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SpaceX Conducts Full Thrust Firing of Falcon 9 79

Toren Altair sends us this excerpt: "Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) conducted the first nine engine firing of its Falcon 9 launch vehicle at its Texas Test Facility outside McGregor on July 31st. A second firing on August 1st completed a major NASA Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) milestone almost two months early. At full power, the nine engines consumed 3,200 lbs of fuel and liquid oxygen per second, and generated almost 850,000 pounds of force — four times the maximum thrust of a 747 aircraft. This marks the first firing of a Falcon 9 first stage with its full complement of nine Merlin 1C engines. Once a near term Merlin 1C fuel pump upgrade is complete, the sea level thrust will increase to 950,000 lbf, making Falcon 9 the most powerful single core vehicle in the United States. The Falcon 9 will launch SpaceX's spaceship Dragon with up to 7 humans from 2009 on." We discussed SpaceX when it won the NASA competition to provide low cost commercial transport to the ISS, and also when it launched an earlier design. Basic specs for Falcon 9 are available, as well as a more technical paper (PDF).
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SpaceX Conducts Full Thrust Firing of Falcon 9

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  • by fsh ( 751959 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @02:52AM (#24445543)
    By far the hardest part about launching humans into orbit is building a rocket capable of getting them up there. All the stuff necessary to sustain life adds a lot of weight, but it's no more (or less) difficult to engineer than any other satellite launched into orbit. Look at the Apollo lunar lander. That thing had panels you could *punch* through. The astronauts during testing were told that the flimsiness of the lander wouldn't be a problem in space when they were weightless....

    In any case, thorough testing of the launch vehicle is absolutely necessary if for no other reason than to know the weight limit for the manned payload. But the design of the launch vehicle is robust (it can withstand various failures without scrubbing). Also, they'll be using these same engines (the Merlin 1C) in smaller launch vehicles, so they'll have plenty of reliability information.

    To top it off, they're running a couple months early. As far as I see, they shouldn't have too many difficulties for a 2009 launch. *

    * - God willing and the creek don't rise. **
    ** - Er, that is, God willing and the funding don't dry up.

    -fsh PS - Although I don't have personal experience in the aerospace industry, I'm doing research at an observatory right now. Not that that means anything, I just like telling people that I'm working at an observatory right now!

  • I've been there. =) (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Forrest Kyle ( 955623 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @03:01AM (#24445583) Homepage
    I go to Baylor University, which is close to the SpaceX test site. A bunch of engineering students (myself included) got to take a tour of the facility. We rode this rickety little elevator to the top of of the test stand. The test stand is a gigantic concrete superstructure that is like 300 ft high or so. I had to pee really bad. Luckily there was a port-a-potty at the bottom.

    It was really exciting to see real rocket work going on in person. The "mission control" room was such a nerd fantasy. There was a big swath of giant flat screen monitors, each glowing with thin, phosphorescent lines of data. The glut of wires, tubes, ratings, warning signs, and big pieces of scary looking equipment made it a fantastic afternoon overall.

    I wish Elon Musk all the luck in the world, and I hope someday I can afford to drive around in a Tesla Motors car.

    Oh, and the test site is located at an old weapons test site. There are all these weird looking bunkers peppering the surrounding countryside. It felt like a scene from a Marvel comic or something. Unfortunately nothing went wrong and I failed to develop super powers due to radiation exposure.

    I fully realize this comment contributed almost nothing to the discussion of the article, except to brag that I've been there and to share my excitement over all the loud, large, and complicated stuff they have.
  • Re:hehehe (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@yahoGINSBERGo.com minus poet> on Saturday August 02, 2008 @03:16AM (#24445675) Homepage Journal
    Teleporters are crude. Since matter is just energy with an information matrix overlaid in which the physical location is part of that information, altering the matrix should alter the position of the matter without the need for a teleport system with its inherent problems of information bandwidth and Heisenberg uncertainty. Of course, that's not going to happen next year (or even another hundred years). Direct manipulation of the information that binds energy to form matter is unlikely to be possible for another 500 - 1000 years. Add another 50 - 60 before it becomes possible to use that ability to transport macroscale objects, such as people, safely and reliably.
  • Re:Duh (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @03:43AM (#24445761)
    There was a problem or two with the aerospike... I have information that some problems have been solved.

    One problem the aerospike has suffered from has been common to all single-stage-to-orbit engines: a nozzle of one shape may give optimum thrust at rest, at sea-level pressure, but be relatively inefficient at high velocity in the upper atmosphere. Optimize for one situation and you lose efficiency at the other. I know of an innovation or two that just might help the aerospike overcome this limitation, to an extent not possible with conventional nozzles. We shall see.
    --
    "As a matter of fact, I am a rocket scientist."
  • by fsh ( 751959 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @03:57AM (#24445801)

    Yeah but NASA are fantastic engineers. Their interface design and validation are orders of magnitude ahead of anybody else.

    NASA didn't design the LEM, Northrop Grumman did. Spacecraft are designed by aerospace companies (like Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Rockwell, and now SpaceX), and then NASA picks the design they like best. The best engineers are typically at the private companies because the pay is better than at government run NASA.

    Consider the first shuttle flight. [...] And it worked first time. They were hot at the time, coming off the experience of Apollo.

    Well, the first space shuttle, the Enterprise, never went to space. It's easy to have a successful first flight when you have the resources to build a full size scale model to 'test' with. And they weren't coming hot off Apollo; the space shuttle was about a decade later.

    The most complex and unlikely machine (pretty much) ever built.

    They made it needlessly complex. This is why they have had, and continue to have, so many problems. The designers promised several launches each month and a payload cost in $50-$100 per pound range.

    The scientific community at the time said much the same things about the shuttle design that they currently say about the ISS; that it's too much money for too little return. Some even go so far as to suggest these overly-complex plans, pushed on the unsupportive science community are essentially aerospace company welfare.

  • Mod parent up (Score:5, Interesting)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @04:50AM (#24446013) Journal
    our problem has been that NASA has not been willing to use redundant systems. Even now, NASA has given spacex a COTS-C contract (cargo), but is fighting giving spacex a cots-d contract(humans). COTs-D is where the real money AND need is. Even now, EU has their ATV for putting up cargo, and Japan is looking to have theirs next year. After the shuttle retires, That will leave the world with only 2 human launchers; Russia and China. Russia is fine with that. They are currently charging 50 million / PERSON. Spacex is looking to charge 50-100 million for 7 ppl. And it gets worse. If something happens to Russia (say a new flaw shows up), then it would only be China that could keep the ISS going.

    America NEEDS spacex (and Orbital Transport as well). So does the rest of the ISS team.
  • Re:hehehe (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ScottKin ( 34718 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @06:39AM (#24446331) Homepage Journal

    Absolutely!

    Don't forget the number of launch failures that happened at Cape Canaveral / Cape Kennedy. Some of the more spectacular ones happened when the Gemini missions were going, and they had some fairly spectacular aborts / KATOs with the early Saturn I test launches, along with some equally spectacular engine failures for both the F1 and J1 engines, along with the early tests of the STS Engines - the bells were apparently not as robust as planned, and the engine bells went into a harmonic coupling that made them look like they were made of jello...and then abruptly collapsed at the test stands at Marshall. "Rocket Science" only works after you've destroyed several prototypes in the design and test process.

    No, I don't work for NASA, but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

    --ScottKin

  • by lxs ( 131946 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @07:25AM (#24446461)

    And they weren't coming hot off Apollo; the space shuttle was about a decade later.

    Actually they were coming hot off the Apollo. Nixon gave the go-ahead for the shuttle project while still being in office. It's just that by the time the first shuttle was finally launched into space, after many setbacks and delays partly due to the needless complexity (mandated by the military who wanted greater glide capability), Apollo started to become a distant memory.

     

  • by ClayJar ( 126217 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @09:39AM (#24447003) Homepage

    So what he's saying is, they can afford to have engines become nonfunctional (obviously not explosively so.)

    Actually, from what I read, the Merlin 1C engines are protected with respect to the catastrophic disassembly of one of their fellows. I'm not sure how big a boom the Kevlar shielding can take in terms of preventing a multi-boom situation, but it's there to stop debris from a failed engine from turning into a chain-reaction failure.

  • by FlatEric521 ( 1164027 ) on Saturday August 02, 2008 @10:37AM (#24447427)

    Consider the first shuttle flight. [...] And it worked first time. They were hot at the time, coming off the experience of Apollo.

    Well, the first space shuttle, the Enterprise, never went to space. It's easy to have a successful first flight when you have the resources to build a full size scale model to 'test' with. And they weren't coming hot off Apollo; the space shuttle was about a decade later.

    No, those were just drop tests to see how the shuttle glided. The shuttle is notable in NASA history for being the first manned vehicle to not have an unmanned test in full launch configuration. Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo all had unmanned test launches of the vehicle. The first time a shuttle (Columbia) was sent into orbit, there were two crew members on board.

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