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Stephen Hawking Thinks Aliens Likely 579

OMNIpotusCOM writes "Noted astrophysicist Stephen Hawking thinks that alien life is likely, albeit primitive, according to a lecture delivered at George Washington University in honor of NASA's 50th anniversary. It begs the question of if we need to consider a Prime Directive before exploring or sending signals too far into the depths of space."
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Stephen Hawking Thinks Aliens Likely

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  • No begging (Score:4, Informative)

    by Just Some Guy ( 3352 ) <kirk+slashdot@strauser.com> on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @09:36AM (#23157228) Homepage Journal

    It begs the question of if we need to consider a Prime Directive before exploring or sending signals too far into the depths of space.

    No, it doesn't [begthequestion.info]. There. Got that out of the way.

  • Re:But...but... (Score:5, Informative)

    by aug24 ( 38229 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @09:47AM (#23157400) Homepage
    Not to mention a blatant physics error*, good on him, give him a /. gold star ;-)

    Justin.
    * "sending signals too far into the depths of space" - see 'inverse square law' and 'size of solar system', not to mention 'microwave background'
  • Re:No begging (Score:1, Informative)

    by wile_e_wonka ( 934864 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @09:50AM (#23157442)
    Popular, but incorrect usage. Sort of like saying "I bough a soda for my wife and I." It's used quite regularly, but it's still wrong (should be "I bought a soda for me and my wife."
  • by eebra82 ( 907996 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @09:52AM (#23157468) Homepage
    Stephen Hawking is a brilliant man who once claimed to be fortunate to suffer from ALS, because it gives him far more time to think and do things that normal people would instead spend on other activities (because they can).

    The only problem I have with his statements at GWU is that he is focusing too much on radio waves. He is speculating that since we haven't detected any radio waves, it is unlikely that any intelligent civilization exists close to earth (and by close, I mean in astronomical measures).

    In my opinion, scientists are taking too much for granted when looking for life. We assume that it is more likely to find life wherever water exists and we constantly assume that the conditions must be earth-like. And regarding the radio waves, I don't understand why an extraterrestrial civilization would even need to use such technology. It is just as likely that they communicate in entirely different ways. After all, hearing and seeing is just one way of living, but not a necessity.

    I realize that radio waves occur from more than just television shows, but this is mainly the type of signals we look for since the odds of intended communications from other planets are insanely small.
  • Noted? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Stooshie ( 993666 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @09:57AM (#23157548) Journal

    Noted astrophysicist, Stephen Hawking ...

    Ahem, I suspect he is a little more tha noted. He holds the same chair as Sir Isaac Newton did at Cambridge University, worked out how black holes work and is probably the most famous scientist in the world. Even the article [yahoo.com] says:

    Famed astrophysicist Stephen Hawking ...
  • by JohnFluxx ( 413620 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @10:06AM (#23157676)
    > Travelling faster than the speed of light is, after all, just as impossible as time travel

    Travelling faster than the speed of light is pretty much the same thing as time travel. If you could travel faster than the speed of light, then you could time travel.
  • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @10:13AM (#23157792) Journal
    Was there a planet that Kirk/Picard/Janeway didn't leave in a fundamentally different state after turning up?


    Yes. Two episodes of TNG come to mind and they illustrate the Prime Directive. I don't know the names of the episodes (and too lazy to look them up) but here are their descriptions.

    The first involved Riker being found out while on a mission to make contact with a civilization that was beginning space exploration. The actress who played Lillith is the female doctor who realizes what he is and wants to hump him at every opportunity (no argument from me). In the end, Picard meets with their leader and is asked not to return until the people are ready for the fact that there are other beings in the universe.

    The second involves Deanna's mother and her infatuation with David Ogden Stiers (Charles Emerson Winchester III). On his planet, when people reach a certain age, they are required to commit suicide. Deanna's mother can't come to grips with this and begs him not to go through with it. She even asks for Picard to offer him asylum. Picard refuses and things go on.

    In both cases, while contact had been made, the balance of the civilizations was not upset. One could argue that in the first case, the fact that certain people knew about these visitors fundamentally changed things but since only a select few knew, the general populace went about their business none the wiser.

    Personally, I think those two episodes, along with the one where Picard has to convince a group of pre-industrial people he is not a god despite his "powers", are the three episodes which best illustrate the Prime Directive and some of its permutations.

  • by JustinOpinion ( 1246824 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @10:16AM (#23157836)

    It is nevertheless still entirely possible, however unlikely, that our own civilization might actually be the only one in the whole universe.
    We certainly don't know for sure yet. But, if the universe is infinite (our current best measurements indicate that the universe is flat [wikipedia.org] and infinite), and if the initial conditions were ergodic [wikipedia.org] (which is indeed the prediction of our best model, inflation [wikipedia.org], and is consistent with the data, e.g. the microwave background [wikipedia.org]), then there are an infinite number of causally-disconnected Hubble volumes [wikipedia.org], which essentially guarantees that life exists at multiple locations in the universe.

    What this means is that in an infinite universe that has totally random initial conditions, every possible state will be realized somewhere. That means that somewhere in the universe, conditions very similar to our local conditions will be realized. Not only does this mathematically guarantee that life exists somwhere, but also that "copies" of Earth and you and me exist somewhere. All possible variants of matter organization are realized somewhere in the infinite universe (and in fact may be repeated over and over). Of course, the distances over which you will see a repeat may be fantastically large (much, much larger than the observable universe, for instance). Also, life-forms in causally-disconnected volumes can never communicate with each other. (So you may say... who cares?)

    In any case, it's not known with certainty that the universe is infinite (or that the big bang was ergodic)... but our current theories allow for models where the multiple emergence of life (and all physically reasonable variants) is in fact mathematically guaranteed. Kinda interesting.
  • Re:No begging (Score:4, Informative)

    by belloc ( 37430 ) <belloc@latinmaiO ... inus threevowels> on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @10:29AM (#23158070) Homepage
    But "that begs the question" is close to "that 'begets' the question," which does mean "that raises/invites the question."

    This usage of 'begets' was somewhat common in 18th c. English. Take a look at Hume, Enquiry, sec. XII, pgh. 2 [eserver.org]

    Belloc
  • Re:No begging (Score:2, Informative)

    by Hal_Porter ( 817932 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @11:45AM (#23159176)
    If you're scrolling though this, don't worry. There are only another two to three pages of posts about "begging the question". Keep scrolling, don't lose heart. It's not that far.

  • Re:No begging (Score:2, Informative)

    by ajs ( 35943 ) <{ajs} {at} {ajs.com}> on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @11:55AM (#23159328) Homepage Journal

    It begs the question...

    No, it doesn't [begthequestion.info]. There. Got that out of the way.

    Yes it does. What's more, since it's a fair bet that everyone reading that knew exactly what was meant, and that many did not know the Aristotelian or modern meaning related to the construction of logical arguments, it's safe to say that the language has simply changed.

    Welcome to the 21st century. You can pick up your curmudgeon name-tag on the 3rd table to the left.

  • Re:But...but... (Score:3, Informative)

    by 1u3hr ( 530656 ) on Tuesday April 22, 2008 @12:20PM (#23159668)
    But...but...the sumbitter managed to insert a spurious Star Trek reference!!! Surely that is newsworthy!

    And an incorrect usage of "begs [skepdic.com] the question" [begthequestion.info].

    (I assume "sumbitter" is deliberate -- seems to be somehow more descriptive of many articles.)

  • by hazydave ( 96747 ) on Wednesday April 23, 2008 @05:21PM (#23176214)
    How long will it be 'til the FCC requires that these signals be compressed? For digital TV? I'd say about ten years ago, or whenever it was precisely that the "Grand Alliance" got together with the FCC and officially released the ATSC specification. Digital TV is compressed, typically close to 100:1 over the "raw" digital signal (eg, what's coming out of your HDMI cable). Sure, they could do 2x-3x better today using more modern compression and transmission standards, but it'll probably be awhile before they do, OTA (satellite is into AVC vs. MPEG-2 already, which gets you that 2x-3x additional compression at unit quality).

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