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Amputee Sprinter Wins Olympic Appeal to Compete 366

Dr. Eggman writes "Oscar Pistorius, a 21-year-old South African double-amputee sprinter, has won his appeal filed with the Court of Arbitration for Sport. This overturns a ban imposed by the International Association of Athletics Federations, and allows Mr. Pistorius the chance to compete against other able-bodied athletes for a chance at a place on the South African team for the Beijing Olympics. He currently holds the 400-meter Paralympic world sprinting record, but must improve on his time by 1.01 seconds to meet the Olympic qualification standard. However, even if Pistorius fails to get the qualifying time, South African selectors could add Oscar to the Olympic 1,600-meter relay squad."
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Amputee Sprinter Wins Olympic Appeal to Compete

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  • by erlehmann ( 1045500 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @07:47PM (#23441534)

    Artificial limbs, I see that. Now what is with someone who had laser surgery on his eyes so he/she can see better ? Would you ban that person from a shooting match ? Even if he/she still can't see better than a top athlete ? If the person can see on par ? Or better ?

    In the end, the questions we should ask ourselves probably are not about fairness but about the purpose of such games.

  • by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @07:47PM (#23441540) Homepage
    For some long distance events they've banned amputees because they have an advantage over normal runners. How long before sprinters gain an advantage as well?

    Will athletes start hacking their own legs off to get ahead?

  • Re:Deserves a chance (Score:3, Interesting)

    by amRadioHed ( 463061 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @07:51PM (#23441582)
    I don't understand why he deserves a chance. My body is not physically able to compete in the Olympics either. Same goes for almost everyone in the world. It's really no big deal.
  • Re:Cyborg Olympics (Score:3, Interesting)

    by neomunk ( 913773 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @08:04PM (#23441706)
    You guessed wrong: Lance Armstrong.

    But back on topic, this guy DOES enjoy a measurable mechanical advantage over his flesh and blood competitors. Yes, he had extra work to do to be able to use the devices, but by the same token we don't let pole vaulters (with pole) in the high-jump.

  • Re:How unfair... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by icegreentea ( 974342 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @08:40PM (#23442010)
    You have to flex your ankle to use them as springs. He doesn't. If that doesn't convince you, consider this. When you squat up and down, your legs essentially work like springs. Squat up and down. You'll get tired around 20-30 reps. Now imagine an actual spring. It does not get tired.
  • by I'm New Around Here ( 1154723 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @08:44PM (#23442032)
    That's nothing.

    In Hawaii, canoe racing is a big sport. Sport isn't even the right term. Fierce competition is more suitable. And there are Men's and Women's canoe clubs, the men's being slightly faster as usual. Well, one of the women's canoe clubs had a member who used to be a man. "She" had the operation and took the hormones, and legally was now a woman. Oh, the fit other clubs had over that situation, because she had a man's greater muscle mass and all that. Her club defended having her because legally she was a she, and besides all the hormones and therapy she was on actually made her less able to compete evenly because those drugs mess up the body to an extent, so they said.

    But the biggest concern that the oversight board had was that, in the future, if a man was not quite able to compete with other men, he might elect to go this route and join a women's club. That way he, or she, would be among the top athletes in her sport.

    Now I ask you, would you cut off your legs to compete in the Olympics, mabye even be guaranteed the gold medal? If the answer is yes, would you instead be willing to cut off other appendages and win the gold medal in the women's division of the same sport?
  • by Hans Lehmann ( 571625 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @09:02PM (#23442168)
    Interesting article on Hugh Herr, a scientist and also a double amputee, and how his opinions may have changed once he was an expert paid witness. http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-much-does-it-cost-to-buy-scientific.html [blogspot.com]
  • by heteromonomer ( 698504 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @09:29PM (#23442328)
    Just watch a video of him running. Considering how the guy starts off slow and gradually gains amazing advantage (enough to overtake several people in a short time) he should compete in longer distances like 5km. Or even a marathon (may be he'll beat the world record).
  • Re:How unfair... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @09:58PM (#23442532)

    Did you actually read the article? It said that the legs did not give him a mechanical advantage:
    But the ARE performance enhancing. How is that ANY different than someone taking performance enhancing drugs? It isn't. This ruling misses the point. While he's not cheating he's not competing under the same rules as everyone else either. The prosthetics allow him to do things his body cannot naturally do and none of his competitors will have a similar chance to (legally) enhance their performance the same way.

    I wasn't born with legs fast enough to run 400 meters in 45 seconds either even with feet. Yes it sucks to not have two feet but that doesn't mean anyone should get an advantage in getting to the Olympics. Not me and not anyone else.
  • Re:How unfair... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Culture20 ( 968837 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:04PM (#23442572)

    It's pretty clear that a normal athlete with a spring attached to their foot wouldn't be allowed... We have the special olypmics for a reason. I'm sure this guy can win there, and wish him luck in that... but not in the normal olympics.
    I can't wait until the special olympics are outperforming regular olympics, kind of like a super-hero olympics made up of bionic people.
  • Re:How unfair... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:12PM (#23442618)
    I competed in the state championship in this distance (and that would narrow down who I am too much for me, so AC), I can tell you without one doubt this guy has an advantage. Not only the reason you talk about, but more:

    This guy has never had to worry about his shoes coming off, rubbing him wrong, etc. Granted he may have issues that I didn't, but every difference like this is just another reason he isn't like a normal human and that translates to _not_equal_

    Not only that, but I went through HELL running with shin splints. I had a career ending injury to my lower leg. My calfs were usually the sorest part of my body after hard workouts. My heart had to provide blood to all that extra body mass.

    Another difference is easy to see when you find out he runs slower on the curves. While that is somewhat true for others, not as dramatic as this guy. That is the time when you lean and use the muscles in your lower legs to help you make the curve. This is a disadvantage to him, but he easily makes up for it in the straight away.

    When the next guy comes along and he actually has the physical ability without the cheetahs, he will be breaking all the records. Then everyone will realize that this is a bad idea.
  • A wrestling parallel (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zarathud ( 255150 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:12PM (#23442624) Homepage
    A friend of mine wrestled in high school and likes to tell the story about the toughest match he ever had. His opponent was an amputee: one arm missing. This gave him several advantages.
        - his weight class was effectively lowered
        - many moves would became ineffective against him (you can't grab an arm if it isn't there).
        - years of living with one arm had made that arm very, very strong. This combined with the weight class issue meant that his arm was generally absurdly stronger that his opponent's.
        - surprise. Most folks had no experience wrestling a one-armed opponent and were not prepared. It changed the game.

    Of course, there were also disadvantages. Many moves require two arms, and his armless side was a zone he could not reach into. My friend was able to capitalize on this, attacking from the armless side. In the end, my friend won, but not easily.

    All this without prosthetics even.

    Do I think this guy and an unfair advantage? Well no. But it is not an easy situation to analyze.
  • Precedents. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RonTheHurler ( 933160 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:21PM (#23442688)
    There was a guy, back in the 1930s or so (i think) who was an amputee. He had only one leg, and without any prosthetics, he qualified for the olympics, competing against two-legged people and scoring well enough that he could have been a contender for the gold. His sport- the high jump. I'm not making this up.

    Unfortunately, he was disqualified as well. His unfair advantage- less weight to get over the bar, and fewer muscles requiring oxygen.

    Times and public sentiment were different then. I'd bet that today he'd be allowed to compete. Ironic that we had a "crippled" president, but a one-legged man wasn't allowed to be an olympian. But imagine a presidential candidate in a wheelchair today...

  • Re:How unfair... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FleaPlus ( 6935 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:23PM (#23442704) Journal
    Just to emphasize the fact that players have only become interested. No one goes and gets Tommy John surgery without needing it.

    I'm not sure how reliable the info is, but the examples in this NY Times article seem to disagree:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/20/sports/baseball/20surgery.html [nytimes.com]

  • by PottedMeat ( 1158195 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @10:25PM (#23442708)
    This guy should more fully embrace his "differences" and move forward rather than aspiring to compete with normal humans.

    That said, it's time for the new era of Altered Olympics.

    Unrestricted use of technology, implants, body mods, anything goes!

    Unrestricted drug use and doping!

    I want to see a tweaked-to-the-max behemoth of a man, who's pounded his body with "roids" for four years, doing a 1500 lb cling and jerk. (The crowds really roar when the bones snap!)

    I want to watch cyber-limbed athletes hitting their meth pipes and throwing them into the crowds before performing a stunning decathlon!

    The possibilities? Endless! The ratings? Through the roof!

    ;)

    PM
  • by YrWrstNtmr ( 564987 ) on Friday May 16, 2008 @11:07PM (#23442890)
    if he's not already running circles around everyone I fail to see the advantage,

    He's not running circles around everyone else, because the rest of his body isn't up to it.
    What if we put cybernetic legs on the current second or third place dude? Might he then be the world record holder, solely because of the artificial legs?
  • by Reziac ( 43301 ) * on Saturday May 17, 2008 @01:15AM (#23443504) Homepage Journal
    And how long is it before some otherwise-healthy person has their legs amputated so they too can be a spring-loaded sprinter, because they feel that will give them that final edge they need to make the Olympics?

    Don't think it won't happen. Obsessed athletes are among the absolute worst for ignoring long-term consequences in favour of short-term goals.

  • by Reziac ( 43301 ) * on Saturday May 17, 2008 @01:23AM (#23443536) Homepage Journal
    When I was in the 9th grade, a wheelchair basketball team gave a demo at our school, then played a regular game against our team -- who were damned good for junior-high kids, in fact they'd *beaten* a pretty good *high school* junior-varsity team.

    Despite which, the wheelchair team thoroughly trounced our able-bodied team.

  • by JonathanBoyd ( 644397 ) on Saturday May 17, 2008 @06:39AM (#23444554) Homepage
    Oh please. This isn't a human rights issue; it's an issue of what a competition is about. If you're so keen for the handicapped to compete in able-bodied sports, why not the other way round? Because it wouldn't be fair, right? Well this is just applying the same criteria. Handicapped people are in no way being separated from society; everyone is being given the opportunity to compete in a competition where no-one has an advantage by virtue of having been born with or without certain bits of their body. In fact, if you're saying that a competition doesn't really count unless it involves able-bodied people, what are you saying about the value of handicapped competition and by implication the value of handicapped people?
  • LPGA women can compete with the PGA men, but not vice-a-versa? Who came up with this nonsense? Same for the female hockey goalie playing in the NHL, but I presume no men allowed to play in the women's league.

    Once you hear of something like this it is time to find your sports fix elsewhere. This is really more of a political correctness / "we are all equal but some of us are more equal than others" movement than a sports one.

    It all comes back to one group wanting a one-way advantage over another. This furthers the "minority" advantage everywhere, tilting the playing field even more toward pig rule. P.C. = irony challenged.

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