you're editing text, is that a browser or not a browser? In large part, it's more an abuse of terminology than a real change."

    Editing text has been part of browsing ever since HTML forms were introduced. Playing movies has been part of browsers since QuickTime and RealPlayer -- so, could easily be 10 years.

    And of course, he's playing dumb about the real difference here. It seems like he's trying to suggest that it shouldn't be called a "browser", but rather, we should be talking about text editors and movie players.

    No, see, the difference is whether I can just watch stuff on YouTube, edit text on Google Docs, pretty much do whatever I want on the Internet, without downloading anything other than a browser update. It means I get a fat client to some very cool services -- one that auto-updates the next time I refresh, yet one that's sufficiently sandboxed as not to be able to touch anything else in my OS.

    It also means that when developing such applications, not only are they automatically cross-platform, but I can develop most of the logic as part of the server, and on the server side, I can use whatever technologies and languages I want.

    And this reality is something Microsoft has been fighting since day 1, with the bastardization of web technology that is IE, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that Gates doesn't get it. I guess I gave him the benefit of the doubt...

    Ballmer and Gates also stressed the fact that Google now has two operating systems--Chrome OS and Android. Ballmer noted that Microsoft learned with the separate Windows 95 for consumers and Windows NT for businesses that having two operating systems isn't necessarily a positive thing.

    *facepalm*

    Ok, leaving aside the fact that you've got, what, five or six versions of Vista, and it looks as though there will be even more versions of Win7 -- just what does Gates think runs on Windows Mobile? It's not Vista, and it's not Win7.

    Sure, Chrome OS and Android are closer to each other than Windows Mobile and Vista, but they're still directed at different markets -- Chrome OS is meant for netbooks, while Android was meant for mobile phones. Android runs on netbooks, but serves an entirely different purpose -- while NT and Win95 look exactly the same -- oh, and as he pointed out, Android has a browser, meaning anything Chrome OS can do, Android can do -- meaning it's more like comparing Vista Starter with Vista Ultimate, whereas NT and Win95 actually had mutually incompatible software.

    • by MrCrassic (994046)
      You're not thinking on the same level.

      Gates's assertion is that the ideology of a browser is being warped and abused because the technology driving it is being intermingled with the notion of being able to see and search for stuff. While this is somewhat critical with Google's approach of centralizing the browser in the OS, it's also kind of sidestepping the question.

      See, in the beginning, when communication was simple and numbers were small, browsers were used to do just that --- browse the contents
  • Obviously, requires you to have Silverlight installed. I'm using Windows, so I don't have a chance to try it with Moonlight. Somewhat disappointing that Moonlight isn't aimed at Windows. Could probably pick up some more users for those of us, who aren't fans of IE or Firefox

    IE 8 - works (duh)
    Firefox 3 - works (surprise)
    Opera 9/10 - doesn't work
    Chrome 2 - doesn't work
    Safari 4 - doesn't work

  • by Midnight Thunder (17205) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @12:59PM (#28705965) Homepage Journal

    The site need Silverlight to view the lectures, so one has to wonder whether Microsoft was looking for a 'killer application' to make people want to install the plug-in.

    On a more optimistic note, does anyone have these lectures in MKV or MPEG4 format, or at least something using a more open format?

  • It installs and plays on XP in a virtual machine. That's very apt if you think about since Feynman did so much to help our understanding of virtual particles :-)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:06PM (#28706043)

    These are very interesting: http://vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8

    They're what I thought this slashdot article was about when I read the headline.

  • by MrCrassic (994046) <deprecated&ema,il> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:11PM (#28706099) Journal
    I think that it's great that Gates made Feynman's lectures available for free online. Now, I don't know a lot about physics, but I do know that his lectures were some of the best sources out there to learn it. In addition, there are several outlets available for people to expand their knowledge base, with MIT OpenCourseWare being one of the more popular ones. Heck, people could even use YouTube to gain a better understanding of any one topic. It could even be argued that a source like YouTube is better, since the educational videos I've seen were explained in very simple terms (which are always the best terms).

    That all goes to show that the sources are there, and are very easy to access. You don't even need an account to access nearly the same material as MIT students do! However, Gates was absolutely right in that motivation is a really strong factor in wanting to find that stuff. I think that a source of that waning motivation comes from the desire to find a job, especially "in this economy."

    So many people see school solely as a "means to an end," and many schools set themselves up to be precisely this. When one's goal is simply to graduate, there's "no time" to bother with learning the extra stuff; it's all about the grade in that paradigm.

    I don't want to make this longer than it already is, but what I think would be awesome is to let students "create a major" at the college level. Some schools, like RPI and RIT, already practice this, but it should be practiced much more heavily, especially in the sciences and engineering. As a finishing Computer Engineering student, I'll be the first to say that it kind of sucks that I have to take a ton of classes that will have no practical OR educational use for me, just so that I can graduate under the guidelines of a program. However, that rant is for another time.
  • It's on YouTube (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Latinhypercube (935707) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:18PM (#28706173)
    Here :- 1964 Messenger Lecture 1 Character of Physical Law 1 of 7 [youtube.com] I have been loving discovering Feynman. As much as he reveals and explains interesting physics, he also maps the limits of our current understanding. Questions like, how does gravity and matter work, why does light refract, simple aspects of physics that we still don't understand.
  • by Question Mark (22135) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @01:55PM (#28706659)

    So let me get this straight: an employee of a public institution (Cal Tech) gave some speeches that were recorded by a government-funded entity (the BBC), and in order to release those recordings to the public, a private individual (Bill Gates) had to purchase the rights? And rather than release in them in a standards-based format, we instead have to to download and install proprietary software (Silverlight) that we may not want on our computers?

  • by Cowmonaut (989226) on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @02:57PM (#28707461)
    http://vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8 [vega.org.uk] Requires QuickTime or RealPlayer I think, I don't remember which. But they're already online for free.
  • I'll simply say (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Vadim Makarov (529622) <makarov@vad1.com> on Wednesday July 15, 2009 @04:11PM (#28708347) Homepage

    Bill Gates, thank you!

    I will watch them all.

  • by walterbyrd (182728) on Thursday July 16, 2009 @09:29AM (#28716481)

    You can get the lectures here:

    http://vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8 [vega.org.uk]

    And avoid the silverlight embrace, extend, extinguish, scam.

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