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Methane On Mars May Indicate Living Planet 200

Riding with Robots writes "NASA is announcing today that the definitive detection of methane in the Martian atmosphere means the planet is still alive, at least geologically, and perhaps even biologically. 'Methane is quickly destroyed in the Martian atmosphere in a variety of ways, so our discovery of substantial plumes of methane in the northern hemisphere of Mars indicates some ongoing process is releasing the gas,' said one agency scientist. The gas was detected with observations made over over several Martian years with NASA telescopes at Mauna Kea, Hawaii. Both biological and geological processes could explain the methane."
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Methane On Mars May Indicate Living Planet

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  • by Daniel Dvorkin ( 106857 ) * on Thursday January 15, 2009 @04:32PM (#26472779) Homepage Journal

    This joke and others like it would be a lot funnier if not for the fact that methane is odorless. It's not the methane you smell in farts, it's all the other stuff the gas picks up on its passage through, well, a tube full of shit.

  • by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @05:08PM (#26473417)
    I suspect that we don't know enough about how planets with atmospheres but no life behave to be able to determine if there were a chemical equilibrium or not. I also suspect that the people at NASA and most credible scientists believe that the chance of other life in our solar system is very small, but should be investigated anyway.
  • by Kupfernigk ( 1190345 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @05:10PM (#26473433)
    We've only explored one planet seriously, and looked at a tiny bit of a moon with extreme temperature variation. Almost everywhere we look on the planet - water, air, surface, crevices in rocks - we find lots of living things and the remains of even more. We find things like thiobacter concretivorans chewing up nuclear reactors. We find complex features that arise through different biological routes - image forming eyes evolve separately at least twice. We find a variety of body plans. We find two different data storage systems, DNA and RNA. The evidence so far is that life appears all over the place and can inhabit moderately sever environments so long as it has a source of energy, an electrolyte, and some stuff around the place suitable for building molecules based on carbon backbones.

    Putting aside some books written by people who thought the Earth was flat, the evidence to date is that where life is possible, there you find it. If you even half accept Popper's falsificationism, it is up to the people who believe that life doesn't appear wherever it is possible to prove that there is no life on Mars. People who believe that life on Mars is probable are actually just accepting that the cumulative evidence of experience is likely to be correct.

  • by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @05:19PM (#26473653)
    I also suspect that the people at NASA and most credible scientists believe that the chance of other life in our solar system is very small, but should be investigated anyway.

    Or perhaps it is just that the people at NASA have figured out that holding up the _possibility_ of other life in our solar system is their surest bet for justifying their continued employment? It is obviously a geologic process, but planetary science is boring... "little green men", on the other hand, is a subject that really gets the ignorant taxpayers excited.

  • by PapayaSF ( 721268 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @05:46PM (#26474243) Journal

    I generally agree, but the Gaia hypothesis [wikipedia.org] says a trace amount of methane probably isn't evidence of life. Lovelock's argument regarding Mars was that if there was any life there, it would be easy to tell. The fact that extremophile life exists in niches on Earth doesn't really show that a small amount of extremophile life exists on Mars: over the eons it would have evolved, spread, and altered the Martian environment in ways easy to see. The theory doesn't rule out the possibility that there was once life on Mars that died out, though.

  • by Hillgiant ( 916436 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @05:50PM (#26474331)

    Yet he misspelled "from" consistently.

  • by pclminion ( 145572 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @06:24PM (#26474981)

    Science doesn't investigate only those things which seem "likely." If we operated that way we'd be nowhere by now.

    Coming from a background of ignorance, how "likely" would you think it was that a lump of some rare metal could be made to explode with the force of thousands of tons of TNT?

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @06:45PM (#26475361) Journal
    Did you miss the bit about methane having a very limited persistence in the Martian atmosphere, because of the UV?
  • by wilder_card ( 774631 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @06:54PM (#26475521)
    Hey, if it's "obviously" a geologic process, would you mind exactly WHAT process it is? Keep in mind that Mars has no current volcanic activity. And if there is/was no life, it's not a fossil fuel.
  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @07:14PM (#26475841) Homepage Journal

    over the eons it would have evolved, spread, and altered the Martian environment in ways easy to see.

    What would you be looking for that would be easy to see?

  • by CheshireCatCO ( 185193 ) on Thursday January 15, 2009 @08:31PM (#26476693) Homepage

    Er, no. Just... no. Why would a previous solar system be needed if we can't (by your implicitly logic) form it in ours?

    Methane can easily form in the protosolar nebula and because it was so cold far from the protosun, freeze into ices. The ices went on to compose much of the giant planets and their moons. Since carbon is a relatively abundant element in the universe (and hydrogen is obviously even more so), a lot of methane would have formed. All you need to put the two elements into proximity and wait a bit, no need to invoke a previous solar system. (You do need a previous generation of star to make the carbon, though.)

    Methane on Mars is a different story. You don't expect methane there in any abundance because a) it never was there in large quantities (no ices in that region) and b) what was delivered there can quite reasonably be expected to have broken down by now.

    Also, Europa has no lakes, methane or otherwise.

  • by E++99 ( 880734 ) on Friday January 16, 2009 @12:42AM (#26478543) Homepage

    There's nothing inherent in life that suggest that it a) be visible to humans, b) cover the surface of the planet, c) visibly (to humans) change the landscape, or even d) ever live on the planet's surface.

    I don't know if the methane is produced by life forms or not. But if it is, I don't think the discovery will be as earth-shattering as it is typically made out to be. I think most people pretty much assume there are other life forms out there somewhere. It could lead to scientific insights once we're able to bring a sample back to earth to examine, but that will be a very long time, and if it ends up looking pretty much like earth life, there won't be that much insight to glean after all.

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