Scientists Erase Specific Memories In Mice 320
Ostracus writes "It sounds like science fiction, but scientists say it might one day be possible to erase undesirable memories from the brain, selectively and safely. After exposing mice to emotionally powerful stimuli, such as a mild shock to their paws, the scientists then observed how well or poorly the animals subsequently recalled the particular trauma as their brain's expression of CaMKII was manipulated up and down. When the brain was made to overproduce CaMKII at the exact moment the mouse was prodded to retrieve the traumatic memory, the memory wasn't just blocked, it appeared to be fully erased."
Everlasting Sunlight of the Spot-Free Brain (Score:5, Insightful)
erase undesirable memories (Score:5, Insightful)
[...]erase undesirable memories[...]
undesirable for whom? While this might positively applicaple for e.g. victims of rape there are tons of possible missuses which really should be feared.
Re:Goatse (Score:5, Insightful)
All memory of Goatse could be erased! That has to count for SOMETHING.
Jup. It does.
Being shocked by goatse the same amount as if seeing it for the first time. Great. Hooray.
Re:handy for interogation (Score:1, Insightful)
The tortured person may wonder how their fingernails got ripped off though.
Enforceable NDA's (Score:3, Insightful)
So soon we will have truly enforceable NDA's.
Re:Goatse (Score:5, Insightful)
Self-amputation? (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe I am just grouchy but...
Even for traumatic memories, I would choose healing and closure over forgetfulness anytime. I may like it or not, but I am the sum of all the things I experienced, and I am not looking forward to self-amputation.
On the other hand, I understand that achieving healing and closure is a very inefficient process - just being able to erase unpleasant experiences would probably set us free to pursue more worthy achievements, like making the current global economic breakdown ever worse...
Again, sorry for ranting.
I'd totally steal Kate Winslet's panties. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:erase undesirable memories (Score:4, Insightful)
My life was far from painless, but I regret no single decision and want no memory to definitely fade away. I treat every unpleasant moment, every "evil" done to me as a lesson, and forgetting what I've learned would be like... devolution. It's my personal point of view, but I believe that everything that ever happened to someone, had happened for a reason.
It really does already happen (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:erase undesirable memories (Score:5, Insightful)
Another "positive" application?
Once this gets into pill or injectable form, I'd imagine governments and military organizations will have spotless human rights records.
Re:erase undesirable memories (Score:3, Insightful)
Why not remove the middle-man and take a pill that makes you happy? Let's be honest that is what your suggestion is all about.
Re:erase undesirable memories (Score:3, Insightful)
And this is precisely why nobody should want to have a memory erased. No matter how painful, each thing that has happened to us has shaped us into who we are today. Change one thing in your past, even the memory of one thing, and you can become a totally different person. The lessons you learn from bad experiences are very valuable, and are worth far more than relieving the pain of that memory.
what's goatse.cx? (Score:3, Insightful)
There are many memories that I would like to erase but I would like to also retain my memory of what it is I don't want to look at. What's the use of eradicating the distended anus from my mind if I go and innocently follow a goatse.cx link again? I'd rather it be like 2 girls 1 cup, I found out what that was before I ever clicked on it, thank Cthulhu.
Maybe we could implant a post-hypnotic warning in our brains, like when Gandalf tried to touch the One Ring and got the warning flash of evil in his brain? So if I mouse over to a link leading to 4chan I'll feel a cloud of evil pass over my mind and know not to click.
Scary (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Everlasting Sunlight of the Spot-Free Brain (Score:5, Insightful)
Part of what makes war a "last resort" option is the horror that it causes. If we removed the pain of war, perhaps it would become far to easy to wage it.
Unfortunately, this has already happened. There was a time when the leaders didn't "send" soldiers off to war, they "led" them. Today, no leader will ever see a battlefield, so the pain and horror of war no longer deters leaders from starting wars.
War hasn't been a "last resort" for a very long time. All too often it's the first resort.
Sobering (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Everlasting Sunlight of the Spot-Free Brain (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Self-amputation? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder how many crusaders, people spending their lives to right the injustices of the world, there would be if they could just remove those troublesome memories and go on with their lives. Would there be anything left to motivate us to make the world a better place?
Wrong on two counts (Score:4, Insightful)
They did not erase anything. They PREVENTED.
What they prevented was an association of the memory for the event and the "trauma", which is pain. They tested for reactions associated with the pain. Some say there is no memory for pain, only for painful events. I disagree in that some people retain some memory of pain, and a few retain it well, while most retain memory of the event and have an association to an implicit (non-conscious) memory of pain. They managed to prevent more so what often doesn't happen anyway.
The only thing they *could* have tested was association to the pain. To test for the memory of the event they'd have had to ask the mice what they recalled. I'm pretty sure they didn't. Doing so would imply they expected the mice to answer.
Re:Everlasting Sunlight of the Spot-Free Brain (Score:3, Insightful)
And yet, that never seemed to deter them. In fact, many of them appeared to have enjoyed it immensely. Note that even in that era, the leader would have the best armor, the best weapons, and be surrounded by a unit of his most elite troops. Getting yourself killed or seriously injured was not completely unknown, but was pretty rare.
War has never been a "last resort". I'd argue that it's actually as a general rule less lightly entered into today than at any time before in history. Although one can certainly say that there are a lot of people who still find it the preferred option.