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Nasa Details Shuttle's Retirement 400

schliz writes "Nasa has announced that it intends to officially retire the aging space shuttle fleet by 2010, four years before it has a replacement craft ready. The space shuttle fleet will make ten more flights, mainly to add modules to the International Space Station and carry out repairs and upgrades to the Hubble orbital telescope. The retirement will leave the US without orbital capacity for at least four years, until the Ares booster programme is complete. European and Russian launchers will service the space station in the meantime."
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Nasa Details Shuttle's Retirement

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  • NASA, not Nasa (Score:5, Informative)

    by gunnk ( 463227 ) <{gunnk} {at} {mail.fpg.unc.edu}> on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:24AM (#24115963) Homepage
    Come on, folks! It's News for Nerds, you should know better!

    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    (or, National Acronym Society of America) In either case, not Nasa.
  • by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:41AM (#24116271)

    From what I could find, Obama only plans to cut the Constellaton program, which is Bush's plan to send people to Mars (I guess to search for oil or terrorists). He has stated he supports funding other programs (see spacepolitics.com [spacepolitics.com] for examples).

  • Baby steps (Score:5, Informative)

    by mangu ( 126918 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:45AM (#24116337)

    The space program became too costly. The shuttle was announced as a cost-saving project, a reusable space craft. The problem is that they should have tried to crawl before they tried to walk.

    There were projects in the late 1950s, the X-15 and the Dyna-Soar, to develop reusable "space planes", but not much came of them. The logical progression would have been to improve and expand these, but instead they chose to try to adapt existing disposable rockets into a reusable spacecraft.

    Okay, government tried and ultimately failed, now private enterprise has started from where the X-15 and X-20 stopped [wikipedia.org]. Let's see how it goes.

  • Re:Just plain sad (Score:4, Informative)

    by camperdave ( 969942 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:49AM (#24116405) Journal
    Roofers alone are #3 in Wikipedia's list.

    Yeah! If by #3 you mean fifth. Pilots, miners, highrise steel workers, and pilots all rank above roofers.
  • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:54AM (#24116477)

    If a spy sattelite (or any other sattelite) needs to go up, heavy boosters such as the Delta or Atlas will be used. If its an old one that needs to be dealt with, they would probably just shoot it out of the sky like they did last time.

  • Re:Seems foolish (Score:3, Informative)

    by sm62704 ( 957197 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @09:55AM (#24116497) Journal

    I had to look up SRB in wikipedia to figure out what you were referring to. The I said "duh, I'm stupid". Solid Rocket Booster (smacks self on head)

  • by Samy Merchi ( 1297447 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @10:37AM (#24117373) Homepage
    Obama plans to cut all manned spaceflight program, which includes the shuttle replacement (Crew Exploration Vehicle/Orion). So while NASA's current plan might be 2014 for the shuttle replacement, if Obama is elected, we'll be looking at 2019 at the earliest. It'll probably be even longer than that, because after budget is slashed, come on now -- do you really believe it'll go back up again? It's always easy to slash, but NASA will have to fight tooth and nail to get those monies back again after the five years delay is over. Bottom line, if Obama is elected, the US is facing a decade+ of lacking the capability of sending humans into space.
  • Re:Just plain sad (Score:3, Informative)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @10:38AM (#24117403)
    It's funny that you mentioned that. Last year, the rover team announced that it would have to discontinue the Mars rover program due to funding cuts. The two rovers would have to be put into permanent hibernation until later. The shortfall was $4 million of the annual $20 million budget of the program. Some estimates put the cost of Iraq at $17 million per hour. [blogspot.com] Maybe it was the bad press, but NASA then came back and said it would find the money somehow.
  • Re:How come? (Score:3, Informative)

    by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @10:43AM (#24117543)
    Also NASA was given a presidential directive [wikipedia.org] to get a man on mars by 2037 or so. Of course, NASA wasn't given enough additional funding to do this. They were told to fund it by diverting the money from current programs, i.e. Space Shuttle.
  • Re:Just plain sad (Score:3, Informative)

    by DerekLyons ( 302214 ) <fairwater@gmaLISPil.com minus language> on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @10:46AM (#24117595) Homepage

    I'm having nostalgia for when our space program was a national priority.

    You're having nostalgia then for a time that only existed for a couple of brief years in the 1960's.
     
    Few people seem to know that NASA's budget was slashed nearly in half in 1967... Before we even landed on the moon four planned landing missions had been cut and Saturn V production halted.
     
    In the years since, various Presidents and Congresses have made Brave Patriotic Noises about the Wonders of having a Space Program. But those Patriotic Noises have never been accompanied by any actual money.

  • Obama only plans to cut the Constellaton program, which is Bush's plan to send people to Mars

    Sorry, you've been misinformed. The Constellation program is the program to build the Ares I and Ares V launch vehicles, along with the Orion crew capsule and Altair lander module. The roadmap of the Constellation program includes an eventual flight to Mars. However, no funding has been allocated for that leg of the program, nor has any planning in earnest been done.

    If Obama kills the Constellation program, the United States will be left without a manned space program. Period. End of story.

  • by carambola5 ( 456983 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @11:08AM (#24118001) Homepage

    The article you cite is from January. From Obama's current Pre-K-12 Education Plan PDF on his site:

    The early education plan will be paid for by delaying the NASA Constellation Program for five years...

    Delaying the Constellation program, which encompasses not only Mars missions, but also manned LEO and manned Lunar missions, will kill it. You can't lay off thousands of aerospace engineers for 5 years and expect them to willingly come back.

  • by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @11:08AM (#24118011) Homepage

    No they didn't. Buran made its first test flight a few months before the fall of the Soviet Union. Three additional orbiters were under construction at the time.

    The Buran program ended because the R&D was prohibitively expensive, and Russia had much bigger fish to fry in the early 1990s.

    Granted, it would have been nice if the remaining orbiters were kept in a building with a stable roof, but I suppose there's no point dwelling on all that now, even though I really would like to see it fly one more time....

  • Re:Just plain sad (Score:3, Informative)

    by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @11:41AM (#24118585)

    Did you know that you can link to a specific revision [wikipedia.org] of any Wikipedia article? I suggest doing so in the future, to prevent this problem.

  • Re:They did (Score:2, Informative)

    by Shakrai ( 717556 ) * on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @12:52PM (#24119733) Journal

    There's never been a 100 megaton H-bomb. The Russians tested a design [wikipedia.org] that was supposedly capable of 100 megatons but it was mainly a propaganda stunt (it was actually tested at around 50 megatons). Such weapons are too large to be practical and so inefficient that they aren't worthwhile to use even if you have a delivery system that lug them around.

  • by rubah ( 1197475 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @01:02PM (#24119903) Homepage

    http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlights/schedule.html [nasa.gov]

    There's the page that details the last launches in case you wanted to take the chance and see one. I've never seen one yet, but I'd like to. *gotta hurry*

  • Re:They did (Score:4, Informative)

    by Lord Apathy ( 584315 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @01:15PM (#24120111)

    No, we worried about our buildings being melted into heaps of slag by having 100 megaton H-bombs

    No you didn't. There never was a 100 megaton H-bomb. The USSR designed one, Tzar I think, but it was more of a dick size experiment. The thing was the size of a locomotive. Way to big to be of any practical value. Hell, even they where afraid of the thing. When they tested it, they tested it at half yield, 52 Megatons.

    Most US weapons where and remain in the 30-100+ KT range. The US does have some larger warheads in the megaton range but none above 10. Most of them, the B-83 I believe, 1.2 megatons. The Soviets did field more weapons in the megaton range than the US but most of those were under 5 MT.

    The reason the US fields such smaller weapons that the USSR is accuracy. It has been said you can place a quarter in Red Square and the US could drop a warhead within 10 feet of it from anywhere in the world. Soviet weapons where not that accurate so the did use larger class warhead.

    Once you get above a certain size nuclear weapons don't scale very well. While that 100 megaton weapon may look awesome on paper, truthfully it won't do much more damage than a 5 megaton hit. With that being said it makes more sense to blanket a area with several "small" nukes that hit with one big one. You would hit the target in a staggered overlapping pattern so that if one weapon failed its area would still be in the blast area of several others.

    Don't ask me how I know all this.

  • Re:NASA, not Nasa (Score:3, Informative)

    by proxima ( 165692 ) on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @02:22PM (#24121211)

    Come on, folks! It's News for Nerds, you should know better!

    The New York Times has taken to turning acronyms into proper nouns, e.g. Nafta. Drives me nuts, but where the NYT goes, much of journalism follows sooner or later.

  • by isomeme ( 177414 ) <cdberry@gmail.com> on Wednesday July 09, 2008 @02:52PM (#24121789) Journal

    The retirement will leave the US without orbital capacity for at least four years

    That's a very misleading statement. We'll have no human orbital capacity, but plenty of expendable rockets for lobbing satellites and probes into space.

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