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Steve Jobs Had a Liver Transplant Two Months Ago 436

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evw writes "The Wall Street Journal reports that Steve Jobs had a liver transplant two months ago (subscription required, alternative coverage is available based on the WSJ's report). He is on track to return to work at the end of June. 'William Hawkins, a doctor specializing in pancreatic and gastrointestinal surgery at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., said that the type of slow-growing pancreatic tumor Mr. Jobs had will commonly metastasize in another organ during a patient's lifetime, and that the organ is usually the liver. ... Having the procedure done in Tennessee makes sense because its list of patients waiting for transplants is shorter than in many other states.' There are no residency requirements for transplants."
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Steve Jobs Had a Liver Transplant Two Months Ago

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  • by wjsteele (255130) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @07:23AM (#28400953)
    for a recovery. My Dad's liver transplant had him out for almost 6 months. In fact, right after his surgery, he was in isolation for 30 days, then in ICU for another 30. I'd be real suprised if he actually was able to "return to work" this month. Even "part time," physical therapy and all the tweaking they need to do with the medications (anti rejection, etc.) to get his chemical balances back is a big thing.

    I wish him well... my Dad was able to go to Oshkosh (AirVenture) with me 1 year after his surgery. A trip I will never forget.

    Bill
  • by sjf (3790) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @07:56AM (#28401107)

    No, most hospitals are required by state law to treat folks without insurance for emergency care. So, by the point you are actually dying you'll get treatment. And, by that point it's only palliative.

    But, hey, at least the US doesn't have socialist health care! Those socialist fire fighters do such a terrible job putting out our houses when they're on fire, and don't get me started on those socialist training camps called public (US sense) schools.

  • by WindBourne (631190) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @08:06AM (#28401141) Journal
    Well, it depends. Do you have insurance that covers it. If you do not, then there is gov. insurance in medicare/medicaid. In general you get on a waiting lists. Of course, it has to match your histochemistry and size (the liver from a 10 y.o. is not going to go into a person of say 300-400 lb). BTW, my mother-in-law just had a kidney put in (here in colorado). It took 2 years. Chance are that Jobs waited 2-3 years for one.

    What is impressive is that he did not go to India. Many of the wealthy like to go to India to buy them. LITERALLY. There are operations there that run out and steal the organs from a number of live ppl, or will take them from ppl dying of aids and other diseases (but claim otherwise). In spite of this, westerners run out there, pay the 20K and get the operations. That is because India has their money tied to the dollar, so from our POV, it is cheap.
  • by Hubbell (850646) <brianhubbellii@l i v e .com> on Saturday June 20, 2009 @08:09AM (#28401147)
    Yea, waiting 6 months to get an MRI after a 90kph motorcycle accident in Canada is oh so good (friend of mine) Or lets try Britain:
    That is why the Orwellian named NICE, National Institute for Clinical Effectiveness, in Britain recently ruled that it would not pay for treatment for macular degeneration for seniors until the patient went blind in one eye. Seniors have been denied treatments for cancer on the same grounds. [spectator.org]

    Socialized medicine means healthcare rationing just as it does in every country that has it.
  • by tverbeek (457094) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @08:19AM (#28401205) Homepage
    Recovery time is going to depend a lot on the patient's condition before the transplant, including why they needed it, so comparing one person's to another's requires taking that into account.
  • Re:Proof / Evidence (Score:5, Informative)

    by bkaul (1235970) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @08:33AM (#28401283)
    Running the article doesn't violate anything. It's the doctors/hospital who are restricted by HIPPA, not the press.
  • Speaking as a doctor (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 20, 2009 @09:21AM (#28401617)

    Organ transplants are, with a few exceptions, usually contraindicated in cancer patients - especially when the cause of the failure of the organ is metastasis. But I guess if you're Steve Jobs, money truly CAN buy anything. The rest of us mortals however would be allowed to die quicker.

  • by c4t3y3 (1571639) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @09:31AM (#28401681)
    The following is taken from Daring Fireball [daringfireball.net], one of the few reliable sources of Apple info on the Internet.

    The Timing of Steve Jobs's Liver Transplant [health-cares.net] I'm curious about the reported timing. The Journal story [google.com] says "about two months ago", but I heard from a bunch of sources last week at WWDC that Jobs had been seen on campus the week before - i.e. about two weeks ago. I mean, he was there walking around, giving people hell like usual. Regarding recuperating time, the Journal story has this sentence:

    Recovery from a liver transplant is relatively fast, said William Chapman, a specialist at Washington University who has no direct knowledge of Mr. Jobsâ(TM)s case.

    But six weeks doesn't sound "relatively" fast, to me. It sounds crazy fast. I don't know how authoritative it is, but here's what health-cares.net says regarding liver transplant patients:

    After discharge from the hospital, patients are seen every week (for approximately three weeks) in the outpatient clinic for an examination and monitoring of blood tests. During this time, medications are adjusted based on the levels found in your blood. After approximately one month, patients are usually seen only two to three times during the first year. Also beginning at one month, blood is checked every other week; eventually, it is checked only once a month. Most patients are encouraged to resume physical activity, including work, after three to six months, depending on their recovery. Patients may resume heavy activity, including workouts, at six months.

    So I'm thinking that if Steve Jobs had a liver transplant, it was more than "about two months" ago.

  • Re:How much (Score:5, Informative)

    by strstrep (879828) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @09:45AM (#28401813)

    From TFA, Tennessee has a shorter wait time than most states: 48 days, instead of 306 nationally. That would be my guess as to why Tennessee.

  • by BasilBrush (643681) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @10:19AM (#28402053)

    If your country has socialized medicine; then I'm guessing that people go OUTSIDE the system (or even the country) to get the best care possible.

    Well to save you from guessing, I'll tell you how it is in the UK. The vast majority of people use the National Health Service all the time (what you call "socialized" medicine). Some people go outside the system (private) if they can afford it and they want a nice private room rather than a ward, or to get minor procedures done at a time to suit them, rather then wait. Or if they want unnecessary work such as plastic surgery done. But if you have something SERIOUS wrong, like you've had a heart attack, or you need a liver transplant. Then the NHS is the place to be. They have the specialists and the equipment needed to give you the best care, not the private hospitals.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 20, 2009 @11:17AM (#28402453)

    Next you'll be demanding equal access to sex or no sex for anyone

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 20, 2009 @11:43AM (#28402561)

    Health care isn't a right. A right is something you have when you're born. When you're born, you already have all the basic freedoms listed in the US Bill of Rights. Rights are something other people can try to take away, not something other people give to you.

    For instance, the 2nd amendment: Right to bear arms. That doesn't mean the government issues you a gun, that just means the government can't take away a gun that you have.

    So if you want an amendment saying that the government can't take away your health care or deny you coverage, that's fine, that's a right. But saying that it's a right to be given health care doesn't make sense.

    I'm not saying whether socialized medicine is good or bad, I'm just saying that health care isn't a right.

    In Steve Jobs' case, he's willing (and has the ability) to spend more money to buy the best medical care possible. It's as if he took his car to the best mechanic possible, or had his house remodeled by the best contractor possible. Health care is a service just like any other, and the more you pay for it, the better service you get. Now, because health care can be life-or-death, I see why people would want to make sure that people who can't afford good service get it anyway.

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  • by bendodge (998616) <bendodge@@@bsgprogrammers...com> on Saturday June 20, 2009 @11:49AM (#28402593) Homepage Journal

    The true measure of a society is not how they treat the most valued, but how they treat the most despised.

    Wrong. The true measure of a society is how they treat the most helpless, not the most despised. The two groups are not the same, and the subtle substitution of words like "despised", "minority", "underprivileged", etc. is a cornerstone of socialistic thought. In other words, you redefine the people who need help as the people who didn't help themselves, rather than the people who couldn't. At its core, socialism is a removal of individual consequences for individual actions.

  • by unity100 (970058) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @01:37PM (#28403381) Homepage Journal

    there are lots of problems with EVERYthing that mankind has today. EVERY single thing.

    what matters is using the LEAST problematic ones. like democracy. it has a LOT of problems, but it is the best we CURRENTLY have. until we discover something better, we will use it, and keep patching its issues.

    same goes for socialized healthcare and sweden.

  • by lawpoop (604919) on Saturday June 20, 2009 @07:02PM (#28405827) Homepage Journal

    The generations before my parents, my grandparents and up managed to be healthy and afford their doctors on the wages of working men and women. What's changed?

    Do you live in an alternate universe? Our grandparents and ancestors further back lived lives with more horror and misery than you can imagine. Calvin Coolidge's son died from an infection in a blister on his hand he got from playing tennis on the White House tennis courts. Even the president's son died from a fucking blister. And people *couldn't* afford doctors. They had to save up and pool money to get treatment -- that's the whole reason why health insurance was started.

    Just read any history book about some 100 years ago. If you lived to be fifty you were lucky -- you lived to be an old person. If you got to be that old, you were probably house-ridden from arthritis -- no arthritis drugs back then. People were dropping from the flu, typhoid, whooping cough, scarlet fever. If you really want to see ghastly, read up on Diphtheria [wikipedia.org]. Bacterial growth causes a membrane to form over a persons throat, and they suffocate to death in the course of a few hours. Parents literally cradled their children for hours while they turned blue and died.

    Hardly any body was healthy back in the day. 50% of babies died in the first year of infancy. 50% of the survivors died before they were 25. If you made it to 25, you stood a good chance of making it to fifty, or "old age".

  • by Falconhell (1289630) on Sunday June 21, 2009 @08:29PM (#28415329) Journal

    WFT???

    A chiro visit in Australia costs exactly the smae whether insured or not.

    Seriously, if this happens in the US your healthcare is even more fucked up than I thought!

  • by Achromatic1978 (916097) <robertNO@SPAMchromablue.net> on Monday June 22, 2009 @01:09AM (#28417411)
    As someone who moved from Melbourne to Seattle two years ago (and now works in the healthcare industry here), "Yes! Our healthcare is even more fucked up than you thought!"

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