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NASA Space Technology

NASA Wants to Take the Blast Out of Sonic Booms 187

coondoggie writes to tell us that NASA and JAXA (the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) have announced a partnership to study the sonic boom. Hoping to find the key to the next generation of supersonic aircraft, the research will include a look at JAXA's "Silent Supersonic Technology Demonstration Program." "The change in air pressure associated with a sonic boom is only a few pounds per square foot -- about the same pressure change experienced riding an elevator down two or three floors. It is the rate of change, the sudden onset of the pressure change, that makes the sonic boom audible, NASA said. All aircraft generate two cones, at the nose and at the tail. They are usually of similar strength and the time interval between the two as they reach the ground is primarily dependent on the size of the aircraft and its altitude. Most people on the ground cannot distinguish between the two and they are usually heard as a single sonic boom. Sonic booms created by vehicles the size and mass of the space shuttle are very distinguishable and two distinct booms are easily heard."
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NASA Wants to Take the Blast Out of Sonic Booms

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  • by emagery ( 914122 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @05:57PM (#23355846)
    They've been working on this for a while, actually: See - http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/improvingflight/supersonic_jousting.html [nasa.gov] That particular project was wrapped up.. but maybe the plan to expound upon it =)
  • by mbone ( 558574 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @06:35PM (#23356192)
    I was being sloppy. An acceleration of 2 g's for 10 minutes or so would suffice. It's just, once you get going, the engine turns off.

    In orbital dynamics, it's often called an impulse, as you are not powered most of the time, compared to powered flight, which requires constant thrust.

    One thing that might be a problem is that you probably wouldn't be able to leave your seat the whole time. Maybe they would put depends in with the barf bags.

  • Re:Carefully (Score:5, Informative)

    by rcw-work ( 30090 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @07:08PM (#23356464)

    But if you can go that fast, why bother with a compressor, aside from using it to accelerate for takeoff? Just use a ramjet, no moving parts, who cares how fast it goes (as long as you can still get the fuel mixed into the air before it's out the back.)

    Jet turbines and ramjets share the same problem - they are only capable of subsonic combustion and must slow the supersonic airflow before they can burn fuel in it and reaccelerate it. Thus the recent experiments with scramjets (supersonic combustion ramjets). They aren't ready for use yet.

  • by onkelonkel ( 560274 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @07:15PM (#23356518)
    You seem to be labouring under the common misconception that a sonic boom is caused when an object "breaks the sound barrier". As long as an object is moving through the air at greater than the speed of sound it will create a shock wave (cone shaped, think of a boat wake rotated in 3-d) behind it. As the object flies by you, the shock wave passes you and you hear the "sonic boom" So the answer is yes, bullets have a sonic boom.
  • by Skeptical1 ( 823232 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @07:32PM (#23356672)
    Blurb said pounds/square FOOT. About a factor of 144.
  • Re:Carefully (Score:5, Informative)

    by AikonMGB ( 1013995 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @07:33PM (#23356698) Homepage

    Couple of problems with this.. First, the internal surfaces of a divergent (subsonic) duct experience adverse pressure gradients. This means you need to very gradually increase the duct area in order to prevent flow separation. Subsequently, you would need an extremely long duct to achieve an appreciable reduction in flow velocity, all of which is subject to friction and viscous drag. All in all, not good.

    The second major problem with this is that a divergent duct in supersonic flow actually increases the flow velocity. You may notice in engines that possess a throat (i.e. the exhaust stream is supersonic), the duct area increases, accelerating the flow (take rocket engines for example). In order to slow down supersonic flow, you need a converging duct.

    Aside from that, a couple other points.. shockwaves don't make flow turbulent. In fact, nearly all flow through a jet engine is turbulent, as opposed to laminar. This is actually desirable in most cases, because although turbulent flow causes an increase in skin friction drag, it is highly beneficial in delaying flow separation, which is very bad in most cases.

    Finally, with respect to the ramjet, there are some serious issues still to overcome, especially for slower speeds. First and foremost, it can generate no static thrust, meaning you need an alternative means for propulsion to get your bird off the ground. This adds weight and takes up volume, both of which are very bad things.

    And as for how fast it goes.. The faster a ramjet travels, the higher the increase in stagnation temperature of the flow. This affects how combustion occurs, and it actually reaches a point that by adding fuel and combustion it, you are cooling off the flow, which is the opposite effect that you desire. This upper limit on speed depends a great deal on the inlet design and the materials used, but in general it is sub-hypersonic (as in hypersonic speeds are too high).

    Work is being done to develop a scramjet (supersonic combusition ramjet), which is essentially the same as a ramjet except that the combustion occurs while the flow is travelling at supersonic velocities (meaning less of an increase in stagnation temperature, less pressure loss, etc.), as well as schramjets [utoronto.ca], which again are similar, however use detonation waves to ignite the fuel/air, reducing profile drag due to burners and flameholders etc.

    I hope this at least answered parts of your questions..

    Aikon-

  • Re:Why NASA? (Score:2, Informative)

    by icebrain ( 944107 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @07:55PM (#23356906)

    Where I see this really opening up possibilities is hypersonic flight (M > 4~5) since the drag drops back down to subsonic levels, making fuel economy on par with the current crop of jet liners.
    I think you're confusing drag with the drag coefficient. The Cd may go down, but total drag is still much higher (since drag is proportional to the square of airspeed.

    Thus the simplified example: assuming constant Cd and TSFC, doubling speed results in four times the drag --> four times the thrust --> four times the fuel consumption (per time unit). Now, you're going twice as far, but burning four times the fuel, and so your effective "MPG" is half that of the slower speed.

    Assuming that Cd does indeed drop back to subsonic levels, we'd need to see incredible TSFC numbers to be viable. I really don't think that'll happen.
  • by icebrain ( 944107 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @08:08PM (#23356986)
    The sound when you fire the gun is from the expansion of the heated gasses after the bullet leaves the barrel. It has nothing to do with the bullet.

    Supersonic bullets (for there are subsonic ones too) make shock waves, just like anything else going supersonic. They do produce a little sonic boom, too. From most accounts that I've read, it sounds like a small "crack!" as said bullet travels by. In order to observe this, I expect that you need to be a nontrivial distance from the gun that fired it, so that the bullet could pass over and leave its boom before the sound from the firing reaches you.

    Public safety announcement: Please, kids, don't try this at home. Intentionally standing anywhere in front of the business end of a gun being fired is a bad idea and makes you a moron at best. Being the idiot on the other end, pointing and firing said gun while a person is there is downright criminal (except in very specific circumstances, like legitimate self-defense). If you must, set a cheap camera or microphone up. I'm all for the private ownership and (responsible) use of firearms... but please don't do something stupid.

    Now you know... and knowing is half the battle.
  • by icebrain ( 944107 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @08:21PM (#23357080)

    You may be correct but I have always heard/believed that the sonic boom was a single event happening as an object passes the speed of sound (and I am a bit of a Discovery chan junky). I have seen planes fly by at greater than the speed of sound and heard no sonic boom, they are loud but not that loud.
    You might watch the Discovery channel, or even stay at the Holiday Inn Express... but I'm an aerospace engineer. GP is right; the boom is not a singular event, but rather it's the perceived sound when the "wake" of the shockwaves passes by the observer.

    Also, how are you sure that the aircraft you claim to have seen were indeed supersonic? I've heard a real one (and many recreated F-18 and Concorde ones in Gulfstream's sonic boom demo trailer), you definitely notice it.
  • by jthegreat ( 1286888 ) on Friday May 09, 2008 @08:29PM (#23357162)
    http://www.gulfstream.com/news/releases/2005/051108d.htm [gulfstream.com] Gulfstream is working on reducing sonic booms. If the decibel level is brought low enough, it could pave the way for supersonic domestic/private flights over US soil.
  • Re:Underwater maybe? (Score:3, Informative)

    by td ( 46763 ) on Saturday May 10, 2008 @12:07AM (#23358340) Homepage
    A few pounds per square foot is a few hundredths of a pound per square inch. 14 psi + 1 lb/sq ft is 14.007 psi.

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