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NASA Space Science

Endeavour Rolled Out As Rescue Ship 110

stoolpigeon writes "The space shuttle Endeavour was rolled out to Launch Pad 39B yesterday. Space shuttle Atlantis is already at Launch Pad 39A, being made ready for the STS-125 mission to repair Hubble. We recently got a look at some behind-the-scenes photos for this mission. Endeavour is now in place to act as a rescue vehicle if there are any problems with Atlantis, once they are in space. This is the first time one shuttle has been prepared to act as a rescue vehicle for another. If all goes well for STS-125, Endeavour will move over to 39A to be used for STS-126."
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Endeavour Rolled Out As Rescue Ship

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  • Direct link (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kagura ( 843695 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @09:19AM (#25084361)
    Direct link for the photos, since it's not actually in the article: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/09/preparing_to_rescue_hubble.html [boston.com]

    Also, karma whore.
  • by rsmith-mac ( 639075 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @09:35AM (#25084439)

    Hook up and pull them if they get stranded ?

    Actually yes, that's the idea. The concern is that the ever so fragile titles may be greatly damaged ala Columbia, in which case someone needs to come pick up the astronauts stranded in Atlantis, because it can't be flown back in to the Earth's atmosphere and it can't be flown to the ISS. Since the Columbia incident all missions have been to the ISS or to a point in space where you can reach the ISS. This is not possible with the Hubble mission, it's too far away for the shuttle's limited fuel supply.

  • by stoolpigeon ( 454276 ) * <bittercode@gmail> on Saturday September 20, 2008 @09:35AM (#25084441) Homepage Journal

    This is in case there is a problem on launch that allows Atlantis to make it to orbit, but it is too damaged to safely return. They would launch Endeavour to join Atlantis in orbit, they would use the robotic arms to pull the two vehicles together and then transfer crew from one to the other.
     
      This msnbc article on it [msn.com] has some more details. I'd have linked that article for the submission - but I didn't see it until later, and the NASA site didn't have a permalink for their page on it at the time.

  • by stoolpigeon ( 454276 ) * <bittercode@gmail> on Saturday September 20, 2008 @09:40AM (#25084465) Homepage Journal

    I think all the missions since the Columbia accident have been to the ISS. (I could be wrong - just going by memory) And when they go there they have multiple options for getting back, other than the shuttle they took to get up there.
     
    When Atlantis goes to Hubble - if they have a Colombia repeat - with damage to a wing or something- they will have no way to come down safely. This gives them one option.

  • by cyclone96 ( 129449 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @10:53AM (#25084905)

    Pay the Russians to get a Soyuz ready? Although it might take two trips...

    The orbital inclination of Hubble is 28.5 degrees (essentially due east from Kennedy Space Center). The Soyuz pad at Baikonur is too far north to reach that inclination without doing a plane change, which takes more propellant than Soyuz carries.

  • Re:Direct link (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 20, 2008 @10:57AM (#25084927)

    And here's the link to the NASA source [nasa.gov] which skips the "registration required" Boston Times. Sorry, New York Globe. No, wait, Boston Globe. I always get those two confused since they're (literally) the same damned paper.

    AC so as NOT to karma whore.

  • by cyclone96 ( 129449 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @11:11AM (#25084999)

    I was wondering though does the ISS have more than one place to dock a shuttle? Or do they have to somehow undock the damaged craft after the crew disembark and then dock the rescue craft? Or does the whole rescue process happen while both craft are undocked and the crew do a cool space dive between shuttles?

    The damaged orbiter is undocked first by remote control from the ground. The crew needs to install a cable to allow the command to open the docking system hooks (which is normally a push button the crew performs on the aft flight deck) to be sent from the ground.

    If you really want to see everything in excruciating detail, this NASA pdf has it...
    http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/153444main_CSCS_Resource_%20Book.pdf [nasa.gov]

  • by cyclone96 ( 129449 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @11:20AM (#25085039)

    The cost is actually far less than you believe. The "rescue" shuttle is simply the vehicle for the next flight (minus payload). It's already going through the normal processing flow to ready it for its planned launch in November. The additional cost to protect for a rescue mission is in the low millions.

  • by cyclone96 ( 129449 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @11:47AM (#25085257)

    He did say it might take two trips.

    One Soyuz couldn't get there but two, flown serially, certainly could.

    I think the extra trips was referring to the number of crew members onboard the orbiter (since Soyuz only has three seats, and really you do need two people to fly it).

    I don't understand how flying Soyuz "serially" is going to get it to 28.5, if you could elaborate. The amount of propellant to do that kind of plane change is enormous, even the shuttle (which was designed do a lot of maneuvering) is only capable of doing a couple of degrees.

  • by WankersRevenge ( 452399 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @02:36PM (#25086525)
    From this article [msn.com]: Pad 39B, meanwhile, is due to be turned over to NASA's Constellation program to be modified to launch the agency's new Ares 1 rockets. The launch vehicle is being designed to loft the agency's Orion shuttle successor into orbit by 2014 and on to the moon by 2020. The first Ares 1 test flight is set for June 2009.
  • by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @03:08PM (#25086753) Journal

    STS-35 and STS-41 (yes, that long ago) were two shuttle missions that had its shuttles out on pads at the same time as well. Pictars:
    http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/images/pao/STS41/10064404.jpg [nasa.gov]
    http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/images/pao/STS41/10064405.jpg [nasa.gov]

    Sadly they did not launch together.. now that'd be quite the sight.

    Anyway, I'm hoping to see lots and lots of awesome imagery of this setup, as it will indeed most likely be the last time we'll be able to see this again outside of Hollywood.

  • by DerekLyons ( 302214 ) <fairwater@@@gmail...com> on Saturday September 20, 2008 @04:42PM (#25087371) Homepage

    Will it be possible to dock a remote controlled craft to it? If yes, wouldn't it make sense to design one that can move the HST to an orbit with a different inclination so it can be serviced again in a couple of years? There was talk about de-orbiting Hubble safely at the end of its life, so why not "de-orbit" it to an orbit that's close to the ISS?

     

    1. That would take an enormous amount of fuel, about ten Shuttle flights worth.
    2. A craft to Shuttle between ISS and Hubble that can support a serving mission doesn't exist anyhow.
  • Re:Move? Why Move? (Score:3, Informative)

    by toddestan ( 632714 ) on Saturday September 20, 2008 @06:49PM (#25088389)

    Launch Pad 39B was deactivated as a shuttle launch pad when the number of shuttle missions was slashed, and it currently being remodeled for the Ares rocket. They knew they were going to need 39B again for this shuttle mission, so they presumably left all the hardware in place so it could launch a shuttle if need be, but once 39A opens up again they are going to want to get the shuttle out of the way so they can continue with the remodeling.

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